Gamecube titles score higher than Xbox's in 2003!

[no.1gamer]

Well once again the GCN has managed to out due itself. In the calendar year of 2003 there has been 3 exclusive games released for the GCN which have scored higher than 90% at gamerankings.com. Those games are Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, F-Zero GX and Viewtiful Joe. The pathetic Xbox has only managed to produce 1 exclusive game this year that has scored higher than 90%. Panzer Dragoon Orta, which was released back in January of this year barely makes the cut with a 90.6%. Perhaps the reason some of the Xbots around here have been cranky lately is because they haven't had a quality AAA exclusive for their gaming system of choice in almost 10 months? They continue to ramble on and on about Xbox live and other games that did not score as high as the previously mentioned games. Sorry, but the facts are right here my friends! The GCN has once again released better software than the Xbox!

And for the final blow against the Xbox the GCN will release the next installment of a little series known as Super Mario Kart! This game currently has 94.6% at gamerankings.com but because it will not be released to the public until next week I did not include it in my list above. The funniest aspect of this is that during E3 2003 all the Xbots attacked Nintendo for only unveiling a Mario Kart game. They tried to convince everyone that the Xbox had a better showing than the GCN. Well, fast-forward several months and I am now reading rave reviews of Mario Kart: Double Dash!! In fact I have heard on more than 1 occasion from more than 1 source that Mario Kart is the most exciting game this holiday season! Well let me ask you a question Xbots!!! Where are all your games that gave M$ such a killer showing at E3? All I hear about from you guys is games that will not even be released this year! Why are you so excited about games that do not even have release dates yet? These games are still being developed so you really shouldn't embarrass yourselves when there is a chance that they might not turn out very well. Sorry Xbots you loose to the Gamecube again.

[folken001]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well once again the GCN has managed to out due itself. In the calendar year of 2003 there has been 3 exclusive games released for the GCN which have scored higher than 90% at gamerankings.com. Those games are Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, F-Zero GX and Viewtiful Joe. The pathetic Xbox has only managed to produce 1 exclusive game this year that has scored higher than 90%. Panzer Dragoon Orta, which was released back in January of this year barely makes the cut with a 90.6%. Perhaps the reason some of the Xbots around here have been cranky lately is because they haven't had a quality AAA exclusive for their gaming system of choice in almost 10 months? They continue to ramble on and on about Xbox live and other games that did not score as high as the previously mentioned games. Sorry, but the facts are right here my friends! The GCN has once again released better software than the Xbox!

And for the final blow against the Xbox the GCN will release the next installment of a little series known as Super Mario Kart! This game currently has 94.6% at gamerankings.com but because it will not be released to the public until next week I did not include it in my list above. The funniest aspect of this is that during E3 2003 all the Xbots attacked Nintendo for only unveiling a Mario Kart game. They tried to convince everyone that the Xbox had a better showing than the GCN. Well, fast-forward several months and I am now reading rave reviews of Mario Kart: Double Dash!! In fact I have heard on more than 1 occasion from more than 1 source that Mario Kart is the most exciting game this holiday season! Well let me ask you a question Xbots!!! Where are all your games that gave M$ such a killer showing at E3? All I hear about from you guys is games that will not even be released this year! Why are you so excited about games that do not even have release dates yet? These games are still being developed so you really shouldn't embarrass yourselves when there is a chance that they might not turn out very well. Sorry Xbots you loose to the Gamecube again.</div>

What do you expect? All Xbox has is FPS really. GT4 on PS2 is just going to destory almost all the racing titles on Xbox once again. :)

Halo is long gone, yet xbots are still talking about it like it came out yesterday. Just when you think they are going to be quiet about it, but nooooooo....Halo 2 is going to be out soon. (well, not soon, but they will once again talk about it restless)

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well once again the GCN has managed to out due itself. In the calendar year of 2003 there has been 3 exclusive games released for the GCN which have scored higher than 90% at gamerankings.com. Those games are Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, F-Zero GX and Viewtiful Joe. The pathetic Xbox has only managed to produce 1 exclusive game this year that has scored higher than 90%. Panzer Dragoon Orta, which was released back in January of this year barely makes the cut with a 90.6%. Perhaps the reason some of the Xbots around here have been cranky lately is because they haven't had a quality AAA exclusive for their gaming system of choice in almost 10 months? They continue to ramble on and on about Xbox live and other games that did not score as high as the previously mentioned games. Sorry, but the facts are right here my friends! The GCN has once again released better software than the Xbox!

And for the final blow against the Xbox the GCN will release the next installment of a little series known as Super Mario Kart! This game currently has 94.6% at gamerankings.com but because it will not be released to the public until next week I did not include it in my list above. The funniest aspect of this is that during E3 2003 all the Xbots attacked Nintendo for only unveiling a Mario Kart game. They tried to convince everyone that the Xbox had a better showing than the GCN. Well, fast-forward several months and I am now reading rave reviews of Mario Kart: Double Dash!! In fact I have heard on more than 1 occasion from more than 1 source that Mario Kart is the most exciting game this holiday season! Well let me ask you a question Xbots!!! Where are all your games that gave M$ such a killer showing at E3? All I hear about from you guys is games that will not even be released this year! Why are you so excited about games that do not even have release dates yet? These games are still being developed so you really shouldn't embarrass yourselves when there is a chance that they might not turn out very well. Sorry Xbots you loose to the Gamecube again.</div>


Hey dummy why not get your facts straight before spewing this crap.

KOTOR---94%---sure you will be able to get it for PC, but not on your GC
Topspin---90%---that's right I guess tennis games don't count
Rainbow Six---90%---this one is exclusive for now too
Crimson Skies---90%---one of the few games that I can think of that is acttually UNDERRATED at 90%

Not to mention that three of those have come out in the last three weeks.

Now these are high quality too, but not quite over 90%

ESPN Hoops---88%---available on PS2, but sadly not to be found on GC
ESPN Football---89%---see above
ESPN---Hockey---87%---see above
MOTO GP2---87%---another quality exclusive

Well there you go Gamer you enjoy your one good exclusive per quarter, and I will enjoy all of these.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

If those GC games are so good why aren't people with GC even playing them? If GC is ahead in the US in hardware sales, then why is completely trounced month after month in software sales by the XBOX. Why does the XBOX now tie the mighty mighty PS2 in games in the TOP 10 sales, with 4. The only Nintendo games in the top 10 are usually handheld games. So this must mean those highly ranked GC games are a little overrated. People rush out to buy them, foolishly believing those rankings, find out the truth and word of mouth spreads and people stop buying the game.
Who is still playing Legend of Zelda? People are still playing Wolfenstein, why because of LIVE, because of value. GC had a horrible year, they had to halt production on the console, then they had to drop the price to under $100, which did work to move units. But they are shedding 3rd party developers like mad, because they can't do the one important thing that matters more than review scores, they can't get people to buy their games.
And your facts are all wrong, about games ranked above 90%. But i'm not even going to go into review rankings, where TopSpin, Crimson, Kotor, R6, did do above 90, and we don't even want to extend that list down to games that did above 85%. The sales speak for themselves. Wolfenstein a sales hit, Brute Force a sales hit, KOTOR a sales hit, Crimson Skies thus far a hit, ditto for Rainbow6. You brag about one, sole upcoming GC exclusive, while you enjoy one game, we get Counter Strike, SegaGT, PGR2 all before the end of November. XBOX is doo-dooin all over your fall lineup. Fall back.

[The Buzz]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well once again the GCN has managed to out due itself. In the calendar year of 2003 there has been 3 exclusive games released for the GCN which have scored higher than 90% at gamerankings.com. Those games are Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, F-Zero GX and Viewtiful Joe. The pathetic Xbox has only managed to produce 1 exclusive game this year that has scored higher than 90%. Panzer Dragoon Orta, which was released back in January of this year barely makes the cut with a 90.6%. Perhaps the reason some of the Xbots around here have been cranky lately is because they haven't had a quality AAA exclusive for their gaming system of choice in almost 10 months? They continue to ramble on and on about Xbox live and other games that did not score as high as the previously mentioned games. Sorry, but the facts are right here my friends! The GCN has once again released better software than the Xbox!

And for the final blow against the Xbox the GCN will release the next installment of a little series known as Super Mario Kart! This game currently has 94.6% at gamerankings.com but because it will not be released to the public until next week I did not include it in my list above. The funniest aspect of this is that during E3 2003 all the Xbots attacked Nintendo for only unveiling a Mario Kart game. They tried to convince everyone that the Xbox had a better showing than the GCN. Well, fast-forward several months and I am now reading rave reviews of Mario Kart: Double Dash!! In fact I have heard on more than 1 occasion from more than 1 source that Mario Kart is the most exciting game this holiday season! Well let me ask you a question Xbots!!! Where are all your games that gave M$ such a killer showing at E3? All I hear about from you guys is games that will not even be released this year! Why are you so excited about games that do not even have release dates yet? These games are still being developed so you really shouldn't embarrass yourselves when there is a chance that they might not turn out very well. Sorry Xbots you loose to the Gamecube again.</div>



Why are you so hung up on the "quality <b>exclusive</b> game" thing anyway? "Top quality" is all in the eyes of the <b>individual</b> gamer anyway.

If I want the best version of a "cross console" game I'll get the Xbox version 90% of the time. There's one hell of a lot more "quality" cross console games out there than first party games anyway.

Another "Mario Kart" Game? WHOOPIE! The most exciting game this holiday season? Maybe if you're <b>ten!</b> Most older gamers would only have a passing interest in a new Mario Kart game. I still have Mario Kart 64 from a few years ago and that's enough to fill my "Kart" needs if need be.
If I was a kid it might be a different story and that's what Nintendo is counting on.

[no.1gamer]

Well if you just go to gamerankings.com you will see that Topspin (89.5), Rainbow six 3 (89.6) and Crimson Skies (89.6) all score below 90%! I'm not saying that these are bad games by any means as those are some d@mn respectable scores. However they just come up short of the 90% mark. Meaning these games do not receive "grade A" but instead "grade B." You can argue that they are underrated or they only missed the 90% mark by a small margin, but the fact is that a grade A T bone steak is better than grade B ground beef. A grade B on your report card gives you a slap on the back from your classmates when a grade A grants you scholarship money. And while I'm enjoying my 3 exclusive grade A games from this year on my GCN you are only enjoying 1 on your Xbox. Sorry.

And Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is not an exclusive Xbox game. I can play this game and I don't have an Xbox therefore it is NOT exclusive to the Xbox. If I want to play Panzer Dragoon Orta on the other hand I would simply have to go buy an Xbox. I hope that clears up your confusion about the term exclusive.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

I'll bet the GC games didn't SELL as well as the Xbox games!

And Folkie, it's sad all PS2 has for racing is GT4, how many of you still play GT3?(crickets) yea, that's what i thought.

[trebor]

Wow. A lot of you Xboyz® are pretty defensive in this thread. Sometimes the truth hurts though, don't it?

Couple points of interest...

#1 - Nintendo is the # 2 top selling software developer this year, right behind EA.

#2 - If a title is exclusive that means its available for one platform and one platform only. KotOR is NOT exclusive. Halo is NOT exclusive. Sorry folks, but, PC's (and Japan) exist.

#3 - The new Mario Kart will be the biggest selling title this holiday season.

ta ta

[Gadfly2317]

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Why are you so hung up on the "quality <b>exclusive</b> game" thing anyway? "Top quality" is all in the eyes of the <b>individual</b> gamer anyway.

If I want the best version of a "cross console" game I'll get the Xbox version 90% of the time. There's one hell of a lot more "quality" cross console games out there than first party games anyway.

Another "Mario Kart" Game? WHOOPIE! The most exciting game this holiday season? Maybe if you're <b>ten!</b> Most older gamers would only have a passing interest in a new Mario Kart game. I still have Mario Kart 64 from a few years ago and that's enough to fill my "Kart" needs if need be.
If I was a kid it might be a different story and that's what Nintendo is counting on.</div>


I can guarantee you older gamers are more excited about this Mario Kart then ten year olds who have no sense of gaming history, and no long term fondness for this game. Every adult gamer I know is into this game, even the ones that don't yet own a gamecube, and all the pimply game junkies working at the game stores I've visited with are totally stoked about Mario Kart. It is no doubt going to be the most fun game released this fall.

[The Buzz]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Wow. A lot of you Xboyz® are pretty defensive in this thread. Sometimes the truth hurts though, don't it?

Couple points of interest...

#1 - Nintendo is the # 2 top selling software developer this year, right behind EA.

#2 - If a title is exclusive that means its available for one platform and one platform only. KotOR is NOT exclusive. Halo is NOT exclusive. Sorry folks, but, PC's (and Japan) exist.

#3 - The new Mario Kart will be the biggest selling title this holiday season.

ta ta</div>

Even if a game is available for PC it can still be exclusive to only "one" console...therefore if it's available for PC and Xbox "only" as far as "consoles" are concerned then it's an Xbox "only" <b>console</b> exclusive

Why is that SO hard for some people to understand?

[Gadfly2317]

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What do you expect? All Xbox has is FPS really. GT4 on PS2 is just going to destory almost all the racing titles on Xbox once again. :)

Halo is long gone, yet xbots are still talking about it like it came out yesterday. Just when you think they are going to be quiet about it, but nooooooo....Halo 2 is going to be out soon. (well, not soon, but they will once again talk about it restless)</div>


GT4 might turn out to be the best racing game on earth, but it is just one game. How is this going to be different than GT3?

Hands down, the Xbox kicks Ps2 in racing. The sheer number of high quality racing games puts it over the PS2 as a racer's console. Not to mention the games look better, have a better controller for racing, have custom soundtracks, and many are online. The variety of racing challenges is unbeatable---from hardcore sims like Mercedez-Benz racing, bikes in Moto GP 1 & 2, a killer rally game in Rally Sport Challenge, and the best versions of intense arcade style racing like Need for Speed: Underground. There is no doubt that the Xbox is racers paradise.

And frankly, even the GC--F-Zero and Mario Kart are racing games that I'm more enthusiastic about than another GT game that barely shakes up its tired old formula.

[trebor]

Even if a game is available for PC it can still be exclusive to only "one" console...therefore if it's available for PC and Xbox "only" as far as "consoles" are concerned then it's an Xbox "only" console exclusive

Why is that SO hard for some people to understand?

Jeez that is a lame answer. Here is a simple test to determine if a game is exclusive or not...

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play Halo?

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play KotOR?

The answer is YES YOU CAN.

Whereas...

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play MK-DD?

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play Metroid Prime?

The answer is NO YOU CAN'T.

There you have it - a simple test to determine game exclusivity.

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well if you just go to gamerankings.com you will see that Topspin (89.5), Rainbow six 3 (89.6) and Crimson Skies (89.6) all score below 90%! I'm not saying that these are bad games by any means as those are some d@mn respectable scores. However they just come up short of the 90% mark. Meaning these games do not receive "grade A" but instead "grade B." You can argue that they are underrated or they only missed the 90% mark by a small margin, but the fact is that a grade A T bone steak is better than grade B ground beef. A grade B on your report card gives you a slap on the back from your classmates when a grade A grants you scholarship money. And while I'm enjoying my 3 exclusive grade A games from this year on my GCN you are only enjoying 1 on your Xbox. Sorry.

And Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is not an exclusive Xbox game. I can play this game and I don't have an Xbox therefore it is NOT exclusive to the Xbox. If I want to play Panzer Dragoon Orta on the other hand I would simply have to go buy an Xbox. I hope that clears up your confusion about the term exclusive.</div>


I simply cannot believe that I am going to quibble over .5 here and .5 there, but if you click on Crimson Skies on Gamerankings you will see that it has a 90% ranking in parenthesis. I guess that they round the score. Too bad so sad Gamer. As far as your little thesis on exclusivity---thanks but no thanks. I realize that the ESPN games and KOTOR are not exclusive to the Xbox, but I was only comparing Xbox with Gamecube which I think any reasonable person would assume was the point of your thread. Afterall just look at the title of your post. Sorry Gamer.

[tekbit]

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Halo is long gone, yet xbots are still talking about it like it came out yesterday. Just when you think they are going to be quiet about it, but nooooooo....Halo 2 is going to be out soon. (well, not soon, but they will once again talk about it restless)</div>

I wonder what would happen if Halo 2 were to fall short... Oh imagine the public outrage among Xbots. Where would they turn to then. At least the Gay cubers have Link to fall back on if Mario fails :p .(Just kidding)

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Jeez that is a lame answer. Here is a simple test to determine if a game is exclusive or not...

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play Halo?

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play KotOR?

The answer is YES YOU CAN.

Whereas...

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play MK-DD?

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play Metroid Prime?

The answer is NO YOU CAN'T.

There you have it - a simple test to determine game exclusivity.</div>

Thanks professor, but here is a simple test for you.
What is the title of this post? That's right it is a GC vs. Xbox post.
Can you play Halo, KOTOR, the ESPN titles on a GC? That's right you cannot.
Is using these titles in the context of this post appropriate? I tend to think so.

[Gadfly2317]

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Thanks professor, but here is a simple test for you.
What is the title of this post? That's right it is a GC vs. Xbox post.
Can you play Halo, KOTOR, the ESPN titles on a GC? That's right you cannot.
Is using these titles in the context of this post appropriate? I tend to think so.</div>


Going back to the original post, the context here is GC exclusives Vs. Xbox exclusives. Whether or not you can play KOTOR on the GC is irrellevent. You can't make your point without trying to re-define exclusivity because the simple fact is, there are more high quality true exclusives on GC.

Which is a pretty small point of bragging rights. You should just concede the point, and talk about how wonderful it is to get pretty good versions of PC games to choose from in the xbox library. They just have two very different types of Libraries.

[trebor]

Thanks professor, but here is a simple test for you.
What is the title of this post? That's right it is a GC vs. Xbox post.
Can you play Halo, KOTOR, the ESPN titles on a GC? That's right you cannot.
Is using these titles in the context of this post appropriate? I tend to think so.

Ha. I knew that if I wrote a highly sarcastic thing against the Xbox, you would pipe up.

Well, good sir, if you would be goodly enough to read the initial post more carefully, g@mer is referring to top scoring exclusive titles between GC and Xbox.

So is reiterating the difference between an actual exclusive title, like Mario Kart, and a non-exclusive title, like KotOR relevant to this thread? You bet.

Is bringing up non-exclusive titles in a thread that is talking about exclusive titles really necessary? Not so much.

[The Prince of Darkness]

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Going back to the original post, the context here is GC exclusives Vs. Xbox exclusives. Whether or not you can play KOTOR on the GC is irrellevent. You can't make your point without trying to re-define exclusivity because the simple fact is, there are more high quality true exclusives on GC.

Which is a pretty small point of bragging rights. You should just concede the point, and talk about how wonderful it is to get pretty good versions of PC games to choose from in the xbox library. They just have two very different types of Libraries.</div>

Granted. I will go back to my original point about the three high quality Xbox exclusives that are all hovering around the 90% range. I will also express that it is even more impressive considering they all came out in a three week span.

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Ha. I knew that if I wrote a highly sarcastic thing against the Xbox, you would pipe up.

Well, good sir, if you would be goodly enough to read the initial post more carefully, g@mer is referring to top scoring exclusive titles between GC and Xbox.

So is reiterating the difference between an actual exclusive title, like Mario Kart, and a non-exclusive title, like KotOR relevant to this thread? You bet.

Is bringing up non-exclusive titles in a thread that is talking about exclusive titles really necessary? Not so much.</div>

Well it is certainly an incredibly nitpicky thread, but you are right. I bow my head in shame and rest my case on the three quality Xbox exclusives that all show up at exactly 90% when you click on the actual title on Gamerankings. All of them out within a three week span. Very impressive indeed.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

If Halo 2 makes it out before the holidays you can bet your noodles that it will outsell Mario Kart.

[no.1gamer]

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I wonder what would happen if Halo 2 were to fall short... Oh imagine the public outrage among Xbots. Where would they turn to then. At least the Gay cubers have Link to fall back on if Mario fails :p .(Just kidding)</div>

That's a d@mn good point tekbit! I really think that Halo 2 will come up short! I'm not saying that it'll be a bad game by any means but what aspect of the FPS genre can Halo 2 improve upon? Halo 2 must keep all the aspects as its predecessor such as LAN play, co-op play and the like. It also must have as good or better graphics than the original (including bump mapping) and also support Xbox Live to keep fans happy. Unfortunately if the game has a frame rate similar to Halo it will not fair so well. The Xbox hardware is not all-powerful, I'm afraid. The frame rate bar has been raised significantly during the last 2 years and 30 fps with frequent dips just will not cut it anymore! I'm not saying that Halo 2 will be a bad game but just that it might not live up to expectations.

And for those of you about to accuse me of getting off topic, this game actually does apply to the subject of my thread. You all claimed that this game helped M$ have a more impressive E3 showing than Nintendo this year. Well where is your Halo 2 now Xbots? You won't be playing it this year I'm afraid. In fact you very well might not be playing it until after E3 2004! But please continue to humor me by bragging about a game that is still deep in the development phase. And where are the rest of your games you've bragging about since E3 2003? Perhaps once they appear the Xbox will be able to compete with the GCNs recent increase in sales. I'm waiting…

[The Prince of Darkness]

" And where are the rest of your games you've bragging about since E3 2003? Perhaps once they appear the Xbox will be able to compete with the GCNs recent increase in sales. I'm waiting…"[/QUOTE]</div>

Or perhaps once the Xbox follows suit with a price drop it will compete with the GC's increase in sales. You guys just keep telling yourselves that GC sales have increased because of the game lineup, and I will keep thinking that this sales increase"magically" occurred as soon as the price went down.

[trebor]

Well it is certainly an incredibly nitpicky thread, but you are right. I bow my head in shame and rest my case on the three quality Xbox exclusives that all show up at exactly 90% when you click on the actual title on Gamerankings. All of them out within a three week span. Very impressive indeed.

So it's impressive that the three well received Xbox exclusives all show up recently within a three week span? So, in other words, it took almost 10.5 months, this year, to get some decent exclusive titles for your Xbox. Not too impressive.

[trebor]

If Halo 2 makes it out before the holidays you can bet your noodles that it will outsell Mario Kart.

Pffft. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 2 gets delayed until 4th Quarter 2004.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed Halo 2 until the Xbox 2 launch, so M$ has a reason for you suckers to buy the console. Keep in mind, Halo was in development in 1999 and it didn't come out until 2001.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

If no one is buying GC games, why brag about them? If GC has the same hardware base in the US as XBOX, why doesn't it have the same number of titles in the top10 and top20 month over month. The fact that Nintendo is the number 2 developer is a boon to Nintendo, but that is no boon for 2nd and 3rd party developers who can't sell anything on the platform. We all know Nintendo is going to sell Mario and Link games like crazy, the problem is nobody else can sell anything. And also, those Nintendo games are not selling near the numbers predicted by Nintendo, remember Mario was going to sell 10 million units worldwide, they didn't get 3.
Here is what you don't get, you buy your only 3 good games on the Gamecube, you get about 30 hours of individual enjoyment out of those games, and then they are coasters. I still laugh remembering people saying, "...I can get replay value from Zelda by going back and collecting all the hearts I missed." This is a pretty sad way to get replay value from a game. So you can take a PS2 90%, and a GC 90%, but i'll take an XBOX over them both. I'll still be playing the 87% rated MotoGP2 which came out earlier this year, long after you are done playing MarioKart and any other GC game that releases this fall. See, "It's fun to play together." So, if you can't tell by now, ratings may predict whether a game is good, but they can't predict how much goodness and value a title is going to give you overtime. Would you rather have a game rated 100% that only gave u 10 hours of playability. Or a game rated 87% that gave you a whole years worth of play.

[trebor]

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Or perhaps once the Xbox follows suit with a price drop it will compete with the GC's increase in sales. You guys just keep telling yourselves that GC sales have increased because of the game lineup, and I will keep thinking that this sales increase "magically" occurred as soon as the price went down.

Who in the world thinks the GC sales increase isn't a result of the price drop? Does it matter?

What is funny is the Xboyz® denial of which system is set up for success during the holiday season. The $99 GC with Mario Kart imminent or a $179.99 Xbox bundle with two worthless games and two worthless "free" months of Xbox Live - which you need to purchase a Xbox Live "starter" kit to utilize.

What Xbox titles are being released this holiday season that are as highly anticpated as Mario Kart?

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">So it's impressive that the three well received Xbox exclusives all show up recently within a three week span? So, in other words, it took almost 10.5 months, this year, to get some decent exclusive titles for your Xbox. Not too impressive.</div>


Yup and you get one every 3-4 months. You say potato and I say potatoe. Face it Trebor---the GC has three exclusives this year that average over 8.50005147% and the Xbox has four. It's whatever. The GC has another one on the way with Mario Kart, and as far as the Xbox goes we will have to see how PGR2 turns out or whether or not Ninja Gaiden makes it in time. That sounds pretty even to me in terms of exclusives for the year.

[trebor]

If no one is buying GC games, why brag about them? If GC has the same hardware base in the US as XBOX, why doesn't it have the same number of titles in the top10 and top20 month over month. The fact that Nintendo is the number 2 developer is a boon to Nintendo, but that is no boon for 2nd and 3rd party developers who can't sell anything on the platform. We all know Nintendo is going to sell Mario and Link games like crazy, the problem is nobody else can sell anything. And also, those Nintendo games are not selling near the numbers predicted by Nintendo, remember Mario was going to sell 10 million units worldwide, they didn't get 3.
Here is what you don't get, you buy your only 3 good games on the Gamecube, you get about 30 hours of individual enjoyment out of those games, and then they are coasters. I still laugh remembering people saying, &quot;...I can get replay value from Zelda by going back and collecting all the hearts I missed.&quot; This is a pretty sad way to get replay value from a game. So you can take a PS2 90%, and a GC 90%, but i'll take an XBOX over them both. I'll still be playing the 87% rated MotoGP2 which came out earlier this year, long after you are done playing MarioKart and any other GC game that releases this fall. See, &quot;It's fun to play together.&quot; So, if you can't tell by now, ratings may predict whether a game is good, but they can't predict how much goodness and value a title is going to give you overtime. Would you rather have a game rated 100% that only gave u 10 hours of playability. Or a game rated 87% that gave you a whole years worth of play.

Oh puh-leaze, this is the best argument you can come up with? You honestly think Mario Kart won't have much replay value?!? That is really stupid.

For one thing, the current rating for MK-DD is 95%.

Secondly, Mario Kart is made for multiplayer. Multiplayer = replay value. I know people that still regularly play Mario Kart 64, and you mean to tell me that isn't longevity? Were talking about a game that's over 6 years old! And from intitial responses to MK-DD, it is a drastic improvement in the series.

Also, pathetic Xboyz® are still babbling about Halo - and it's over two years old. If the Xbox library is so fricken wonderful, why are people still playing this game? If there are so many "high-rated exclusives" that are in the Xbox library, why is Halo still the most talked about game?

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Who in the world thinks the GC sales increase isn't a result of the price drop? Does it matter?

What is funny is the Xboyz® denial of which system is set up for success during the holiday season. The $99 GC with Mario Kart imminent or a $179.99 Xbox bundle with two worthless games and two worthless "free" months of Xbox Live - which you need to purchase a Xbox Live "starter" kit to utilize.

What Xbox titles are being released this holiday season that are as highly anticpated as Mario Kart?</div>


This entire thread has been about Nintendo exclusive titles vs. Xbox exclusive titles. Then Sparky goes and mentions the increase in sales without uttering a word about the real reason that the GC sales have increased---the price drop. That implies to me that he seems to think, quite incorrectly I may add, that there is a correlation between GC exclusives and this "amazing" increase in sales. I am just here to set the record straight for the delusional.

As far as the most anticipated holiday title---I seem to have misplaced my handy dandy Hypometer which reads the minds of today's videogame consumers and spits out a cheerful holiday hype quotient. Suffice it to say that I am pretty juiced for Ninja Gaiden. I am also pretty juiced for PGR2 for two reasons. First, because I really need a new racing title. Second, because I grew out of cutesy kart games a long time ago.

[trebor]

Yup and you get one every 3-4 months. You say potato and I say potatoe. Face it Trebor---the GC has three exclusives this year that average over 8.50005147% and the Xbox has four. It's whatever. The GC has another one on the way with Mario Kart, and as far as the Xbox goes we will have to see how PGR2 turns out or whether or not Ninja Gaiden makes it in time. That sounds pretty even to me in terms of exclusives for the year.

Meh, I say. Meh.

[trebor]

This entire thread has been about Nintendo exclusive titles vs. Xbox exclusive titles. Then Sparky goes and mentions the increase in sales without uttering a word about the real reason that the GC sales have increased---the price drop. That implies to me that he seems to think, quite incorrectly I may add, that there is a correlation between GC exclusives and this &quot;amazing&quot; increase in sales. I am just here to set the record straight for the delusional.

Well, you'll have to take that up with Sparky. But, for argument sake, just because he didn't spell out the reason for the GC sales increase, doesn't mean he isn't aware of the reason.


As far as the most anticipated holiday title---I seem to have misplaced my handy dandy Hypometer which reads the minds of today's videogame consumers and spits out a cheerful holiday hype quotient. Suffice it to say that I am pretty juiced for Ninja Gaiden. I am also pretty juiced for PGR2 for two reasons. First, because I really need a new racing title. Second, because I grew out of cutesy kart games a long time ago.

Well, goody for you. I outgrew realistic driving games the day I got my real drivers license - over ten years ago. Too bad, that you grew out of "cutesy" kart games, though. I would think a fun racing game would be down everybodies alley. Who knew?

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">"Well, you'll have to take that up with Sparky. But, for argument sake, just because he didn't spell out the reason for the GC sales increase, doesn't mean he isn't aware of the reason."

Someone with such poor "reasoning" skills is probably not aware of the real reason.


"Well, goody for you. I outgrew realistic driving games the day I got my real drivers license - over ten years ago. Too bad, that you grew out of "cutesy" kart games, though. I would think a fun racing game would be down everybodies alley. Who knew?"</div>

I don't know---I kinda like driving real cars around real cities in the videogame world because it is a reality that I will probably never get to experience.

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well, you'll have to take that up with Sparky. But, for argument sake, just because he didn't spell out the reason for the GC sales increase, doesn't mean he isn't aware of the reason.



Well, goody for you. I outgrew realistic driving games the day I got my real drivers license - over ten years ago. Too bad, that you grew out of "cutesy" kart games, though. I would think a fun racing game would be down everybodies alley. Who knew?</div>



Sorry I edited you post incorrectly, but you will figure it out.

[slade]

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GT4 might turn out to be the best racing game on earth, but it is just one game. How is this going to be different than GT3?

Hands down, the Xbox kicks Ps2 in racing. The sheer number of high quality racing games puts it over the PS2 as a racer's console. Not to mention the games look better, have a better controller for racing, have custom soundtracks, and many are online. The variety of racing challenges is unbeatable---from hardcore sims like Mercedez-Benz racing, bikes in Moto GP 1 & 2, a killer rally game in Rally Sport Challenge, and the best versions of intense arcade style racing like Need for Speed: Underground. There is no doubt that the Xbox is racers paradise.

And frankly, even the GC--F-Zero and Mario Kart are racing games that I'm more enthusiastic about than another GT game that barely shakes up its tired old formula.</div>

There are other exclusive racers on PS2 besides just GT3. There's also the World Rally Championship series and Grand Prix Challenge. Also, PS2 has the best versions of the NFS series and has its on MotoGP fix from Namco.

GT isn't the end all and be all for PS2 racers but it still is the one racer that is regarded above every other in the VG industry.

[no.1gamer]

ThaMaskedGamer:

"Would you rather have a game rated 100% that only gave u 10 hours of playability. Or a game rated 87% that gave you a whole years worth of play."

This is the worst possible argument you could have made. A game appearing on gamerankings.com with a 100% ranking would be close to impossible. The closest game from 2003 is none other than the Gamecube exclusive (surprise, surprise) Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, with a 95.1%. If a game ever did manage to score a 100% I would buy it IMMEDIATELY along with whatever gaming system necessary to play it. It would be hailed as the end all video game and would be considered video game nirvana.

Prince of Darkness:

"Then Sparky goes and mentions the increase in sales without uttering a word about the real reason that the GC sales have increased---the price drop. That implies to me that he seems to think, quite incorrectly I may add, that there is a correlation between GC exclusives and this "amazing" increase in sales."

Once again I will point out that the price advantage the Gamecube has over the Xbox is far from an unfair advantage or whatever you're trying to play it out to be. The decision not to slap on a DVD player, a backwards compatability feature, an Ethernet port, a hard drive and all the other bells and whistles are now finally paying off. Even with the Gamecube being sold at $99 it is believed that Nintendo is still breaking even from every console sold. The Xbox as we all know is already being sold at a loss let alone even more so if they decide to drop the price below $179. I am well aware of the GCN's current price. I am also aware that the GCN has had better software released for it in the year 2003, which was the entire purpose of my thread.

[trebor]

I don't know---I kinda like driving real cars around real cities in the videogame world because it is a reality that I will probably never get to experience.

I hear ya', driving around on maps that are accurate is a pretty cool deal - especially if they areas where you will never be driving in reality. Whereas I would like to shoot turtle shells at people while I'm driving, in reality, but I'll settle for Mario Kart instead.

I still find it tough to believe you won't be buying MK, though.

[The Buzz]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Jeez that is a lame answer. Here is a simple test to determine if a game is exclusive or not...

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play Halo?

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play KotOR?

The answer is YES YOU CAN.

Whereas...

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play MK-DD?

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play Metroid Prime?

The answer is NO YOU CAN'T.

There you have it - a simple test to determine game exclusivity.</div>\


This is a total waste of time. I understand what you're saying but you choose not to understand my point.

Halo and KOTOR cannot be played on any other "console." A PC yes...another console no. Simple.

[trebor]

This is a total waste of time. I understand what you're saying but you choose not to understand my point.

Halo and KOTOR cannot be played on any other "console" A PC yes...another console no. Simple.

I understand your point, believe me, but it is still completely irrelevant.

The PC is a platform. The PS2 is a platform. The Gamecube is a platform. The Xbox is a platform. Considering all 4 require processors, memory, and graphics processors, they are not so different - sorry.

Perhaps if you said something like "If you pretend that there is no such thing as PC's, then Halo and KotOR are exclusive to the Xbox" -or- "If you pretend there is no such things as the PS2 and Gamecube, then Xbox is the best videogame platform" or even "If Buzzy pretends to have an argument, he will keep posting in this thread."

[Gadfly2317]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I understand your point, believe me, but it is still completely irrelevant.

The PC is a platform. The PS2 is a platform. The Gamecube is a platform. The Xbox is a platform. Considering all 4 require processors, memory, and graphics processors, they are not so different - sorry.

Perhaps if you said something like "If you pretend that there is no such thing as PC's, then Halo and KotOR are exclusive to the Xbox" -or- "If you pretend there is no such things as the PS2 and Gamecube, then Xbox is the best videogame platform" or even "If Buzzy pretends to have an argument, he will keep posting in this thread."</div>


Well, and the final insult is that PC is the most widely owned of all platforms. Like if something was only on Gamecube and Dreamcast, like Skies of Aradia, well that is MORE exclusive to gamecube because of the small number of Dream Casts, vs something like Halo or KOTOR on Xbox and PC, because EVERYONE owns a PC and can play those games without buying an xbox. (and yes"everyone" is an exxageration, so don't nitpick it.)

[shogun]

The other thing to remember is that the specs required for games such as Halo, Morrowind and KOTOR have been quite reasonable and very in reach of the average PC. I can already hear the screams of "better graphics!" by the xbox faithful...I'm sorry to say that $179 isn't worth it, at least not to most.

It's nice that XBox got Crimson Skies this fall....takes some of the sting out of losing the exclusives that made ya plunk $200-$300 down in the first place. As for those of us who held on to our wallets...as they say.."All good things to those who wait" :D

Actually, I don't know how much of a "good thing" having the ability to play these games is to me. I may end up picking up Halo for my PC...but it's kinda low down my list right now. I still have Dark Cloud 2 in the shrinkwrap.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I understand your point, believe me, but it is still completely irrelevant.

The PC is a platform. The PS2 is a platform. The Gamecube is a platform. The Xbox is a platform. Considering all 4 require processors, memory, and graphics processors, they are not so different - sorry.

Perhaps if you said something like "If you pretend that there is no such thing as PC's, then Halo and KotOR are exclusive to the Xbox" -or- "If you pretend there is no such things as the PS2 and Gamecube, then Xbox is the best videogame platform" or even "If Buzzy pretends to have an argument, he will keep posting in this thread."</div>

After reading the latest EGM I dont see how this could be true.And judging by the scores from Gamerankings the Xbox has alot more higher rated game scores than the GC does.So now we're back on the PC/Xbox exclusive thing huh? (Boring).

[Jupiter_x]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Jeez that is a lame answer. Here is a simple test to determine if a game is exclusive or not...

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play Halo?

If you don't own an Xbox, can you still play KotOR?

The answer is YES YOU CAN.

Whereas...

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play MK-DD?

If you don't own a Gamecube, can you still play Metroid Prime?

The answer is NO YOU CAN'T.

There you have it - a simple test to determine game exclusivity.</div>

Trebor,

I totally agree with you on this one!

The Xbox gamers get defensive for one reason: XBOX is NOT #1! ...the PS2 is!
Do you honestly think PS2 gamers care what other gamers think of the PS2?....nope! (I don't, I love my PS2) why? 'cause PS2 rules! PC gamers are laughing at the Xbox gamers and all the comments made regarding exclusivity of it's games and how powerful Xbox is! We all know the PC will always DESTROY this insipid oversized black box that has a tiny 733 Celeron inside it, with a big bad X on top known as the so called mighty XBOX!
Sure I will admit Xbox has some decent games however most are just PC ports, lets name a few shall we: Counterstrike? I was playing this one online 4 freakin' years ago....FOR FREE! Crimson skies? isn't that one like 2 years old as well?
Halo?....I own Halo for my AMD 3000+ PC gaming rig....oh and I will soon have KOTOR! I also own Indiana jones, Morrowind, Jedi outcast, Jedi Accademy, Unreal Tourn. 2003, Return to Castle Wolfenstien,007 Nightfire for my beloved PC!

GameCube: sure I realize this system does not have tons of games but they still have a large amount of 3rd party games, and for those GameCube exclusives that are true exclusives...are unforgettable!

Ok, let's check out some of the Xbox's exclusives:
What games?....and I quote: "WHAT GOOD GAMES " are exclusive on this Xbox? hmmmmmmm, lets see....um!....ok, Voodoo vince? LOL, please I will take Jakk 2 for my PS2 thanx! Blinx? yeah whatever, I take Ratchet&Clank: Going Commando! Buffy? nope I'll take part 2 Chaos bleeds for my Cube! Grabbed by the goulies? are you F***ing kidding me? I would rather play Luigi's mansion or Maximo: Vs. army of Zin!

Now for the last fight...this is the one we have all been waiting for!
Lets give Xbox an advantage here people!....Three against One
Ok...in the left corner we have Xbox's: 1."Azurik" 2."Nightcaster" and 3."NightCaster 2 Equinox"...In the right corner we have PS2's: Suikoden 3!
Fight!


Smash , boom , bwang, slam , bam , crunch ,


ding ding ding!

Suikoden wins giving the Xbox trio a well deserved TKO!

The moral to this story is Xbox needs to really shape up!

["The Game"Evolution]

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Trebor,

I totally agree with you on this one!

The Xbox gamers get defensive for one reason: XBOX is NOT #1! ...the PS2 is!
Do you honestly think PS2 gamers care what other gamers think of the PS2?....nope! (I don't, I love my PS2) why? 'cause PS2 rules! PC gamers are laughing at the Xbox gamers and all the comments made regarding exclusivity of it's games and how powerful Xbox is! We all know the PC will always DESTROY this insipid oversized black box that has a tiny 733 Celeron inside it, with a big bad X on top known as the so called mighty XBOX!
Sure I will admit Xbox has some decent games however most are just PC ports, lets name a few shall we: Counterstrike? I was playing this one online 4 freakin' years ago....FOR FREE! Crimson skies? isn't that one like 2 years old as well?
Halo?....I own Halo for my AMD 3000+ PC gaming rig....oh and I will soon have KOTOR! I also own Indiana jones, Morrowind, Jedi outcast, Jedi Accademy, Unreal Tourn. 2003, Return to Castle Wolfenstien,007 Nightfire for my beloved PC!

GameCube: sure I realize this system does not have tons of games but they still have a large amount of 3rd party games, and for those GameCube exclusives that are true exclusives...are unforgettable!

Ok, let's check out some of the Xbox's exclusives:
What games?....and I quote: "WHAT GOOD GAMES " are exclusive on this Xbox? hmmmmmmm, lets see....um!....ok, Voodoo vince? LOL, please I will take Jakk 2 for my PS2 thanx! Blinx? yeah whatever, I take Ratchet&Clank: Going Commando! Buffy? nope I'll take part 2 Chaos bleeds for my Cube! Grabbed by the goulies? are you F***ing kidding me? I would rather play Luigi's mansion or Maximo: Vs. army of Zin!

Now for the last fight...this is the one we have all been waiting for!
Lets give Xbox an advantage here people!....Three against One
Ok...in the left corner we have Xbox's: 1."Azurik" 2."Nightcaster" and 3."NightCaster 2 Equinox"...In the right corner we have PS2's: Suikoden 3!
Fight!


Smash , boom , bwang, slam , bam , crunch ,


ding ding ding!

Suikoden wins giving the Xbox trio a well deserved TKO!

The moral to this story is Xbox needs to really shape up! </div>

Xbox needs to shape up? Lets see the last time I checked the Xbox has been having a much better year than last year.Plus Xbox live is still going strong.And the last time I was in Gamerankings.com I can count almost two handfuls of Xbox games thats scored over 80-90%.

And you call this what? Nothing? Chop Liver? Lets face it nobody has had a runaway year as far as hit after hit on any of the 3.Same goes for the GC.Yes F-Zero and Mario Kart has done well.But big time games like P.N.03 and RS III tanked in most reviews.Sorry but you cant say that the Xbox is the only console that needs to shape up.The PS2 and the GC needs to shape up too.

Suikoden 3 is a great game.But in the same respect so is an RPG called Knights Of The Old Republic for the Xbox.Yes the Xbox has had some horrible games.But who hasnt? Britney Spears Dance Beat,Mary Kate & Ashley,The Bouncer,Steet Fighter EX2,Evergrace;etc all came from the PS2.

And those games wasnt exactly the best but since then alot of great games has come from the PS2 as well.Same can definately be said about the Xbox right now.Besides Suikoden 3 is just one of its kind.You have so many other games like it coming for the Xbox that I lost count.

Yes most of those games that you can play on the Xbox you can buy for your PC.Very true.But the main things that truly seperates console gaming from PC gaming is release dates and upgrading your computer.

For me its like this:Console gaming is truly more fun now than PC gaming ever was.What I find amusing is that the only comeback that most PC gamers has is that playing on the computer is better than the Xbox experience.

Well lets put it this way:The Xbox gives what the PS2 and the Gamecube doesnt.Yes you can get that from PC gaming.But when it comes to straight console gaming the PS2,the Xbox,and the GC is where its at.Besides if you own a PS2 and an Xbox like I do the PC is more like your 3rd option.At least it is for me.I love both my consoles.

And both console truly compliment each other.

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">ThaMaskedGamer:

"Would you rather have a game rated 100% that only gave u 10 hours of playability. Or a game rated 87% that gave you a whole years worth of play."

This is the worst possible argument you could have made. A game appearing on gamerankings.com with a 100% ranking would be close to impossible. The closest game from 2003 is none other than the Gamecube exclusive (surprise, surprise) Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, with a 95.1%. If a game ever did manage to score a 100% I would buy it IMMEDIATELY along with whatever gaming system necessary to play it. It would be hailed as the end all video game and would be considered video game nirvana.

Prince of Darkness:

"Then Sparky goes and mentions the increase in sales without uttering a word about the real reason that the GC sales have increased---the price drop. That implies to me that he seems to think, quite incorrectly I may add, that there is a correlation between GC exclusives and this "amazing" increase in sales."

Once again I will point out that the price advantage the Gamecube has over the Xbox is far from an unfair advantage or whatever you're trying to play it out to be. The decision not to slap on a DVD player, a backwards compatability feature, an Ethernet port, a hard drive and all the other bells and whistles are now finally paying off. Even with the Gamecube being sold at $99 it is believed that Nintendo is still breaking even from every console sold. The Xbox as we all know is already being sold at a loss let alone even more so if they decide to drop the price below $179. I am well aware of the GCN's current price. I am also aware that the GCN has had better software released for it in the year 2003, which was the entire purpose of my thread.</div>

I never said that the GC had an unfair advantage with its current price point. What I said was that the real reason that the GC has increased its sales was due EXCLUSIVELY(since everyone loves that word so much around here) to the price drop. You are acting as if it is the game lineup that is the reason for the sales increase, and guess what, you are wrong. It is no coincidence that the GC sales started increasing the day the price drop. All I am saying is that when the Xbox drops in price and the sales increase am I then allowed to come in here and start patting myself on the back like you guys are. It is the price drop so get it straight. The GC holiday lineup is just as spartan as it has ever been.

[The Prince of Darkness]

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This is a total waste of time. I understand what you're saying but you choose not to understand my point.

Halo and KOTOR cannot be played on any other "console." A PC yes...another console no. Simple.</div>


You know how we think that Japan "does not count". Well, these are the same people that think that genres like sports and sim based driving do not count. Let's assume for a moment that there are actually people out there that own a PC but only use it for work, e-mail, or the internet. These same people are in the console market for their first console. They are trying to choose between the GC and the Xbox. They want to play Halo, Kotor, ESPN Games, and GTA. They are going with the Xbox. Plain and simple. In the battle between the GC and the Xbox these titles are relevant.

["The Game"Evolution]

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I never said that the GC had an unfair advantage with its current price point. What I said was that the real reason that the GC has increased its sales was due EXCLUSIVELY(since everyone loves that word so much around here) to the price drop. You are acting as if it is the game lineup that is the reason for the sales increase, and guess what, you are wrong. It is no coincidence that the GC sales started increasing the day the price drop. All I am saying is that when the Xbox drops in price and the sales increase am I then allowed to come in here and start patting myself on the back like you guys are. It is the price drop so get it straight. The GC holiday lineup is just as spartan as it has ever been.</div>

Besides P.O.D we know that GC owners are still hurting from RS III not doing so well.(LMAO!) But now they have Mario Kart to keep them happy again.(Like we care) We both know that the price drop is truly the MVP of increase in sales.The games are truly not the primary reason why " The little console that cant do what my PS2 and Xbox can do" is selling so well.

But if the Xbox or the PS2 drops even further in price WATCH OUT!

[The Prince of Darkness]

"Ok, let's check out some of the Xbox's exclusives:
What games?....and I quote: "WHAT GOOD GAMES " are exclusive on this Xbox? hmmmmmmm, lets see....um!....ok, Voodoo vince? LOL, please I will take Jakk 2 for my PS2 thanx! Blinx? yeah whatever, I take Ratchet&Clank: Going Commando! Buffy? nope I'll take part 2 Chaos bleeds for my Cube! Grabbed by the goulies? are you F***ing kidding me? I would rather play Luigi's mansion or Maximo: Vs. army of Zin!"

What a great argument this is. Don't you think that it is pretty easy to take the genre that the Xbox is weakest in and put it up against the GC and PS2 in the genre that they are strongest in? Gee how about it if we compare the Xbox sim based racing lineup with the GC's. Xbox with a TKO---ding, ding, ding. How about it if we compare the Xbox FPS lineup with that of the PS2---whoa there is a unanimous decision for the Xbox. Obviously you are a PC guy that likes to play platformers on his console of choice. That is just fine but not everyone is like you. Some people like to play sports, fps, fighting, and driving games and let me tell you the moral of that story. The Gamecube needs to shape up.

[The Prince of Darkness]

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Besides P.O.D we know that GC owners are still hurting from RS III not doing so well.(LMAO!) But now they have Mario Kart to keep them happy again.(Like we care) We both know that the price drop is truly the MVP of increase in sales.The games are truly not the primary reason why " The little console that cant do what my PS2 and Xbox can do" is selling so well.

But if the Xbox or the PS2 drops even further in price WATCH OUT!</div>


That's ok let them have their day in the sun. I am sure that it will not last. I mean how can it last when a goofy kart racing game is your killer app for the holiday season. Don't get me wrong because I have always enjoyed the Mario Kart games. The thing is that I can remember back in the day when Mario Kart was just the gravy of the Nintendo lineup and not the actual meat and potatoes. Well, this holiday season it is the meat and potatoes and it is all they got for quite a while.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well if you just go to gamerankings.com you will see that Topspin (89.5), Rainbow six 3 (89.6) and Crimson Skies (89.6) all score below 90%! I'm not saying that these are bad games by any means as those are some d@mn respectable scores. However they just come up short of the 90% mark. Meaning these games do not receive "grade A" but instead "grade B." You can argue that they are underrated or they only missed the 90% mark by a small margin, but the fact is that a grade A T bone steak is better than grade B ground beef. A grade B on your report card gives you a slap on the back from your classmates when a grade A grants you scholarship money. And while I'm enjoying my 3 exclusive grade A games from this year on my GCN you are only enjoying 1 on your Xbox. Sorry.

And Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is not an exclusive Xbox game. I can play this game and I don't have an Xbox therefore it is NOT exclusive to the Xbox. If I want to play Panzer Dragoon Orta on the other hand I would simply have to go buy an Xbox. I hope that clears up your confusion about the term exclusive.</div>

One.(A DC port of PSO)How many online games does The Xbox have? Yeah I lost count too.(Racing,sports,FPS,fighting games,mechs)Yes you can play Mario Tennis with a whole room full of people.But then again you can play Top Spin for the Xbox online.And every review on Top Spin has been excellent.(Do anyone still talk about Mario Tennis these days?)

I find it rather amusing that Nintendo recently signs a deal with AOL but yet has no plans in the near future to develop any online games for the GC.LOL! Imagine that.

I say who cares if PC gamers gets to play the same games that Xbox owners do.The ones that only owns a PS2 or an GC will be the ones left in the dust.Why should Xbox owners lose any sleep over these things? "Exclusives" are cool,but they're not the center of the videogame world either.

[no.1gamer]

Ok Xbots, this is not PC vs. Xbox thread! If it was the PC would win hands down, but it's not. Stop trying to change the subject.

I stated that the Gamecube has had 3 (soon to be 4 with Mario Kart: Double Dash!!) exclusive 90%+ games released in 2003. The Xbox has only had 1 that was released WAY back in January. With the GCN the sure fire hits have just kept on coming all year. The GCN is also going to finish out the year of 2003 in style with Mario Kart! I'm sorry to break the news to you Xbots, but I just don't see any 90%+ exclusives on the horizon for you. Not this year I'm afraid.

And the reason that we're not including multiplatform titles is simple. If a game is multiplatform then pretty much every member of this website can play it. We all own or have easy access to pretty much every gaming system (PS2, GCN, PC or Xbox) with the exception of maybe one. And I think it's safe to assume that everyone here has a PC (if you're not reading this on a PC monitor please speak up) so YES the PC does count as a gaming platform. The only game that was released in the year 2003 that scored 90%+ at gamerankings.com that I am unable to play is Panzer Dragoon Orta. I have only missed out on 1 AAA game this year by not playing the Xbox. In other words, the Xbox sucks!

I would also like to point out that ALL 4 multiplatform games (that scored higher than 90%) shared by both the GCN and Xbox this year are better on the GCN. Yes ALL of them.

Soul Calibur 2
GCN = 92.7%
Xbox = 91.7%.

Madden 2004
GCN = 92.5%
Xbox = 90.4%

SSX 3
GCN = 93.6%
Xbox = 90.9%

NCAA Football 2004
GCN = 90.5%
Xbox = 90.4%

So there goes your whole "Xbox has superior multiplatform games" theory. So the Xbox has next to zero AAA exclusives. And the best multiplatform games are better on the GCN. The PS2, GCN and PC all have AAA exclusives, why doesn't the Xbox? Can someone please explain to me what the purpose of that green and black atrocity is! Face it the GCN has defeated the Xbox in 2003 in every conceivable way: better software, sales, etc…

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Ok Xbots, this is not PC vs. Xbox thread! If it was the PC would win hands down, but it's not. Stop trying to change the subject.

I stated that the Gamecube has had 3 (soon to be 4 with Mario Kart: Double Dash!!) exclusive 90%+ games released in 2003. The Xbox has only had 1 that was released WAY back in January. With the GCN the sure fire hits have just kept on coming all year. The GCN is also going to finish out the year of 2003 in style with Mario Kart! I'm sorry to break the news to you Xbots, but I just don't see any 90%+ exclusives on the horizon for you. Not this year I'm afraid.

And the reason that we're not including multiplatform titles is simple. If a game is multiplatform then pretty much every member of this website can play it. We all own or have easy access to pretty much every gaming system (PS2, GCN, PC or Xbox) with the exception of maybe one. And I think it's safe to assume that everyone here has a PC (if you're not reading this on a PC monitor please speak up) so YES the PC does count as a gaming platform. The only game that was released in the year 2003 that scored 90%+ at gamerankings.com that I am unable to play is Panzer Dragoon Orta. I have only missed out on 1 AAA game this year by not playing the Xbox. In other words, the Xbox sucks!

I would also like to point out that ALL 4 multiplatform games (that scored higher than 90%) shared by both the GCN and Xbox this year are better on the GCN. Yes ALL of them.

Soul Calibur 2
GCN = 92.7%
Xbox = 91.7%.

Madden 2004
GCN = 92.5%
Xbox = 90.4%

SSX 3
GCN = 93.6%
Xbox = 90.9%

NCAA Football 2004
GCN = 90.5%
Xbox = 90.4%

So there goes your whole "Xbox has superior multiplatform games" theory. So the Xbox has next to zero AAA exclusives. And the best multiplatform games are better on the GCN. The PS2, GCN and PC all have AAA exclusives, why doesn't the Xbox? Can someone please explain to me what the purpose of that green and black atrocity is! Face it the GCN has defeated the Xbox in 2003 in every conceivable way: better software, sales, etc…</div>

Everything in your post seems to be based on what you think and not from anything else.

So this is about GC games outscoring Xbox games? Okay lets compare a few then:

Xbox:

GTA Bundle pack-93.8%
Morrowind GOTY Edition-87.3%
Rainbow Six 3-89.7%
Top Spin-89.6%
Project Gotham Racing 2-95.5%
ESPN Basketball-88.0%
KOTOR-94.3%
Crimson Skies-89.6%
PDO-90.6%

Gamecube:

RS III 76.1%
Billy Hatcher-73.3%
Viewtiful Joe-92.4%
Mario Kart-94.6%
Zelda 95.1%
P.N.03-67.0%
F-Zero-90.4%
Sonic Adventure 2:Battle-74.4%
Sonic Adventure:Director's cut-59.4%

All of the games listed came out the year of 2003. 9 GC games vs. 9 Xbox titles.All review scores can be viewed on Gamerankings.com.

I'll let the numbers speak for themselves.

[The Buzz]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I understand your point, believe me, but it is still completely irrelevant.

The PC is a platform. The PS2 is a platform. The Gamecube is a platform. The Xbox is a platform. Considering all 4 require processors, memory, and graphics processors, they are not so different - sorry.

Perhaps if you said something like "If you pretend that there is no such thing as PC's, then Halo and KotOR are exclusive to the Xbox" -or- "If you pretend there is no such things as the PS2 and Gamecube, then Xbox is the best videogame platform" or even "If Buzzy pretends to have an argument, he will keep posting in this thread."</div>


Perhaps if you'd step off your <b>soapbox</b> and <b>shutup</b> for a second...

I simply stated a fact. If a game is available for one console but no <b>other</b> console then it's console exclusive. This defines a <b>console</b> exclusive...exclusive amongst the consoles. Did I state at anytime the games were "platform" exclusive? NO!

Can you play HALO or KOTOR on Gamecube or PS2?...NO! This makes them exclusive to the Xbox <b>console.</b> Can you play them on a PC? YES!

It <b>is</b> a valid point whether you or anyone else wants to accept it. I am now done with you...watch your step!

[The Buzz]

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You know how we think that Japan "does not count". Well, these are the same people that think that genres like sports and sim based driving do not count. Let's assume for a moment that there are actually people out there that own a PC but only use it for work, e-mail, or the internet. These same people are in the console market for their first console. They are trying to choose between the GC and the Xbox. They want to play Halo, Kotor, ESPN Games, and GTA. They are going with the Xbox. Plain and simple. In the battle between the GC and the Xbox these titles are relevant.</div>


"<b>Let's assume for a moment that there are actually people out there that own a PC but only use it for work, e-mail, or the internet.</b>"

Funny...these are precisely the reasons I own a PC.

I prefer to play "games" on my consoles, in front of the 42" widescreen with Dolby Surround Sound while lounging on the couch. If I didn't own an Xbox I wouldn't be playing games like Halo or KOTOR now would I?

No game is SO good to make me want to sit in my office chair, staring at my 19" monitor, while fingering my keyboard for six hours...but give me the chance to play the same game on one of my consoles...NO problem. Would I play Morrowind, Halo, or KOTOR, on my PC for hours on end? NO WAY! On my Xbox? WAY! On my PS2? Can't! On a GC? DITTO! Is it relevent? OF COURSE!

[Gadfly2317]

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That's ok let them have their day in the sun. I am sure that it will not last. I mean how can it last when a goofy kart racing game is your killer app for the holiday season. Don't get me wrong because I have always enjoyed the Mario Kart games. The thing is that I can remember back in the day when Mario Kart was just the gravy of the Nintendo lineup and not the actual meat and potatoes. Well, this holiday season it is the meat and potatoes and it is all they got for quite a while.</div>

I just don't see any lack of games on the GC over the next few months. The big holiday line-up is Mario Kart, Viewtiful Joe, Rogue Squadron and F-Zero--the big 4th quarter games (well, f-zero was the last week of the 3rd qtr)

And coming over the next couple months, even if it were the only system you own, you've got Mario Kart, 1080 Snowboarding, True Crime, Prince of Persia, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Tales of Symphonia, Harvest Moon, and Pikmin II. And personally, I can't wait to use the 'cube to play Sword of Mana (Dec 2).

All the systems have some pretty good games coming out; but you trying to pretend Mario Kart is the only excellent title on the 'cube just shows your ignorance of what's there. Get a clue. It isn't just hte price cut that's driving the 'cube's sales. A lot people waited for the killer price to arrive, but people wouldn't buy the system at all if there weren't games on it they really wanted to play. They'd just spend the $100 on more PS2 games.

[Gadfly2317]

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"<b>Let's assume for a moment that there are actually people out there that own a PC but only use it for work, e-mail, or the internet.</b>"

Funny...these are precisely the reasons I own a PC.

I prefer to play "games" on my consoles, in front of the 42" widescreen with Dolby Surround Sound while lounging on the couch. If I didn't own an Xbox I wouldn't be playing games like Halo or KOTOR now would I?

No game is SO good to make me want to sit in my office chair, staring at my 19" monitor, while fingering my keyboard for six hours...but give me the chance to play the same game on one of my consoles...NO problem. Would I play Morrowind, Halo, or KOTOR, on my PC for hours on end? NO WAY! On my Xbox? WAY! On my PS2? Can't! On a GC? DITTO! Is it relevent? OF COURSE!</div>


That's a pretty good point, especially on Morrowwind. It was too time consuming to play on PC, and it does well on xbox. Halo on the other hand . . .I generally game in short bursts anyway, and this game just controls SO much better on PC. I've found I really enjoy playing this an hour or two at a time on the PC, very engrossing. Unless you are playing multiplayer system link or co-op mode, as a single player game on xbox, it's just a clunky slow-aiming console FPS with lots of tube-like hallways that all look the same.

[The Prince of Darkness]

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I just don't see any lack of games on the GC over the next few months. The big holiday line-up is Mario Kart, Viewtiful Joe, Rogue Squadron and F-Zero--the big 4th quarter games (well, f-zero was the last week of the 3rd qtr)

And coming over the next couple months, even if it were the only system you own, you've got Mario Kart, 1080 Snowboarding, True Crime, Prince of Persia, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Tales of Symphonia, Harvest Moon, and Pikmin II. And personally, I can't wait to use the 'cube to play Sword of Mana (Dec 2).

All the systems have some pretty good games coming out; but you trying to pretend Mario Kart is the only excellent title on the 'cube just shows your ignorance of what's there. Get a clue. It isn't just hte price cut that's driving the 'cube's sales. A lot people waited for the killer price to arrive, but people wouldn't buy the system at all if there weren't games on it they really wanted to play. They'd just spend the $100 on more PS2 games.</div>

First things first I am really glad that you are enjoying your GC and liking that really super holiday lineup along with the games to come. However, and this is a huge however, when you tell someone to get a clue you better come strong like Dick Frickin' Tracy. Dick Tracy would never mention the mere multiplatform games that you mentioned. Why?? Because they don't count Gadfly. Look at the rest of this thread---we cannot even use GTA and Halo in an argument against the GC and those are games that you cannot play on the GC. Now for the rest of those games---1080---we have been here before. You will just never convince me that that game is even a blip on the radar---not with SSX as competition. I will chuckle just like you guys do anytime someone mentions Amped2. Harvest Moon---what the hell is that? Something tells me that it is another niche game that only you will like. Much like, well you guessed it, Pikmin2. That leaves FF:CC and Tales of Symphonia. Neither will be my cup of tea, but they will probably sell. The thing is that the release dates for those two are 2/9 and 4/1 respectively. Guess what games the Xbox has coming out during that time frame---Fable, Halo2, Full Spectrum Warrior, and Thief 3. The Gamecube is going to have a hard time competing with those titles during that time. So Columbo...other than resting on the laurel of its pricepoint why don't you tell me how the GC will compete in early to mid 2004.

[trebor]

Perhaps if you'd step off your "soapbox" and "shutup" for a second...

I simply stated a fact. If a game is available for one console but no "other" console then it's console exclusive. This defines a "console" exclusive...exclusive amongst the consoles. Did I state at anytime the games were "platform" exclusive? NO!

Can you play HALO or KOTOR on Gamecube or PS2?...NO! This makes them exclusive to the Xbox "console". Can you play them on a PC? YES!

It "is" a valid point whether you or anyone else wants to accept it. I am now done with you...watch your step!

Dude, you got some issues to work out. Seriously, this argument is weak at best, and mostly just stupid. You might as well say something as dumb as "Prince of Persia is exclusive to Xbox - for American consoles".

I understand the distinction between a "console" and a PC, but, who the **** cares? A machine that plays videogames is a machine that plays videogames.

Just because you use your home computer for, email, internet and work doesn't mean everyone else does. A $500 PC with a $100 video card will enable you to play most current games on the market. So shut up # 1.

The next time you read a advertisement for a game, look at the little logos for which platforms it is available on - the "PS2" logo, the "Gamecube" logo, the "Xbox" logo and a "PC" logo. Shut up # 2.

Lastly - ENOUGH WITH THE FANTASY SCENERIOS, PC'S EXIST AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAY GAMES Shut up # 3.

[trebor]

Let's assume for a moment that there are actually people out there that own a PC but only use it for work, e-mail, or the internet.

Funny...these are precisely the reasons I own a PC.

I prefer to play "games" on my consoles, in front of the 42" widescreen with Dolby Surround Sound while lounging on the couch. If I didn't own an Xbox I wouldn't be playing games like Halo or KOTOR now would I?

No game is SO good to make me want to sit in my office chair, staring at my 19" monitor, while fingering my keyboard for six hours...but give me the chance to play the same game on one of my consoles...NO problem. Would I play Morrowind, Halo, or KOTOR, on my PC for hours on end? NO WAY! On my Xbox? WAY! On my PS2? Can't! On a GC? DITTO! Is it relevent? OF COURSE!

Oh, so you really do think that just because YOU don't use your computer for gaming, that nobody else does either. LMFAO!

Guess what, Fool-Dawg, (A) Most current computers can be plugged into a TV, yes, even your neat-o 42" widescreen. (B) 5.1 Surround sound is standard with most PC's, and there is THX 7.1 cards on the market, (C) PC's have a wide assortment of gamepads/joysticks to choose from, not 1 S-Controller, (D) Form factor cases are much smaller than the Xbox, and could easily be carried with you for LAN parties, (E) Bluetooth enabled computers would allow you to use a wireless mouse/keyboard from the comfort of your couch, if you so desired,

Not to mention the superior graphics, sound and complexity that is allowed with PC gaming - in fact, who in their right mind would rather play a inferior Xbox version of Halo or KotOR, when the PC version is superior in almost every way?

Lastly, is the laptops, which current models have more than enough horsepower to play current games. Could you play Halo in a coffeeshop if you felt like it?

[slade]

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Do you honestly think PS2 gamers care what other gamers think of the PS2?....nope! (I don't, I love my PS2) why? 'cause PS2 rules! </div>

True true. I don't even defend the system much anymore because its stomped all over the competition. And it doesn't help that the best arguments X-bots like TMP aka Daman, can come up with involve little to no thought to disprove.

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">[QUOTE=trebor]"Dude, you got some issues to work out. Seriously, this argument is weak at best, and mostly just stupid. You might as well say something as dumb as "Prince of Persia is exclusive to Xbox - for American consoles"."

Geez Trebor that is a little far-fetched don't you think? In an argument between an Xbox and a GC owner why in the hell would the Xbox owner use Prince of Persia? Now Halo, KOTOR, or even GTA is a different story because you cannot play them on your GC. If someone was trying to decide which console to buy---Xbox or GC---titles like these could help sway them irregardless of whether they have a PC that they use for gaming or not. It really depends on the scenerio involved.

[trebor]

Geez Trebor that is a little far-fetched don't you think? In an argument between an Xbox and a GC owner why in the hell would the Xbox owner use Prince of Persia? Now Halo, KOTOR, or even GTA is a different story because you cannot play them on your GC. If someone was trying to decide which console to buy---Xbox or GC---titles like these could help sway them irregardless of whether they have a PC that they use for gaming or not. It really depends on the scenerio involved.

I purposely made that argument "far-fetched" to show how "far-fetched" it is to say if Game X is out for PC and Xbox it's "exclusive" to Xbox, if your only counting consoles.

Let me approach this from a different angle now...

I'm in the market to buy a new machine, whether it's an Xbox or a PC is what I'm trying to decide. So if I'm dying to play Halo, KotOR and GTA then it doesn't matter if I get a Xbox or a PC, since those games are available to both.

What does matter is what games are available exclusively on either platform - that is what will sell me to either direction. It's the available games, I can't play on any other platform, which will be the biggest deciding factor.

Now do you see why this distinction is important to me?

[The Buzz]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Dude, you got some issues to work out. Seriously, this argument is weak at best, and mostly just stupid. You might as well say something as dumb as "Prince of Persia is exclusive to Xbox - for American consoles".

I understand the distinction between a "console" and a PC, but, who the **** cares? A machine that plays videogames is a machine that plays videogames.

Just because you use your home computer for, email, internet and work doesn't mean everyone else does. A $500 PC with a $100 video card will enable you to play most current games on the market. So shut up # 1.

The next time you read a advertisement for a game, look at the little logos for which platforms it is available on - the "PS2" logo, the "Gamecube" logo, the "Xbox" logo and a "PC" logo. Shut up # 2.

Lastly - ENOUGH WITH THE FANTASY SCENERIOS, PC'S EXIST AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAY GAMES Shut up # 3.</div>


Sensitive today aren't we? Your time of the month?

I'm not arguing,...I understand...you are the one with the issues trying SO hard to drive your point home. You see me, just like you, realize PC gamers (that also own a PS2 or GC) can play those games if they so choose. No argument here. BUT...

One last time...

If a person is "strictly" a console gamer then he better have an Xbox to play those games because when it comes to consoles it's exclusive to Xbox and Xbox only..

Happy now? Now I'll shut up...

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I purposely made that argument "far-fetched" to show how "far-fetched" it is to say if Game X is out for PC and Xbox it's "exclusive" to Xbox, if your only counting consoles.

Let me approach this from a different angle now...

I'm in the market to buy a new machine, whether it's an Xbox or a PC is what I'm trying to decide. So if I'm dying to play Halo, KotOR and GTA then it doesn't matter if I get a Xbox or a PC, since those games are available to both.

What does matter is what games are available exclusively on either platform - that is what will sell me to either direction. It's the available games, I can't play on any other platform, which will be the biggest deciding factor.

Now do you see why this distinction is important to me?</div>

Yes I do, and like I said it really depends on the scenerio involved. Take me for instance. I do not have a PC that I use for games, so if I was trying to decide between a GC and an Xbox and I made a list of pros for each I would have to list Halo and KOTOR as pros for the Xbox purchase. I would not sit back and say"well those games are available on PC, so screw it I will buy the GC." The thing is that I do have a PS2 so, chances are, that GTA would not really be part of my decision making process. Now the person who does not game on PC or PS2 might have to use GTA in their decision making process. Now my head is starting to hurt.

[trebor]

Sensitive today aren't we? Your time of the month?

I'm not arguing,...I understand...you are the one with the issues trying SO hard to drive your point home. You see me, just like you, realize PC gamers (that also own a PS2 or GC) can play those games if they so choose. No argument here. BUT...

One last time...

If a person is "strictly" a console gamer then he better have an Xbox to play those games because when it comes to consoles it's exclusive to Xbox and Xbox only..

Happy now? Now I'll shut up...

Yes, I'm happy. Now be quiet.

[trebor]

Yes I do, and like I said it really depends on the scenerio involved. Take me for instance. I do not have a PC that I use for games, so if I was trying to decide between a GC and an Xbox and I made a list of pros for each I would have to list Halo and KOTOR as pros for the Xbox purchase. I would not sit back and say&quot;well those games are available on PC, so screw it I will buy the GC.&quot; The thing is that I do have a PS2 so, chances are, that GTA would not really be part of my decision making process. Now the person who does not game on PC or PS2 might have to use GTA in their decision making process. Now my head is starting to hurt.

How about we just say "there are many factors to weigh, when decided which platform is right for you" and call it a day.

[The Buzz]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Yes, I'm happy. Now be quiet.</div>

LOL!

[The Buzz]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Oh, so you really do think that just because YOU don't use your computer for gaming, that nobody else does either. LMFAO!

Guess what, Fool-Dawg, (A) Most current computers can be plugged into a TV, yes, even your neat-o 42" widescreen. (B) 5.1 Surround sound is standard with most PC's, and there is THX 7.1 cards on the market, (C) PC's have a wide assortment of gamepads/joysticks to choose from, not 1 S-Controller, (D) Form factor cases are much smaller than the Xbox, and could easily be carried with you for LAN parties, (E) Bluetooth enabled computers would allow you to use a wireless mouse/keyboard from the comfort of your couch, if you so desired,

Not to mention the superior graphics, sound and complexity that is allowed with PC gaming - in fact, who in their right mind would rather play a inferior Xbox version of Halo or KotOR, when the PC version is superior in almost every way?

Lastly, is the laptops, which current models have more than enough horsepower to play current games. Could you play Halo in a coffeeshop if you felt like it?</div>

What? HUH? Dude...WAY too much thought going on here. Not necessary. As true as all the stuff is you mentioned...I'll put it in simple to comprehend "trebor" terms (kidding) and it goes something like this...

I like the simplicity of the console...the easy hook up...to the big screen...in the living room...with great surround sound and all the comfortable furnishings. The family likes to pick up a controller and join in too...from time to time. That's basically it. My PC is for "PCing" my consoles are for gaming.

Have a :rolleyes: day!

[trebor]

What? HUH? Dude...WAY too much thought going on here. Not necessary. As true as all the stuff is you mentioned...I'll put it in simple to comprehend &quot;trebor&quot; terms (kidding) and it goes something like this...

I like the simplicity of the console...the easy hook up...to the big screen...in the living room...with great surround sound and all the comfortable furnishings. The family likes to pick up a controller and join in too...from time to time. That's basically it. My PC is for &quot;PCing&quot; my consoles are for gaming.

Have a :rolleyes: day!

Yes, all sounds good. You have a day, as well.

[GameLegend]

Aww jeeez i m reading some comments people have made on this form and is it just sad. Dont take all this soo personally! lol...
So u got your very first console, and u feel like telling the whole world of how great your console is. Fine. But when u start dising people cuz they have a different from yours, (REMEMBER: People fear what they dont know....and many act in vengence) thats just being stupid.
I know this is a form called System Wars but ease up and slow down!
Its obvious that the GameCube is better than all of the other systems!
LoL kidding..i have a three consoles...so i could care less of how one is better than the other.

[sjsharky]

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"<b>Let's assume for a moment that there are actually people out there that own a PC but only use it for work, e-mail, or the internet.</b>"

Funny...these are precisely the reasons I own a PC.

I prefer to play "games" on my consoles, in front of the 42" widescreen with Dolby Surround Sound while lounging on the couch. If I didn't own an Xbox I wouldn't be playing games like Halo or KOTOR now would I?

No game is SO good to make me want to sit in my office chair, staring at my 19" monitor, while fingering my keyboard for six hours...but give me the chance to play the same game on one of my consoles...NO problem. Would I play Morrowind, Halo, or KOTOR, on my PC for hours on end? NO WAY! On my Xbox? WAY! On my PS2? Can't! On a GC? DITTO! Is it relevent? OF COURSE!</div>

A point I've attempted to make on past occassion, lost on those a was trying to debate with. At least I now know there is at least one other person that feels the way I do.

[sjsharky]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Oh, so you really do think that just because YOU don't use your computer for gaming, that nobody else does either. LMFAO!

Guess what, Fool-Dawg, (A) Most current computers can be plugged into a TV, yes, even your neat-o 42" widescreen. (B) 5.1 Surround sound is standard with most PC's, and there is THX 7.1 cards on the market, (C) PC's have a wide assortment of gamepads/joysticks to choose from, not 1 S-Controller, (D) Form factor cases are much smaller than the Xbox, and could easily be carried with you for LAN parties, (E) Bluetooth enabled computers would allow you to use a wireless mouse/keyboard from the comfort of your couch, if you so desired,

Not to mention the superior graphics, sound and complexity that is allowed with PC gaming - in fact, who in their right mind would rather play a inferior Xbox version of Halo or KotOR, when the PC version is superior in almost every way?

Lastly, is the laptops, which current models have more than enough horsepower to play current games. Could you play Halo in a coffeeshop if you felt like it?</div>

I dont know who you are calling a fool-dawg, trebor, especially with your stupid points. Yes, most PC's nowdays can be plugged into your TV, that is "NEW" PC's. How many people have these new PC's and secondly, how many people have them setup to their TV's? Just because you can, doesnt mean they do. I work for a PC retailer and sales of these "media center" PC's doesnt even compare to the "regular" PC sales. So, in your words, SHUT UP #1

2. These THX and surround cards are an upgrade, unless you have a newer machine, added cost. Again, in your words, SHUT UP #2

3. I didnt realize the Xbox only had one style of controller, I guess all the 3rd party controllers are a figment of my imagination. As you put it, SHUT UP #3

4. Make your mind, are we buying a PC that hooks up to our TV(full size case) or a small form factor to carry to our LAN parties or both(added cost). Sorry to say, SHUT UP#4

5. A valid point about bluetooth. Good for you and your friend at the coffee shop, Fool-Dawg.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well, goody for you. I outgrew realistic driving games the day I got my real drivers license - over ten years ago.</div>

Yeah, you're like, so "mature". :rolleyes:

And judging by how often you actually talk about, recent, games that you've played, I'm guessing that you've outgrown just about every genre, eh?

That's what's so curious about why you post here. I mean, it seems all you do is get all emotional about your little purple toy, and about the company that you've "grown up" with. It's funny though... because your posts here about as far from "mature" as you can get.

Like hey everybody... look at trebore... he's old enough to drive a car! But wait... look... he's not allowed to play videogames without his "friends" Mario and pals! Ha ha, hee hee! :p

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Too bad, that you grew out of "cutesy" kart games, though. I would think a fun racing game would be down everybodies alley. Who knew?</div>

You would, eh?
Now that's really hilarious! "Down everybody's alley." Haw!
Of course... Gran Turismo, Pro Race Driver, Nascar Thunder, Project Gotham Racing, RalliSport Challenge, and MotoGP, are NOT fun - you're right... and we are all just a bunch of curmudgeon's... - but, you knew that.

["The Game"Evolution]

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True true. I don't even defend the system much anymore because its stomped all over the competition. And it doesn't help that the best arguments X-bots like TMP aka Daman, can come up with involve little to no thought to disprove.</div>

They really stomped all over the competition all right.LOL! From a sales standpoint it has.From any other point its truly debatable.But only certain gamers leaves all their eggs in one basket.

True gamers doesnt.

[Renzatic Gear]

You would, eh?
Now that's really hilarious! "Down everybody's alley." Haw!
Of course... Gran Turismo, Pro Race Driver, Nascar Thunder, Project Gotham Racing, RalliSport Challenge, and MotoGP, are NOT fun - you're right... and we are all just a bunch of curmudgeon's... - but, you knew that.
I'd rather take a junky mini-coop, raise it up, put a helluva good suspension system in it, install a rollcage, slap some KC lights on top of the thing and go mudding up the side of a mountain than play Rallisport.

Oh yeah, and have some chick ride in the car with me, so that when I take a hairpin turn going 80 she can lean over and whisper "kudos" in my ear...

But since I don't have the cash to actually do that I guess I'm stuck playing RSC.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\"> Halo on the other hand . . .I generally game in short bursts anyway, and this game just controls SO much better on PC. I've found I really enjoy playing this an hour or two at a time on the PC, very engrossing. Unless you are playing multiplayer system link or co-op mode, as a single player game on xbox, it's just a clunky slow-aiming console FPS with lots of tube-like hallways that all look the same.</div>

Hmmmm....?
So what you're saying is, this "very engrossing" game on the PC, is a 'boring, time consuming' game with "lots of tube-like hallways that all look the same" on the XBox. Is that right? :confused:

[Cue Butthead] Ehhh... okay.
:rolleyes:

Now I understand that those are your opinions, but because they're so different from mine, I feel now, that I too, must share with the group... :D

I hate gaming with a mouse and keyboard. Always have. I've been using a controller since day one. And I find the k&m to be the mechanisms that are... "clunky".

It was Halo's multi-player modes that put the game over the top with me... but I definitely found Halo's single-player to be "engrossing", as well. Then again, maybe my definition of engrossing is a little bit different(?) I consider a(ny) game that has me playing it for 8-10 hours straight/at-a-time (often from sundown to sun up :o ) - two to three nights a week - to be, a very, engrossing game. (Like KOTOR, Ogre Battle 64, Conquer ;) ...and Halo.) I thought the story in Halo... was COOL! Better than a lot of the shlock that's been coming out of Hollywood lately, I know that. (Though that's not saying much, is it?) I also thought that fighting my way back thru areas that I'd been before was COOL. Yes, COOL! My first reaction's were NOT, 'maaan, this looks too familiar [all mad and what-not]', they were, 'Oh cool, this is where I sniped those elites and blasted those hunters... all those hours ago!... [all engrossed, and everything].

Hmmm... maybe your "enjoyment" of the game is... tainted by other things? That would suck - for you - if that was the case.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I'd rather take a junky mini-coop, raise it up, put a helluva good suspension system in it, install a rollcage, slap some KC lights on top of the thing and go mudding up the side of a mountain than play Rallisport.

Oh yeah, and have some chick ride in the car with me, so that when I take a hairpin turn going 80 she can lean over and whisper "kudos" in my ear...

But since I don't have the cash to actually do that I guess I'm stuck playing RSC.</div>

Sucks to be you. :p

No, seriously... I do not get the same rrrrrrush, from racing a videogame version of a GT40, that I do with from racing my own, real life, authentic, GT40! (Complete with a little stuffed Mario doll hanging by a noose from my rearview mirror! :D )

Ahh, yes... doing 240+ kmh on the Audobon, grabbing BIG AIR on the streets of San Francisco, or expertly uncorking "The Corkscrew" at Laguna Seca (as I am so apt to do)... all with Jennifer Connely riding shotgun (she LOVES IT when I stop short, hee hee!)... it's just not the same!!!
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Alright... so I lied about Mario hanging from my rearview mirror... give me a break.
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[Renzatic Gear]

Man, that sounds fun...riding Jennifer Connely on the autobahn. Unlike you I wouldn't stop short, though...I'd go ALL THE WAY!

And whats up with the kilometers? You British...or (GASP!) Canadian? I prefer using miles..that's the way God intended us to measure distances.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well once again the GCN has managed to out due itself. In the calendar year of 2003 there has been 3 exclusive games released for the GCN which have scored higher than 90% at gamerankings.com. Those games are Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, F-Zero GX and Viewtiful Joe. The pathetic Xbox has only managed to produce 1 exclusive game this year that has scored higher than 90%. Panzer Dragoon Orta, which was released back in January of this year barely makes the cut with a 90.6%. Perhaps the reason some of the Xbots around here have been cranky lately is because they haven't had a quality AAA exclusive for their gaming system of choice in almost 10 months? They continue to ramble on and on about Xbox live and other games that did not score as high as the previously mentioned games. Sorry, but the facts are right here my friends! The GCN has once again released better software than the Xbox!

And for the final blow against the Xbox the GCN will release the next installment of a little series known as Super Mario Kart! This game currently has 94.6% at gamerankings.com but because it will not be released to the public until next week I did not include it in my list above. The funniest aspect of this is that during E3 2003 all the Xbots attacked Nintendo for only unveiling a Mario Kart game. They tried to convince everyone that the Xbox had a better showing than the GCN. Well, fast-forward several months and I am now reading rave reviews of Mario Kart: Double Dash!! In fact I have heard on more than 1 occasion from more than 1 source that Mario Kart is the most exciting game this holiday season! Well let me ask you a question Xbots!!! Where are all your games that gave M$ such a killer showing at E3? All I hear about from you guys is games that will not even be released this year! Why are you so excited about games that do not even have release dates yet? These games are still being developed so you really shouldn't embarrass yourselves when there is a chance that they might not turn out very well. Sorry Xbots you loose to the Gamecube again.</div>

Pfffft.

First of all, GameRankings is good System Wars fodder, but that's about it. "AAA" scores really don't mean that much to the real gamers who actually go out and buy, and play, videogames for themselves. (Play videogames?!? How preposterous!) I guess that's why you, and trebore, have really taken to those "AAA rankings" so much, huh?

Seriously tho', those rankings are a sham!
It is absolutely ridiculous that they would count all of those different sites/articles/reviews ...equally. And the scores are just one thing... have you read some of those reviews?!? You could glean more information from one of trebore's or The Game's posts, fer cryin' out loud! Most of those sites have no business being counted - at all! But since they are counted, then the major reviewers: IGN, GameSpot, EGM, and GameInformer, should count as two - at least! It's not a bad idea for a website, really, but they need to rethink their "formula".

I mean, look at this...
the brownie hounds at PlanetGameCube gave F-Zero GX a perfect 10 out of 10...
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=281548
(imagine that, eh? :rolleyes: )... yet the actual game review not only fails to justify the score... it barely even talks about the gameplay! Any discerning gamer can see that their score is a fraud - but GR still put the score in there with "the others"!

Contrarily, EGM, GMR and GameSpot all graded Top Spin at 90-91%... and if you read their reviews you'll understand why. (What's more, is that coming from these three, that 90-91% scoring, for an XBox game, is quite an "accomplishment"!)

Secondly, I see a lot more than just one AAA "exclusive" for the XBox in 2003, fl@mer!

What, you don't want to count Knights of the Old Republic or the Grand Theft Auto Compilation? Why? To what pathetic depths are we sinking now, kitties? Hmmm... ?

Is not this little comparison of yours between the GC and the XBox libraries head-to-head? Or have you now invited the PS2 and PC libraries to the party? If it is the latter, then why are you only bragging about the number of AAA exclusives the GC has over the XB, and not the PS2 or the PC?!? Hmmm? Or were they invited for the sole purpose of scratching off XB games that the GC, alone, could not? Just curious.

Or are you just lashing out on the new kid again?
What is it with you kitties and the XBox anyhow?

C'mon now, where are you going with this?
Is it really your contention that 4, measly little, AAA exclusive titles a year are enough to qualify a system as a legitmate stand alone console - one that will meet almost all of a gamers wants? Or is it that, a system must have 4 AAA exclusive titles a year in order to be considered a legitimate stand alone console? I wonder...

Ooh, wait... I'm starting to see it now... the XBox is not the ultimate gaming system that I thought it was. I see that if I bought a PS2, a PC, and a GC, then I wouldn't need my XBox to play those AAA titles that I've been playing on it!

Well anyway, if there's one thing you've proven here, it's that GC owners are all about playing videogames. Though I get a different count then you... I'll give you this one; and concede that your gaming prowess is greater, and more powerful. :rolleyes: So let's just say it, shall we... "if your thing is AAA exclusive titles, and AAA exclusive titles only, then the GC is the system to have!" Gamers willing to accept anything less, should find another system to game on. Right? Right! (As proven by a poster named gamer, and website called gamerankings. )

["The Game"Evolution]

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Pfffft.

First of all, GameRankings is good System Wars fodder, but that's about it. "AAA" scores really don't mean that much to the real gamers who actually go out and buy, and play, videogames for themselves. (Play videogames?!? How preposterous!) I guess that's why you, and trebore, have really taken to those "AAA rankings" so much, huh?

Seriously tho', those rankings are a sham!
It is absolutely ridiculous that they would count all of those different sites/articles/reviews ...equally. And the scores are just one thing... have you read some of those reviews?!? You could glean more information from one of trebore's or The Game's posts, fer cryin' out loud! Most of those sites have no business being counted - at all! But since they are counted, then the major reviewers: IGN, GameSpot, EGM, and GameInformer, should count as two - at least! It's not a bad idea for a website, really, but they need to rethink their "formula".

I mean, look at this...
the brownie hounds at PlanetGameCube gave F-Zero GX a perfect 10 out of 10...
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=281548
(imagine that, eh? :rolleyes: )... yet the actual game review not only fails to justify the score... it barely even talks about the gameplay! Any discerning gamer can see that their score is a fraud - but GR still put the score in there with "the others"!

Contrarily, EGM, GMR and GameSpot all graded Top Spin at 90-91%... and if you read their reviews you'll understand why. (What's more, is that coming from these three, that 90-91% scoring, for an XBox game, is quite an "accomplishment"!)

Secondly, I see a lot more than just one AAA "exclusive" for the XBox in 2003, fl@mer!

What, you don't want to count Knights of the Old Republic or the Grand Theft Auto Compilation? Why? To what pathetic depths are we sinking now, kitties? Hmmm... ?

Is not this little comparison of yours between the GC and the XBox libraries head-to-head? Or have you now invited the PS2 and PC libraries to the party? If it is the latter, then why are you only bragging about the number of AAA exclusives the GC has over the XB, and not the PS2 or the PC?!? Hmmm? Or were they invited for the sole purpose of scratching off XB games that the GC, alone, could not? Just curious.

Or are you just lashing out on the new kid again?
What is it with you kitties and the XBox anyhow?

C'mon now, where are you going with this?
Is it really your contention that 4, measly little, AAA exclusive titles a year are enough to qualify a system as a legitmate stand alone console - one that will meet almost all of a gamers wants? Or is it that, a system must have 4 AAA exclusive titles a year in order to be considered a legitimate stand alone console? I wonder...

Ooh, wait... I'm starting to see it now... the XBox is not the ultimate gaming system that I thought it was. I see that if I bought a PS2, a PC, and a GC, then I wouldn't need my XBox to play those AAA titles that I've been playing on it!

Well anyway, if there's one thing you've proven here, it's that GC owners are all about playing videogames. Though I get a different count then you... I'll give you this one; and concede that your gaming prowess is greater, and more powerful. :rolleyes: So let's just say it, shall we... "if your thing is AAA exclusive titles, and AAA exclusive titles only, then the GC is the system to have!" Gamers willing to accept anything less, should find another system to game on. Right? Right! (As proven by a poster named gamer, and website called gamerankings. )</div>

9 GC games of 2003 vs.9 Xbox games of 2003.Overall each side had four games that scored over 90%.And the other five games clearly scored the highest on the Xbox's side averaging over 85%,while the GC's remaining five had games scoring just over 70%.

Now all of a sudden they dont want to compare review scores anymore.Now its back to the PC/Xbox thing.Imagine that.

[Gadfly2317]

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Pfffft.

First of all, GameRankings is good System Wars fodder, but that's about it. "AAA" scores really don't me