What did everyone think about Matrix REvolutions?

[GamingKnight]

Gamers,

Here's the deal. I have not seen the movie yet, and to be honest with you, I'm going to wait for it to come out on DVD. (It's not that I don't like the movie, I do that with all of my movies. I'm just tight with my money spending. Why waste around 20 dollars to see the movie once, when I can buy the DVD and see it as many times as I want?) But I would love to hear what the rest of you thought about Matrix REvolutions. Did you like it? What did you like about the movie? What did you think about the character development? etc, etc.
I need this info because as most of you know, I am in game design creation. Storytelling, when done right, can be a very strong point for attracting people in.
Also, in about 2 weeks, I should have some final documentation results available for everyone to read; I'm very excited. When I give off the link, I hope everyone visits the site.
Oh, and I'll have a group letter ready for those that are currently assisting me in about a day or 2. Have alot to talk about.

Thanks for reading, and let me know what you think.

For Whom is the Game Made?
Empire Arcadia.
Knights of Empire Arcadia.
Hail to the Empire.

[JMix]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I would love to hear what the rest of you thought about Matrix REvolutions. Did you like it? What did you like about the movie? What did you think about the character development? etc, etc.</div>

Well I thought it was a good movie, much better than much of the crap that’s out there, and definitely more fun than the game which while cool at first has absolutely no replay value whatsoever.
A far as storytelling goes, it’s unignorable that the first film did WAY better, introducing the theory of worlds within worlds which before now was not an idea contemplated by anyone past those who simply sit and think all day.
Now we all know what the matrix is, there is no more real mystery and therefore nothing to grip the audience quite so firmly as the first one did. As Trinity said in the first movie, "It's the question that drives us." Now the question is answered and we just have to go from there with what we can.
The reason I continue to respect the two later film is because of the way they are a wonderfully intricate web of theories and concepts all fit together in just the right way. The Wachowski brothers really are brilliant and have obviously done their research as there can be found influences from just about everything in their movies, I.E.: Aztec, Mayan, Greek, Christian, Buddhist, Hinduist, and even Satanic concepts and references as well as theories drawn form minds of great philosophers such as Plato and his exploration of reality-perception in “Allegory of the Cave”
I will admit that there is no real character development, save Neo, in the this last film. On the contrary, many of the characters kinda crapped out in the final sequel. In keeping with the concept of purpose Morpheus should have died at the end of Reloaded. He has no purpose in Revolutions besides sitting in the passenger seat and to say “damn that woman can drive."
I also respect the awesome visual aspect of the films. While the “burly brawl” in Reloaded may not have looked 100% believable, what does at this point? People should just settle down and learn about a thing called willing dispension of disbelief. We use it all the time when reading fantastical stories, so why not in the visual aspect of watching movies? Anyway I think the big battle to save Zion more than makes up for that. It looks awesome!! I don’t believe that digital effects can be pushed any further at this point than that scene does now. Also the anime-style camera angles, and the just-the-right-amount use of slow-mo and matrix-code-textured environments made it all look really really cool.
I’d have to say that the best thing about this one was the action, but going out with a BANG only sprinkled with story, is not necessarily a bad way to end a trilogy, just look at the original star wars flicks.
This really is one to see in theaters to appreciate the visual and audio aspects of it unless you’ve got your own home theater system.

Hope I could be of some help *for more see my posts in the thread “Matrix REvolutions FINAL trailer! Link Inside!”, It’s mostly me defending my new favorite sci-fi trilogy, but some of it might be useful.

-Peace :cool:

PS: are you serious? 20 dollars!!! Advice: smuggle in your own snacks and perhaps it wont cost you as much eh?

[meagher72]

Man, trip out!

Some of you still go to the theater to watch movies instead of waiting for the DVD release?

I better make sure you all know that you don't have to use flint and stone to start a fire anymore..... oh, and they can also bring running water right into your house, even hot water!

;)

Seriously though... for less than the price of two people going to see the movie you could just but the DVD and watch it in the comfort of your own home and watch it as many times as you like with as many people as you want.

The popcorn and pop is a hell of alot cheaper too!

[Fragmastar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Why waste around 20 dollars to see the movie once, when I can buy the DVD and see it as many times as I want?) .</div>

It's because a lot of people don't have plasma TVs yet.

The theatre is still the #1 place to go to.

[T.Tashi]

I found it rather disappointing, although, I can kinda see and understand where the Wachowski bros. wanted to go with it. But i was let down. It really doesn't stand alone. You NEED to have seen the first 2. The Oracle plays a huge part in this last one and it's too bad Gloria Foster died during the filming. The woman that took her place is ok, but Foster was just a great oracle. But I will say, the Wachowski's did an incredible job of bringing anime style mech action to life.

BTW, I saw the movie for $4.50 You can still go to a matinee for that price here in Kansas City.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I found it rather disappointing, although, I can kinda see and understand where the Wachowski bros. wanted to go with it. But i was let down. It really doesn't stand alone. You NEED to have seen the first 2. The Oracle plays a huge part in this last one and it's too bad Gloria Foster died during the filming. The woman that took her place is ok, but Foster was just a great oracle. But I will say, the Wachowski's did an incredible job of bringing anime style mech action to life.

BTW, I saw the movie for $4.50 You can still go to a matinee for that price here in Kansas City.</div>

The matinee in my city is $5.25.

I haven't seen the latest Matrix, but from Reloaded, I did miss Gloria Foster as the original Oracle. I'll probably wait for this one to hit DVD as well.

[Twelve]

Look. The movie doesn't deserve more time than "it sucked".

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[JMix]

I'm sorry but just cant let it go without first emphasizing that contrary
to popular belief, Revolutions is not the worst movie ever! :)
Take a look at this fine list of "films" :rolleyes:

Ghost Ship
Steel
Kazaam
Darkness Falls
A Long Kiss Goodnight
Brother Bear
Ballistic: Eks vs Sever
Kangaroo Jack
Spice World
Glitter
(almost forgot...) GIGLI

Honestly, just re-reading what I have just typed makes me queasy...
...I’m not kidding...
and these are just a few of the worst movies ever made.
You gotta admit that Revolutions deserves just a tad bit more credit
than any of the so-called movies in the preceding list of abominations
and sins against nature and all humanity.

*Peace :cool:

[Static_Fred]

The movie is better than any average flick that's out in the theaters right now, but the story is so shallow!!! In Reloaded, the movie got into a whole lot of stuff that needed a LOT of explaining to make any sense, and Revolutions doesn't help with any of the clarifications. So, be warned, if you go see it, go see it for the cool special effects, and don't demand any real depth to the story and you should be happy.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Look. The movie doesn't deserve more time than "it sucked".

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If you understood the Matrix from day one then The Matrix:Reloaded & Revolutions should've made perfect sense.

I thought Reloaded had more action.But Revolutions was more deep & emotional than the previous two.Besides the door is really open in case they decide to do another one.

Personally I like it.It was deep.

[Twelve]

No, Game. I understood the movie quite well, which is WHY it sucked. Part 1 was the only one that gave me an intellectual buzz.

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["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">No, Game. I understood the movie quite well, which is WHY it sucked. Part 1 was the only one that gave me an intellectual buzz.

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You are simply one of those people.

[Twelve]

Was that supposed to be an argument? Well, ok. You win.

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["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Was that supposed to be an argument? Well, ok. You win.

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People often rag on or fear what they do not understand.Its human nature.Thats all. Its not an insult.

[Twelve]

"People often rag on or fear what they do not understand."

Ah, my philosophical friend, but sometimes people rag on trash because it is, indeed, trash.


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["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">"People often rag on or fear what they do not understand."

Ah, my philosophical friend, but sometimes people rag on trash because it is, indeed, trash.


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"Just because the lawn is greener on the other side doesnt mean that its easy to mow." Sit back and reflect upon it young grasshopper 12.

[Twelve]

Grossed me out in one thread, weirded me out in another.

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[Whaxx]

I agree with game, the 2nd one did have more action, and you probably had to follow the last one alot more then the first two, and some people were confused with what happened to Neo at the end of Revolutions too.

[GamingKnight]

Gamers...

I might as well get into the thick of it in terms as to why I even made this thread in the first place, thanks for the support, everyone.

From what I saw from Matrix 1 and 2, I was not impressed and I am going to explain why. I completely ignored the fact that the movie was going to set the bar in terms of other people copying from it. I expected that. But character involvement and story involvement had a few loop holes. First off, I didn't understand how the machines evolved to the point where they are dominating the humans, but they still get raped by EMP devices. I thought Marvel comics solved that problem with the specs of the standard sentinel, and even the godly sentinel, Nimrod.
Second, the reactions to the way characters handled things. Apparently they are jacked into the matrix and they are able to do some pretty cool abilities. but MUST they wear false gothic clothing all the time? MUST they wear clothing or show expressions that say "Hey! look at me! I'm cool!!!!" Personally, I don't need the character to tell me this, their reactions to things will tell me this. When I was watching the Animatrix DVD with the Final Fight of the Osiris (Done by Squaresoft in terms of the CG Department), I saw no point whatsoever to the little duel that the man and woman had. None. The machines are coming for them, and they are doing this? Take care of the machines! Especially when the woman had to put the package in the mailbox. Why was she wasting her time tossing and flipping off of buildings? Why did she feel the need to express her acrobatic skills to me? When I say this, I'm not saying in terms of the director showing me her acrobatic skills. I'm saying that SHE, as a CHARACTER had the urge to show me her acrobatic skills.
When she finally landed on the floor, her involvement to all of her acrobatic skills was to only land on the floor with a little ripple, and make garbage dumps close their lids!? Deposit the FU**ING package to dumb braud! When she died because she was a second off from depositing the package, I was so happy. I rooted for her death. She was a stupid chick. I'm glad she died. If she as a character was more aware of what was happening around her, she would have lived, as well as the rest of the party members.
The story that explained how the humans basically killed themselves was beautiful. From the first machine to be executed, to the war between the machines and the humans, to the point where the humans blocked the sun from the planet, the machines feeding off of the humans to life, and every explanation in between was pure genius. And Neo just had to screw it up. When he spoke to the Architect, everything made sense. And it is quite obvious what New had to do. Screw Trinity. She is unimportant to the involvement of the Matrix sustaining. But NOOOOO!!! Neo just had to go against what the Architect said with no thought behind it. Saves Trinity by flying at speeds that killed hundreds of thousands of humans that were jacked into the matrix. I was looking at my friends when that happened. When Neo saved Trinity, everyone was like "Yeah! He did it! He saved Trinity!" but I was saying "Does anyone understand how many people just died thanks to Neo?" And now the Matrix is glitching itself to the point where it's prone to shutting down. I truely believed that at that point, Neo, was the villain! Here me out on this one.

We all know the event of the Matrix. All the humans are encased into a world which was deemed to be "perfect". You had your high class people, and you had your people that were stricken with Poverty. But in this world, there was not 1 crime. Not 1! So the world was glitched to begin with. When Neo stepped on the scene, and was told by Morpheus that they must free the humans from the machines control, that seemed all fine and dandy. But wait a minute! The earth is black! There are no furry little animals, there are no pretty little trees for people to hug, there's no water to drink, there's no wonderful blue sky, none of the things were around that was required for humans (or anything except for the machines for that matter) to survive on their own. Planet Earth is irrepairable. Mother Nature...is dead. Now let's talk in a hypothetic statement. Let's say Neo defeated the machines and defeated Agent Smith. Let's say he frees all of the humans from the matrix. Let's say all of the humans woke up, and all of the machines died. Is this to say that Neo was victorious?
Now that the humans have woke up? What will they do now? What seeds will they plant? what resources will they recreate? What organic things can they eat? Artificial proteins? How will they procreate safely? Would they want to? Where would they shelter? What social abilities would they perform to keep the time going by? How would they fix the big black cloud that covered the planet? If they did figure out a way, wouldn't the machines come back to activation due to the sun?
Let's thank Neo for freeing the humans, everyone! YAY!!!

There were too many holes. Too many...and I...loathe holes in a story. Granted, many stories have them, but we're in the year 2003. We are more intelligent, more involving, more sensual, and of all things, more bigger with our cravings. There is 1 movie that came out recently that had absolutely NO holes. The Returner. Don't get the english version, they screwed it up. Get the japanese version, made by Hong Kong Cinema. I combed through that story like a chimp getting bugs out of a friend's hair...and I didn't find 1. Another movie? Magnolia. The movie where all life's random events brought completely random characters together due to circumstance. Julian Moore and Tome Cruise were in that movie and I think that is their best acting role, EVER!

I'm heavily into things like this because I am in the works of my own story for a VERY large RPG design that I'm working on. And as random as things happen in the story, everything will need to make sense, where there are no holes. Everyone can get into the story and know every bit and piece. There will still be mysteries but when they are solved, I want people to be floored by the answer.

This has been my major concern.


For Whom is the Game Made?
GamingKnight, Empire Arcadia.
Knights of Empire Arcadia.
Hail to the Empire.

[Gadfly2317]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Man, trip out!

Some of you still go to the theater to watch movies instead of waiting for the DVD release?

I better make sure you all know that you don't have to use flint and stone to start a fire anymore..... oh, and they can also bring running water right into your house, even hot water!

;)

Seriously though... for less than the price of two people going to see the movie you could just but the DVD and watch it in the comfort of your own home and watch it as many times as you like with as many people as you want.

The popcorn and pop is a hell of alot cheaper too!</div>

I mean, DVD's aren't that expensive any more, and the movies are a chance to go out, so there's no reason to cheat yourself out of either experience if you really love movies. And the popcorn may be cheaper at home, but its generally better (and less healthy!) at the theater. There's just no duplicating the experience of a movie seen at a good theater. I don't care how expensive your home set-up is, its not like a truly huge screen and sound system like at an AMC or Imax. It truly puts you in the director's universe in a way that being at home, with the phone, and the kitchen, and other distractions, smaller screen. . . .

Films that are huge in scale, especially, just don't translate to television that well. I just saw Master and Commander. Now THAT was a great film. Really helped take the bad taste out of my mouth that the Matrix left.

[Gadfly2317]

If you wait for DVD, you might as well not even bother watching at all. It really is a big screen experience with some brilliant special effects sequence. But I have rarely been so dissapointed by a sequel. It made Phantom Menace seem like a masterpiece.

Acting has never been the Matrix's strong point, but this last one had not only the most half-assed dialed in performances, but the script had some of the worst, most insipid, uninspired dialogue. Between the bad acting and bad script, all the special effects in the world couldn't save you from feeling completely detached. . . .a real big, "who cares."

And it had absolutely the WORST sentimental death scene ever performed--I was actually embarrassed for the actors in it. I went saw this movie with eight friends, and though there were some differences of opinion about the movie, there was no disagreement about how bad the death scene was. And despite differences of opinion, we were all serious fans of the first movie, and all but one of us thought it was the worst of the three (the action fan among us thought all the talky-philosophy stuff ruined second one. I thought it saved it.)

Anyway, those are just impressions. I tried not to be too specific to give you any plot spoilers (what little remained of plot.)

The best part of this series, IMO, was the Animatrix DVD.

[Gadfly2317]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I'm sorry but just cant let it go without first emphasizing that contrary
to popular belief, Revolutions is not the worst movie ever! :)
Take a look at this fine list of "films" :rolleyes:

Ghost Ship
Steel
Kazaam
Darkness Falls
A Long Kiss Goodnight
Brother Bear
Ballistic: Eks vs Sever
Kangaroo Jack
Spice World
Glitter
(almost forgot...) GIGLI

Honestly, just re-reading what I have just typed makes me queasy...
...I’m not kidding...
and these are just a few of the worst movies ever made.
You gotta admit that Revolutions deserves just a tad bit more credit
than any of the so-called movies in the preceding list of abominations
and sins against nature and all humanity.

*Peace :cool:</div>

It was far from the worst film ever. It had real moments that were very cool to watch. And its not the worst sequel ever. There's plent of crappy sequels to mediocre movies. But this was a sad end to what was such a brilliant start. And it didn't need to be.

My nominee for terrible movies are coincidentally both sci-fi. Battle Field Earth the definition of bad movie.

And my most hated movie was Independence Day, a poorly acted, hack scripted, cliched piece of xenophobic, nationalistic machismo garbage.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\"><div class=\"smallfont\"></div>

It was far from the worst film ever. It had real moments that were very cool to watch. And its not the worst sequel ever. There's plent of crappy sequels to mediocre movies. But this was a sad end to what was such a brilliant start. And it didn't need to be.

My nominee for terrible movies are coincidentally both sci-fi. Battle Field Earth the definition of bad movie.

And my most hated movie was Independence Day, a poorly acted, hack scripted, cliched piece of xenophobic, nationalistic machismo garbage.</div>

Bottom line:As a whole the Matrix trilogy was a success.Plus you have to respect the work ethnic that all of the actors involved with the project had.Only die-hard Matrix fans truly understand the ins and outs of the franchise.Just like only"Trekkies" truly understands the ins and out of the Star Trek universe.Same goes for comic book collectors thats collected everything over the last 30-40 years.When we see movies like The Hulk it makes us turn away in disgust.

But back to the Matrix.I loved it and I understood it totally.For some? They didnt have a clue.And thats okay.The Matrix trilogy is one of the most sucessful franchises of all time.

[Twelve]

Alright. At least we agree on the HULK being horrible.

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[joquito]

The first Matrix will be a classic. It already is on the list of most current film students best movie list. Reloaded and Revolutions just weren't written well. I found them to be overshadowed by the animatrix shorts.

The special effects in the sequels were on par with the first. The sequels lacked depth and discovery. The story was no deeper than what was laid out.

Look at how The Lord of The Rings series has turned out. Each movie is so polished. The Two Towers kept the drama and suspense of the first. New characters were added and they are just as fleshed out as the returning ones. I must admit the original Oracle and the Merovingian
are clear scene stealers. Yet look at Morpheus in the first, then the next two films. By the last film, lawrence Fishburne starts to look like Cowboy Curtis from Pee Wee's Playhouse.

[ilnadmy]

I personally loved the Matrix Trilogy. I understood it, loved the action, and loved the ideas. My favorite has to be The Matrix Reloaded. Not only were the fighting scenes cool, but I really liked the ideas presented in it. Some people I know couldn't understand what the hell they were talking about, but I really liked it. The ideas of choice, free will vs. predestination, purpose, etc...

And I agree that the Merovingian and the Oracle are scene stealers (the Merovingian especially). But my favorite character in the trilogy has GOT to be Agent Smith. He just has a way of talking that is unparalleled. He clearly utters every last syllable while still sounding shady and evil. Good for me that he's in the Lord of the Ring trilogy too :D. The Merovingian, I believe, has a similar style of talking, but his french accent puts a fresh twist on it.

I also liked the Matrix Revolutions. It didn't have as many philosophical "mumbo jumbo" as I had hoped, but its ending was pretty intellectual. Many people didn't get the ending, but I did, and it fits perfectly into the Matrix universe.

[meagher72]

Ok.... now I feel like a heel.

Made fun of you guys for still going to the theater and now I must stick my foot squarely in my mouth.

Of course I am going to the movie house for LoR: RoK... NWIGGE I am going to wait until the DVD release to see it for the first time.

And the new Tom Cruise movie <i>The Last Samurai</i> looks good... might force myself to go see that on the big screen instead of waiting.

I've just never been a real fan of the theatre and the DVD revolution has found me quite pleased.

So after talking crap then turning around and planning on seeing atleast two movies in the theatre this holiday season I figured it would be best to come back and do some retracting on my previous opinion.

However.... if DVDs were released at the same time as the theaters premiered the movies I think you might be surprised how few people would still go to the theater....

The big screen and the surround sound may be nice... but after 3 hours sitting crouched so others behind me can see but which causes the persons head in front of me to block the screen for me my ass, legs, and back are screaming in protest and I would much rather watch it on my plain ole 27" TV in the comfort of my own home.

Plus… haven’t you ever noticed how blurry theater screens are?

Hate that blur… and some even have big patches on them which cause the eye to be distracted even more.…..

Much better picture quality on my TV even if it is 100x smaller.

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PS... the first Matrix was a complete story in itself.... the sequels where just made out of pure greed on the parts of the producers and a desire to give the fans what they wanted on the part of the artists.

Somtimes it is best to end a story at <i> They lived happly ever after... </i> even if the kids do keep screaming over and over, "But, what happened next? What happened next?!"

Romeo and Juliet needed no sequel... why did the Matrix?

They should have never been made.