Mass Effect Coming to PC.

[ilnadmy]

I stole this from silversparrow's post on the PC forums, I hope you don't mind.

http://kotaku.com/355399/mass-effect-coming-to-pc

REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Leading video game developer, BioWare™, an Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ:ERTS) company, has announced that the award-winning space epic Mass Effect™ will be released for the PC in May 2008. Published by EA and re-designed for the PC, Mass Effect invites players to take the role of Commander Shepard as they set out on an adventure to save the galaxy from imminent destruction. Wrought with treachery, heroism, difficult decisions and a universe filled with unique and colorful species, Mass Effect delivers a truly compelling storyline.

Optimized for the PC, Mass Effect for the PC incorporates the following features:

* Optimized controls designed specifically for the PC.
* High resolution visuals - Mass Effect for the PC features highly detailed textures, characters and environments.
* Fully customizable controls - PC gamers can re-map the control scheme any way they like.
* Run & Gun Control - Players can assign biotic powers or skills to 'hot keys' allowing them to play Mass Effect with a heavier focus on action.
* New decryption mini-game.
* New inventory screen GUI and functionality - The enhanced inventory system makes it easier for players to equip and modify their weapons and armor.

"Mass Effect serves as a powerful example of video games as an art form, delivering new levels of emotional intensity, realistic characters and a gripping storyline - all set in a compelling new universe," said Ray Muzyka, General Manager, BioWare and Vice President, Electronic Arts. Frank Gibeau, President of EA's Games Label added, "EA has struck an agreement with Microsoft to handle future publishing for Mass Effect. We are looking forward to releasing Mass Effect on the PC this Spring and brand new titles in the future."

Originally released for the Xbox 360™ videogame and entertainment system, Mass Effect has received critical acclaim throughout the world with more than 70 awards including Game of the Year, Console Game of the Year and Role-Playing Game of the Year. Mass Effect combines a deep story with intense combat and challenges the player to make difficult decisions that can significantly impact the course of events. An innovative conversation system allows for lifelike interaction with some of the most realistic digital actors, voiced by Hollywood actors such as Seth Green, Marina Sirtis, Lance Henriksen and Keith David. Mass Effect for the PC has not yet been rated by the Entertainment Software Rating Board.

Wow, the game is coming out this MAY. Didn't think it would be out for the PC so soon, but at least now we know that if you have a PC, you don't really need a 360.

[Gadfly2317]

When EA bought this company, was there anything included to prevent them from bringing Mass Effect to Ps3? I didn't like KOTOR, but I want to try Mass Effect anyway. It looks very cool.

[Glockstar]

The only thing worth commenting on is how quick this is coming to PC. Otherwise, everybody knew that it was coming.

There's only two thing that this suggests to me. One is that BioWare was working on the PC concurrently with the 360 version. Or, two, the 360 architecture is so similar to PC that porting between the two systems is incredibly easy.

If the latter is true, then I expect that to work both ways.


All this tells me is that high-profile 360 titles from hereon out probably won't be staying 360 console exclusive for long. The publishers seem eager to ship the games to the PC ASAP...

I don't think "high-profile" has anything to do with it. I think who the developer is is the key. BioWare has always been a PC game maker. Bungie was a PC developer first. (Well, actually MAC, but you know what I'm saying.) Lionhead has always been about PC games. Epic... duh.

Contrarily, you look at Rare, or Turn 10, or Bizarre, or Mistwalker, or Team Ninja, or Real Time Worlds... they're not into the PC so much. Which is probably why you haven't seen or won't see Kameo; Perfect Dark Zero; Forza 2; Project Gotham Racing 1-4; Blue Dragon; Lost Odyssey; Ninja Gaiden; or Crackdown on PC. There are some very high-profile games on that list... so it's not about that.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I would imagine since M.E. was published by Microsoft that this was Microsoft's decision all along. I don't think a company that makes the 360 controller useable on the PC, allows PC gamers to use XBOX LIVE sees the PC market as a threat to the 360. I think the only real surprise is how fast they were able to do it. But then again, Morrowind and Oblivion were released closer together on each separate platform than this. I think Halo is the only the one Microsoft really keeps away from the PC for years. Heck I just can't wait to get my box back to finish it.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

The only thing worth commenting on is how quick this is coming to PC. Otherwise, everybody knew that it was coming.

There's only two thing that this suggests to me. One is that BioWare was working on the PC concurrently with the 360 version. Or, two, the 360 architecture is so similar to PC that porting between the two systems is incredibly easy.

If the latter is true, then I expect that to work both ways.




I don't think "high-profile" has anything to do with it. I think who the developer is is the key. BioWare has always been a PC game maker. Bungie was a PC developer first. (Well, actually MAC, but you know what I'm saying.) Lionhead has always been about PC games. Epic... duh.

Contrarily, you look at Rare, or Turn 10, or Bizarre, or Mistwalker, or Team Ninja, or Real Time Worlds... they're not into the PC so much. Which is probably why you haven't seen or won't see Kameo; Perfect Dark Zero; Forza 2; Project Gotham Racing 1-4; Blue Dragon; Lost Odyssey; Ninja Gaiden; or Crackdown on PC. There are some very high-profile games on that list... so it's not about that.

But Ninja Gaiden and Forza are crap the PC doesn't need those:rolleyes: And Crackdown was just the Halo3 demo game! The rest are just garbage games.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Maybe I will get around to playing ME one day.

[silversparrow]

Anybody check out the official Bioware forums (http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=617396&forum=125&sp=0)?

Apparently many Bioware fans are outraged by this announcement because they bought a 360 just to play Mass Effect. They claim they were mislead about the title's exclusivity. :eek:

[ilnadmy]

Anybody check out the official Bioware forums (http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=617396&forum=125&sp=0)?

Apparently many Bioware fans are outraged by this announcement because they bought a 360 just to play Mass Effect. They claim they were mislead about the title's exclusivity. :eek:

See, that is EXACTLY what we PC peeps have been talking about all this time. If you don't port 360 games to the PC, then PEOPLE WILL BUY 360s. The PC is a BIG factor in the console wars. You don't see PC gamers buying 360s as much as PC gamers buying PS3s. If all 360 games were 360 exclusive, you'd see a lot more PC gamers buying 360s. As it stands, MS isn't doing enough to separate the two, so people like me have no incentive to get MS's box.

[Mochan]

The problem with a PS3 release Gadfly I believe is that MS still has the publishing rights to the game even if Bioware is already EA property. Not sure on this though so don't quote me on it, but basically MS has the say and of course naturally they wouldn't want the game on the PS3.

Anyway like I said in the PC forum version of this thread, as Glockie mentioned everyone knew this was coming to the PC, it was just a question of when.

But I was totally surprised to learn that it's coming to the PC so soon, usually we have to wait a year or so at best but it's nary been over the Christams buying season and they're already announcing it, what more it comes out just 3 months later (about 6 months from when it came out on the 360).

@TMG Halo yeah that one takes years to come over but so did Jade Empire, which is a Bioware game from the "Bioware PC Company." Morrowind was a PC game that was released on the Xbox later whereas Oblivion was designed to be released concurrently on the two platforms from the onset.


Anyway LOL at the Bioware fans enraged due to the port. I mean I really have to laugh my ass off on that one!

[Dancer O_o]

Wow, the game is coming out this MAY. Didn't think it would be out for the PC so soon, but at least now we know that if you have a PC, you don't really need a 360.

Hope they fix all the bugs, frame stutters, texture lag, poor Mako driving mechanics, etc...

[Glockstar]

Anybody check out the official Bioware forums (http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=617396&forum=125&sp=0)?

Apparently many Bioware fans are outraged by this announcement because they bought a 360 just to play Mass Effect. They claim they were mislead about the title's exclusivity. :eek:

Well those people are morons. Everybody knew this was coming. Or they should have known.


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See, that is EXACTLY what we PC peeps have been talking about all this time. If you don't port 360 games to the PC, then PEOPLE WILL BUY 360s. The PC is a BIG factor in the console wars. You don't see PC gamers buying 360s as much as PC gamers buying PS3s. If all 360 games were 360 exclusive, you'd see a lot more PC gamers buying 360s. As it stands, MS isn't doing enough to separate the two, so people like me have no incentive to get MS's box.

I see what you're saying. But I think you're blowing it out of proportion.

The PC is not a BIG factor. It's not even a big factor. It only seems that way because you PC geeks are big into forum posting. And for some reason y'all hate Microsoft.

As I pointed out, for every Xbox/360 game that gets ported to PC there are 3-4 others that do not. You think that one game is a big deal. Probably because it's PC-flavored. Even if it did come out on Xbox/360 first. The other games, for some odd reason, you ignore. Why no interest in Kameo, or Forza, or Crackdown; or MechAssault, or Crimson Skies, or Kingdom Under Fire before them? I'd wager that it's because, by and large, those games don't suit your, the PC eggheads, tastes.

There's clearly separation between the two.

What's weird is that when MS does throw you a bone, gives you geeks a chance to play a great Xbox or Xbox 360 game on your PC - which saves you guys money from having to buy a new system, and still makes them money, because after all, you are still buying their game - you guys scoff or laugh and somehow make it out to be bad thing. Shut the frack up, take your game, go play it, and be happy! Sheesh.

[ilnadmy]

And for some reason y'all hate Microsoft.

Yes, I despise Microsoft. I hate them so much that I'm using Windows Vista every day to spite Bill Gates.

As I pointed out, for every Xbox/360 game that gets ported to PC there are 3-4 others that do not. You think that one game is a big deal. Probably because it's PC-flavored. Even if it did come out on Xbox/360 first. The other games, for some odd reason, you ignore. Why no interest in Kameo, or Forza, or Crackdown; or MechAssault, or Crimson Skies, or Kingdom Under Fire before them? I'd wager that it's because, by and large, those games don't suit your, the PC eggheads, tastes.

Alright, fair enough. I never thought about it like that, but it does make sense. But then why do so many PC gamers buy PS3s? I mean if there are PS3-like games on the 360 that don't interest us, why do PS3 games interest us? And don't give me the "y'all hate Microsoft" schtick.

[Glockstar]

A lot of PC gamers buy PS3s? Like who? You? Okay... there's one.

It comes down to exclusives, I get that, I really do. And the fact that some Xbox or 360 exclusives go to the PC - when Nintendo-made and Sony-made console games generally do not - would be a good reason for some PC owners to have little need for the Microsoft consoles. Obviously they'll need it less than the other two consoles.

But I think we're talking about a small percentage of PC gamers who even look across the fence like that. I just think that most PC gamers stay where they are at; I don't believe there are that many people who are going to make those ongoing investments into their PC and buy expensive console systems. Not enough to make a difference in the console wars. You think it's a bigger number. I guess that's something we just differ on. But I think a big part of why you think the way do is because you're one of that number.

I think MS, or whomever the publisher may be, is smart by releasing a PC version of a console game. Or vice-versa. I don't think they give a hoot about fanboy slants, they care about making money. I mean, it doesn't matter which system the game was bought for, they're making money off the sale either way. Even if the PC sales are going to be far fewer than the console versions' were, I'd say that's a much safer quantity than what you could hope for by converting gamers or enticing them to make another, similar, investment into another system. Better to cover your bases, I think.


I almost wish MS would stop porting their Xbox games over the PC tho'. Because I'd like to see you if you guys who are talking that talk would really walk the walk. You say you're interested in playing Mass Effect; Gears of War; whatever, and that you're kind of considering a 360 purchase... but... well there always seems to be a "but".

[PapaSmurf]

you can also count me in on that PC gamers by PS3s. As for talking the talk, I was so itching to get a 360 for Mass Effect, and then BAM PC. I'm telling ya Glock 360 would look a lot more advantageous is some of it's best games didn't hit the PC. Well at least for people in Ilna and my crowd. We could probably never convince you we'd get a 360. I'm still a little skeptical with the RROD thing, but with the 360 as a 2ndary console there shouldn't be to much to worry about.

Oh the factors of buying a videogame console. I can't think of one game thats on the 360 that I know is staying exclusive that I really wish I had and that's pretty telling. Mass Effect was one of those games that I thought I may have to bite the bullet on. Oh well.

[Mochan]

Hey don't be so hard on the PS3 Glockie I as a PC Gamer will more than likely pick one up in a year or two, whilst I will likely not pick up the 360 ever.

And that's a shame, unlike Papa Smurf I *really* want to get Culdcept Saga, and I'll eat my beanbag if that thing ever shows up on the PC.

Take note Glockie that a lot PC Gamers typically end up picking up a Sony console to supplement their PC gaming. That's why we had a ton of PC/PS2 alliances last gen, and the gen before that I was PC/PS1 along with a lot of other gaming faithful, although the alliance was really tempered in steel in the PS2 era.

I don't know if it's enough to make a difference in the console wars scheme of things but believe me it's not an issue for PC gamers who invest in their PCs to go and pick up a console later down the line.

[silversparrow]

You can add one other PC/PS'er to the list. :thumbsup:

The two platforms are a match made in heaven. Together they give you such a diverse lineup that nothing else matters (at least in my world).

[Ludicrum]

Well those people are morons. Everybody knew this was coming. Or they should have known..

Those poor suckers. I bought my Xbox 360 last year to play Gears of War ... which also was released on the PC ... with additional content which will never be released on the console version ...

... Me sad now. :(

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Those poor suckers. I bought my Xbox 360 last year to play Gears of War ... which also was released on the PC ... with additional content which will never be released on the console version ...

... Me sad now. :(

Don't be so sad, you got to play GOW a year earlier, aside from that little bit of extra content, which wasn't much the 360 version was better and controlled better according to reviews. On top of that, you can play the 360 version co-op online, and best of all, since you have a 360 you will probably be playing GOW2 this XMAS, while it will be another few years before the PC version appears.

As far as the big PS to PS3 migration the movement must be miniscule because it ain't registering on NPD in either sales of hardware or software. PS3 is still getting smoked like a cuban cigar.

And that's funny, the idea that this combination is the best. Yeah its the best if you wanna blow a bunch of money and still get spotty online service. But its a free country. But it certainly isn't free enough to where you can play PGR4, Forza, Crackdown, Kameo, Halo3, and bunch of other less heralded games like Naruto and Dead Rising on the PC. You certainly cannot play Uncharted cooperatively over PSN, you can't play Crysis cooperatively over the PC, but you can play a bunch of the best 360 games cooperatively over LIVE. You wanna race, GT5 is no where to be seen, you gotta pay $40 to get into GT5 Prologue(which i'm passing on) and then you can't even use voice over PSN nor choose your friends to race against. On top of that, you can only only use certain cars on certain tracks, on top of that, there is still no collision modeling in Gran Turismo. So yeah, you can skip 360 this generation, but you can also just get a 360 and skip both the PC and PS3.

I wonder if Too Human, Lost Oddysey, Splinter Cell 5, Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, and Alan Wake are coming to the PC or PS3? Nah, I got no problem with people saying they love PC gaming, but anytime anyone says you can get all the 360 games on the PC or even a lot, that's pure BS. You will miss more exclusives than the PS3 even has at the moment for that matter. The only rebutt possible is to say something stupid like, "oh I don't like those games anyway!" Its funny how PC gamers only like the 360 games that get ported to the PC, strange how that works out.

[Glockstar]

Those poor suckers. I bought my Xbox 360 last year to play Gears of War ... which also was released on the PC ... with additional content which will never be released on the console version ...

You game on PC? I didn't know you gamed on PC. So you want to throw your name in with the PC/PS contingent?


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Its funny how PC gamers only like the 360 games that get ported to the PC, strange how that works out.

That is funny isn't it.

[ilnadmy]

I wonder if Too Human, Lost Oddysey, Splinter Cell 5, Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, and Alan Wake are coming to the PC or PS3?

You'll probably see Splinter Cell, Halo Wars, and Alan Wake on PC.

Its funny how PC gamers only like the 360 games that get ported to the PC, strange how that works out.

And it's funny how Xbots ignore all the PC ports that we completely massacre, like Halo and Halo 2 and Jade Empire and Resident Evil 4. Strange how that works out.

[silversparrow]

Splinter Cell: Conviction and Alan Wake are already confirmed as being PC bound. Now the latter is said to be Vista only, but someone will probably figure out how to get it working under XP (just like they did with Halo 2 and DX10 effects in Crysis).

Now about PC gamers only caring about the 360 games that get ported... Coincidentally Gears of War, BioShock and Mass Effect are touted as the 360s best games and so being able to play them on the PC gives us less reasons to want to get a 360, especially when the enjoyment factor is significantly dampened by playing Russian Roulette with the system every time you turn it on.

Would I like to play Ninja Gaiden II and Too Human? Sure. But those two games alone simply don't me a sufficient reason to pick up a 360.

[Glockstar]

Actually, I think Alan Wake is a PC game first and foremost.

Halo Wars, believe it or not, is not coming to PC. Ensemble and MGS (that's the real MGS: Microsoft Game Studios) say they are just concentrating on making, and maximizing, this for the 360.

Splinter Cell Conviction... I'm sure that will come to PC. Ubisoft isn't stupid.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

You'll probably see Splinter Cell, Halo Wars, and Alan Wake on PC.



And it's funny how Xbots ignore all the PC ports that we completely massacre, like Halo and Halo 2 and Jade Empire and Resident Evil 4. Strange how that works out.

Funnier how nobody cares about PC geeks' critiques of games.

As far as SC coming to the PC, last year I read Ubisoft and MS had agreed to make this a 360 only game. Of course that may have been bunk because someone was saying it might even come to the PS3 now. Who knows?

But there will be more exclusives than those that don't reach the PC those are just the ones off the top...to me the more than just getting the game, how you play the game is as important. Halo3 co-op, R6 co-op, Gears co-op, these are just great experiences that change the game completely. We all know playing a fighting game, RTS, football game or a racing game solo, is NOTHING at all like playing with a human. Taking FPS games co-op is creme baby! Very interested in seeing what co-op features games like Vegas2, Army of Two, and SC5 have in store for the 360 crowd and hopefully the year will end right with Gears2 co-op once again.

[ilnadmy]

Funnier how nobody cares about PC geeks' critiques of games.

Except when we say we like a PC game that's a 360 port. Then you're all ears.

But there will be more exclusives than those that don't reach the PC those are just the ones off the top...to me the more than just getting the game, how you play the game is as important. Halo3 co-op, R6 co-op, Gears co-op, these are just great experiences that change the game completely. We all know playing a fighting game, RTS, football game or a racing game solo, is NOTHING at all like playing with a human. Taking FPS games co-op is creme baby! Very interested in seeing what co-op features games like Vegas2, Army of Two, and SC5 have in store for the 360 crowd and hopefully the year will end right with Gears2 co-op once again.

Aren't you the guy who told me in the Halo 3 thread that split screen co-op isn't as good as online co-op? Well I don't see why online co-op is so far fetched for PC games. God knows the PC has a superior online system to the 360.

[Mochan]

Don't be so sad, you got to play GOW a year earlier, aside from that little bit of extra content, which wasn't much the 360 version was better and controlled better according to reviews.

And they would be wrong because the PC version is clearly superior. Mouse control gives far better precision in aiming, graphics are better and the framerate is WAY better. That plus additional content, it's not even a question.



And that's funny, the idea that this combination is the best. Yeah its the best if you wanna blow a bunch of money and still get spotty online service. But its a free country. But it certainly isn't free enough to where you can play PGR4, Forza, Crackdown, Kameo, Halo3, and bunch of other less heralded games like Naruto and Dead Rising on the PC

Naruto has a whole PS2 franchise you idiot.


I wonder if Too Human, Lost Oddysey, Splinter Cell 5, Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, and Alan Wake are coming to the PC or PS3?

You can bet your ass SC5, Halo Wars and Alan Wake are coming to the PC. To even question this is absurd. BTW Alan Wake was originally PC project first and foremost before MS bought the rights to it. It is concurrently being developed for PC and 360 but as usual a tool like you doesn't know that. Halo Wars is the only title that will remain console exlcusive for a long amount of time.


Its funny how PC gamers only like the 360 games that get ported to the PC, strange how that works out.

You're a tool TMG I've LONG said that I want Culdcept Saga and that has a snowball's chance in hell of coming to the PC. Ilnadmy, DBS, and a lot of other PC gamers here (actually pretty much all of them except for me) were glaring at Mass Effect with the green eyes of envy WAY before this announcement was made.


LOL at TMG valiantly grasping at straws for 360 exclusives, the fact of the matter is the Playstation/PC combo has always been the best because you cover ALL bases. Lost Odyssey and NG2 will likely remain 360 exclusive but the truth is with a PS3 you will get equivalents to these games so you are not missing out that much.

Now compare this to the entire spectrum of gaming you miss out by staying 360 exclusive -- no TBS games, no adventure games, no weird little crap like Katamari Damacy, no Sim games, and you'll see why Silver Sparrow can boldly claim that you don't need much if you have a Playstation and a PC.

Even funnier is that TMG doesn't even care about the remaining 360 exclusives that likely won't be heading to the PC. TMG play Lost Odyssey? LOL biggest joke of the year.

I will admit though the 360 has made great strides to improve its game lineup and you get quirky titles too like Idolmaster and Culdcept, and again the JRPGs are becoming a force on the 360 as well, along with RTS (though played in craptacular fashion), flight sim, etc. good job on the 360 on this part but despite that it will be a rare PC gamer who will pick up the 360 as his console of choice, there's just too much redundancy, the PC gamer will still pick the Playstation as his companion console.

[Mochan]

Halo Wars, believe it or not, is not coming to PC. Ensemble and MGS (that's the real MGS: Microsoft Game Studios) say they are just concentrating on making, and maximizing, this for the 360.

I woulnd't put much stock in that it will be ported to the PC sooner or later, I am willing to bet my avatar and sig on it. Or rather -- they are not lying when they say they are maximizing it for the 360. That is for sure a given. That doesn't mean there are no plans to port it later.


to me the more than just getting the game, how you play the game is as important. Halo3 co-op, R6 co-op, Gears co-op, these are just great experiences that change the game completely.

LOL TMG you are acting as if nobody ever heard of co-op FPS until Live was invented. As an old time PC gamer (or at least you claim to be) you should know well enough that PC FPS have long been able to do Co-Op. Doom 1 had coop that was more than a decade ago. All the Rainbow 6 and Ghost recon games on PC have had coop, and of course being the ignoramus that you are you didn't even know that Gears of War on the PC also has coop.

[Ludicrum]

You game on PC? I didn't know you gamed on PC. So you want to throw your name in with the PC/PS contingent?

Must you be so serious? I was kidding around. Geez.

On an off note, I find it sad and pathetic that video game players need to be broken up into "contingents" in the first place. This isn't the war in Iraq it's pixels on a screen, for crying out loud.

[Ludicrum]

Don't be so sad, you got to play GOW a year earlier, aside from that little bit of extra content, which wasn't much the 360 version was better and controlled better according to reviews. On top of that, you can play the 360 version co-op online, and best of all, since you have a 360 you will probably be playing GOW2 this XMAS, while it will be another few years before the PC version appears.

I appreciate the gesture, but I'm not really sad about the GoW/PC thing, my post was half-joke and half observation about how console ports to PCs are a fact of life. Since I don't play PC games (too expensive) it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. The very most I can say on the subject would be that I would like to see that extra content appear on the Xbox 360 version some time in the future.

I wonder if Too Human, Lost Oddysey, Splinter Cell 5, Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, and Alan Wake are coming to the PC or PS3? Nah, I got no problem with people saying they love PC gaming, but anytime anyone says you can get all the 360 games on the PC or even a lot, that's pure BS. You will miss more exclusives than the PS3 even has at the moment for that matter. The only rebutt possible is to say something stupid like, "oh I don't like those games anyway!" Its funny how PC gamers only like the 360 games that get ported to the PC, strange how that works out.

If you invest in only one platform you will miss out on something. Period. That is why it's been a tradition in my family to own as many consoles as possible. The last fight over which console is superior that I can remember participating in was over whether the SNES was better than the Genesis. I voted SNES, but I realized how silly the whole thing was when I played a neighbor's Genesis and had a blast. Just because I bought a piece of hardware from Company X doesn't mean I've signed up with some kind of militia and have to wage war against Company Y.

My policy: If it has the games, I'll play them. I regret not being able to afford a decent gaming PC because there are a lot of wonderful games on that platform that I'd like to try. A person misses out on something by being console-exclusive as well.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

You guys are missing the point. Nintendo has Mario Party 8 which is one off the wii's biggest selling games on the DS. Does it hurt Wii sells. Does Nintendo care. You guys need to realize that the PC or Games for Windows is a MS platform. It's not about well they lose a 360 sell because you bought it on PC. They get your money either way it's the same pot. Whether they feed you with the right hand or the left. It's the same source.

PC and Xbox fans debating with each other is no different than Halo and Gears of War fans debating. What does MS care???? It's spurring there vision.

And if you buy a PS3 instead of a 360 but still support your PC gaming habit it's no different than me owning both a 360 and PS3. MS is still getting a portion of my gaming dollar. The 360 and the PC aren't in a battle with each other that's a symbiotic relationship there but fanboys fail to see that.

[Mochan]

You guys are missing the point. Nintendo has Mario Party 8 which is one off the wii's biggest selling games on the DS. Does it hurt Wii sells. Does Nintendo care. You guys need to realize that the PC or Games for Windows is a MS platform. It's not about well they lose a 360 sell because you bought it on PC. They get your money either way it's the same pot. Whether they feed you with the right hand or the left. It's the same source.

No, you are missing the point, we aren't anti-MS, we are anti-XBox 360.

Anti-MS is Folken. How many times have I had to point out that my Mobile Phone runs on MS Windows, my PC runs on MS Windows, and hey I have a full blow up of Bill Gates in spandex shorts on my bedroom ceiling! (not)

[Mochan]

I voted SNES, but I realized how silly the whole thing was when I played a neighbor's Genesis and had a blast. Just because I bought a piece of hardware from Company X doesn't mean I've signed up with some kind of militia and have to wage war against Company Y.

Actually, you do, this is System Wars. Damn newbs, need to show them the ropes. :mad:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

No, you are missing the point, we aren't anti-MS, we are anti-XBox 360.

Anti-MS is Folken. How many times have I had to point out that my Mobile Phone runs on MS Windows, my PC runs on MS Windows, and hey I have a full blow up of Bill Gates in spandex shorts on my bedroom ceiling! (not)

I understand that. But MS has placed the Platforms in a symbiotic relationship. It's almost like saying. I'm not Anti Nintendo I'm Anti Wii but I love the DS. While that is a valid view. I'm talking MS here as it relates to losing sales because you are going to buy a PS3. They have you at Windows and your Phone. If you extend your gaming then they really can't do anything to stop that. I don't see MS trying to get PC gamers to over to the 360 especially with everything they are doing to strengthen the the games for windows brand.
I'm just addressing the point that people who play on the PC also picking up a PS3 is a lost to MS.

[ilnadmy]

Do we know for a fact that MS gets money off every game released on Windows? Did MS get royalties when I bought COD4 for the PC? I highly doubt it. Sure, they get money when I buy MS produced games, but they don't get money off third-party software do they?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

no but they get money off of you when you buy windows. They get money when developers who make a game to run on Windows use Direct X and so on.

[Mochan]

I'm just addressing the point that people who play on the PC also picking up a PS3 is a lost to MS.

Just wondering who made that point anyway?

[Glockstar]

Must you be so serious? I was kidding around. Geez.

On an off note, I find it sad and pathetic that video game players need to be broken up into "contingents" in the first place. This isn't the war in Iraq it's pixels on a screen, for crying out loud.

Easy dude. My post was a half joke too. My question was in reference to another discussion going on here, between ilnadmy and myself about PC owners also being PlayStation owners.


I hope you don't really find things "sad and pathetic" here. We were just debating, man. Don't take things so serious, eh? :wink5:

[Glockstar]

I woulnd't put much stock in that it will be ported to the PC sooner or later, I am willing to bet my avatar and sig on it. Or rather -- they are not lying when they say they are maximizing it for the 360. That is for sure a given. That doesn't mean there are no plans to port it later.

Did someone say "bet"?!

You know me and bets. Plus, I just hate that frackin' avatar of yours. Anything I can do to get it to go, I'm going to do. :wink5: Give me a time frame... Because I too think they might port it later... but I say it will be 2 years (if at all).

[Mochan]

BTW wanted to address some of Glockie's earlier points:


As I pointed out, for every Xbox/360 game that gets ported to PC there are 3-4 others that do not. You think that one game is a big deal. Probably because it's PC-flavored. Even if it did come out on Xbox/360 first. The other games, for some odd reason, you ignore. Why no interest in Kameo, or Forza, or Crackdown; or MechAssault, or Crimson Skies, or Kingdom Under Fire before them? I'd wager that it's because, by and large, those games don't suit your, the PC eggheads, tastes.

Glockie, you're acting like the PC gamers on this board don't also play on consoles. While some of the hardcore PC gameres indeed do not like RtR or Hieremias (who is MIA), the majority of us do play and enjoy console games *shock*.

But I've pointed this out before: the games on the 360 that do not get ported are often games that do not have a "PC flavor." You might not like it but many games on the 360 like GRAW on the 360 have a "PC Flavor." This is undeniable. Games like Kameo and Ninja Gaiden, do not. For games like this, I get a Playstation. Why? Because last gen games like this are better found on the Playstation, and in greater quantities. The sad truth is that the XBox never really managed to differentiate itself from the PC, its best and biggest games all had a "PC flavor." But for the "console flavor" the Playstation and the Gamecube easily the better alternative.

This gen the story is a little different: the 360 is making a better effort than the XBox as differentiating itself from the PC, but I am willing to bet the house that when this gen is done, the Playstation 3 will still be better at these kinds of games. For games on the 360 that do not get ported to the PC, you can bet there will be an equivalent experience on the Playstation or even the Wii in one way or another. This was they way it was last gen, and things are already shaping up that it looks the same way this gen.

Dead or Alive ? We got Tekken and Virtua Fighter, thanks.
Ninja Gaiden? We got Devil May Cry and God of War.
Kameo? We got Zelda and I don't know if Uncharted is a good match but whatever
Crackdown? We got GTA
Lost Odyssey? We got Final Fantasy/VS
Kingdom Under Fire -- well this is a PC franchise in case you didn't know but I do realize KOF on the Xbox plays quite differently from the PC versions, but we got the Musou games anyway to cover this thank you.

There are exceptions so far this gen thanks to the youth of the two other consoles such as Idolmaster and Culdcept -- I don't think these have a good equivalent yet on the PS3 but I could be wrong -- but these gaps will be filled soon enough.

So, seeing as these console-flavor games have equivalents that can be had on the other platforms, it makes a better choice to get the other platforms (PS3 or in some cases Wii) which have less redundancy than the 360 with the PC, especially when you factor the RROD into the equation. If the 360 library ever truly pulls far and away from the other two consoles for console-flavored games I may change my tune but right now that hasn't happened yet -- the 360 is pullling away from the other two consoles with PC-flavored titles.

The fact is, the games that DO get ported from 360 to PC are the ones that you XBots all clamor to be the ones that matter the most. These are the games that have a PC flavor, the games that you all like to pimp: Gears of War, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, Bioshock, Call of Duty, Oblivion, Mass Effect, etc. (and I use the term "port" loosely here since a good many of those titles were concurrently developed for both systems and released at the same time).

So until the software library of the 360 reflects a signficantly greater "console-flavor" presence as opposed to "PC flavor", the 360 will be redundant with the PC.


What's weird is that when MS does throw you a bone, gives you geeks a chance to play a great Xbox or Xbox 360 game on your PC - which saves you guys money from having to buy a new system, and still makes them money, because after all, you are still buying their game - you guys scoff or laugh and somehow make it out to be bad thing. Shut the frack up, take your game, go play it, and be happy! Sheesh.

Huh? The people who are picking a bone about PC gamers getting to play 360 games are you XBots. Ilnadmy, PapaSmurf, etc. they're all happy to get Mass Effect. You're the one blowing a gasket here. Sheesh.

[Mochan]

Did someone say "bet"?!

You know me and bets. Plus, I just hate that frackin' avatar of yours. Anything I can do to get it to go, I'm going to do. :wink5: Give me a time frame... Because I too think they might port it later... but I say it will be 2 years (if at all).

Hmm I will probably lose that bet in that time frame but whatever, I'm game. Halo 1 took about 2 years to port, Halo 2 about 3. I'm not 100% comfortable with my bet with just a 2 year timeframe but what's a bet without some uncertainty.

In 2 years after Halo Wars comes out on the Xbox, we will see a PC port. If you lose, we're adding Dororo to our Keroro Platoon here on VGR!

[ilnadmy]

If you lose, we're adding Dororo to our Keroro Platoon here on VGR!

LOL, now that would be something I'd love to see. I don't know who Dororo is, but if he looks anything as goofy as your and Folken's avatars, then I could see how hilarious that would be.

[Glockstar]

Glockie, you're acting like the PC gamers on this board don't also play on consoles. While some of the hardcore PC gameres indeed do not like RtR or Hieremias (who is MIA), the majority of us do play and enjoy console games *shock*.

Well I don't think it's the majority. Not at all. Some of you do, yes; but I think most of you don't. Could be you think the number is higher because you're counting console gamers who also play on their PC.(?) Don't; that's different.

Also, this site - nor any other forum - is going to be an accurate measure of the general gaming public. Forum posters are a niche group; they're pretty much hardcore.


The rest of your post... I'm not going to comment on. Sorry. We're kind of talking in crircles and I'm getting confused about the points we're all making. I've started an argument with too many people now, and my head is starting to spin. (I don't know how tlw does it.)


So I'm just going to reiterate what my primary one's are and leave it at that:

1) Most "PC gamers - gamers who continually invest money into upgrading their PC's - and often times lots of money... more money that it would cost to buy a new console every 4-5 years - are not going to have much of an interest, if any, in a console system. I'm sure there are going to be some - duh; you guys are proof positive of that - but the number is so small that it has no real effect on the System Wars proper.

2) Most Xbox/Xbox 360 games do not come to PC! That is hate-boy hyperbole. Fact is, very few do. The thing about those few tho' is that they're PC-flavored games, and you PC guys make a big deal of them when they come over.

3) It seems like for every one PC/PS gamer who's grateful that that one Xbox/360 game is coming to PC, there are two or three who are going to find a way to somehow bash the Xbox/360, the original Xbox/360 game, and/or Microsoft. You guys can throw your hands up and try to act innocent if you want to, but that kind of behavior is, honestly and simply: hate.

4) It's weird how the haters on this board flip flop on what their primary system is. One day it's the PS3, the next it's the PC. Whichever one most conveniently allows them to express their hate - that's what their primary system is.

5) The fact that one console - specifically a Xbox or a 360 - is all that's needed to play PC-flavored games and console-flavored games is... I don't know, it's like it's completely dismissed by you PC/PS flip floppers. Like having one console that does everything is... heresy, or something.

Furthermore, some of you PC types dismiss the Xbox/360 because you say the same games don't look as good on the Xbox consoles - they're a fraction of a step down, graphically. Though what you never tell us is that it took hundreds of extra dollars and time spent tweaking the settings for you to get that little bit of extra graphical oomph. You know what that is? That's being a snob.


BOOM!; there I said it! Ha haa! :cool:

[Glockstar]

Hmm I will probably lose that bet in that time frame but whatever, I'm game. Halo 1 took about 2 years to port, Halo 2 about 3. I'm not 100% comfortable with my bet with just a 2 year timeframe but what's a bet without some uncertainty.

In 2 years after Halo Wars comes out on the Xbox, we will see a PC port. If you lose, we're adding Dororo to our Keroro Platoon here on VGR!

What the...? How did this turn into a double or nothing bet for me? I don't know what this dororo is, but if it's anything like your avatar - which it sounds like it is - then I can't take this bet!

I'm confused anyhow. It sounds like 2-3 years was your expectation all along. I'm saying 'never', and yet somehow I got the shortest time frame? No no no no no no. I'm out. No deal; no bet. Sorry.

[PapaSmurf]

Well I don't think it's the majority. Not at all. Some of you do, yes; but I think most of you don't. Could be you think the number is higher because you're counting console gamers who also play on their PC.(?) Don't; that's different.

Also, this site - nor any other forum - is going to be an accurate measure of the general gaming public. Forum posters are a niche group; they're pretty much hardcore.


The rest of your post... I'm not going to comment on. Sorry. We're kind of talking in crircles and I'm getting confused about the points we're all making. I've started an argument with too many people now, and my head is starting to spin. (I don't know how tlw does it.)


So I'm just going to reiterate what my primary one's are and leave it at that:

1) Most "PC gamers - gamers who continually invest money into upgrading their PC's - and often times lots of money... more money that it would cost to buy a new console every 4-5 years - are not going to have much of an interest, if any, in a console system. I'm sure there are going to be some - duh; you guys are proof positive of that - but the number is so small that it has no real effect on the System Wars proper.

3) It seems like for every one PC/PS gamer who's grateful that that one Xbox/360 game is coming to PC, there are two or three who are going to find a way to somehow bash the Xbox/360, the original Xbox/360 game, and/or Microsoft. You guys can throw your hands up and try to act innocent if you want to, but that kind of behavior is, honestly and simply: hate.

4) It's weird how the haters on this board flip flop on what their primary system is. One day it's the PS3, the next it's the PC. Whichever one most conveniently allows them to express their hate - that's what their primary system is.

5) The fact that one console - specifically a Xbox or a 360 - is all that's needed to play PC-flavored games and console-flavored games is... I don't know, it's like it's completely dismissed by you PC/PS flip floppers. Like having one console that does everything is... heresy, or something.


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Glockman, check it out. You're the only one hating here. I think I can break down the basis of our arguement faily easily for you to understand why a PS3/PC combo will always be better than owning a 360/PC combo any day of the week. Hell recently, just owning a PC might be better. Bear with me here though because I'm just bringing out games. (for arguements sake i'm only using games that scored higher than 7.9 because for the most part we can all usually agree those are good games).

Arguably, the best games for the 360 in the past couple of years have been Call of Duy 4, Mass Effect, Gears of War, BioShock, Halo 3, GRAW, Lost Planet (? it looks fun and helps my arguement), Orange Box, FEAR, Ace Combat 6, Assasins Creed, R6, Rockband, Oblivion, Forza, <st1:stockticker>PGR</st1:stockticker>, <st1:stockticker>DMC</st1:stockticker>4, GH3, and sports games. These are the games that i've just thought of off the top of my head. These are the games that if I had a 360, I would likely own. There is a huge problem with this list however. Only two of them are exclusive. The rest are either multiplate are headed on their way to multiplatness. The two exclusive games in question are both racing games, one of which has a pretty good counter on the PS3.

Now lets make a list of top games for the PC over the last couple of years. We have Battlefield 2142, WoW, EvE, Call of Duty 4, Crysis, The Witcher, Company of Heroes, Oblivion, GRAW, R6, Supreme Commander, Quake Wars, Neverwinter Nights 2, UT3, Flight Sim X, Gears of War, BioShock, Orange Box, STALKER, and Star Wars Empire at War.

In terms of the PS3, the tops games are Call of Duty 4, Orange Box, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, Resistance, Assasin's Creed, Rockband, GH3, FEAR, UT3, GRAW, <st1:stockticker>DMC</st1:stockticker>4, Oblivion, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, and sports games.

Looking down the road this year in terms of big exclusives: for the PS3 there's <st1:stockticker>MGS</st1:stockticker>4, FFXIII, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, GT5 and Haze. For the 360, NG2, Halo Wars, and Too Human. For the PC Dawn of War: Soulsource, Borderlands, Spore, and Starcraft 2.

Counting these games up, if I own just a PC I'm missing 10 (not counting games like Halo 3 and Mass Effect) currently, and 10 games down the road on consoles. Of those games I would be missing out on 2 of them are exclusive to the 360, 2 are multiplat PS3/360 and the other 6 are are PS3 exclusive. Of the upcoming exclusives, 7 are PS3 exclusive compared to 3 360 exclusive games.

If I own just a PS3 I'm missing out on 18 current games, 12 of which are PC exclusive, 4 of which are shared or will be shared between the 360 and PC, and 2 360 exclusives. Upcoming games, I'm missing out on 8+ games. This is a hard stat since I don't know which PC games will be ported to 360 and vice versa, but of those 8+, 3 are exclusively PC, 3 are exclusively 360, and 2 are shared between PC and 360 (Huxley and Alan Wake, possible others.

Now if only own a 360, I miss out on 19 games. 6 of which are exclusive to PS3, 1 shared between PS3 and PC (UT3) and 12 exclusive PC games.
Now for the telling results and clearly why it is better to own a PS3/PC rather than a PC/360 combo.
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If I own a PS3/PC combo, I’m missing out currently on two whopping games. 2!!!!!! Both of which are effin racing games. <st1:stockticker>PGR</st1:stockticker> and Forza. Adding in future games I miss out on 3 more games. If I own a 360/PC combo I’m currently missing out on 6 games, all of which are pretty unique games when compared to eachother. Now adding in future exclusives, I’m missing out on 7 more games destined for the PS3.
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PC/PS3 = currently missing out on 2 good games, possibly 5 total by years end (games that aren’t out yet are unproven)
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PC/360 = currently missing out on 6 good games, possibly 13 total.


I just dont' see how you can argue this stat. That is almost a 3 to 1 ratio of games you're missing out on. Now future games are unproven and there might be some good ones that come out that aren't on my list, but that stat could go both ways. + or - the ratio I have now. Plus just going on current games that have been proven it currently is a 3 to 1 ratio. I'm counting games like Mass Effect and AC6 which we know are going other places.

Also despite any sort of sales, clearly the PC has the most variety and the least ammount of missed out games. As a gamer it doesn't affect us if the games are selling on the consoles, just as long as they make it to the PC. I still think owning a gaming PC is the way to go becaue it covers almost everything. However owning just one game device, you will always be missing out, so if you have to go with 2 clearly the PS3 is the best 2nd choice. It's no contest. I've laid down the stats above. There may be some inaccuracies, but I gurantee you not enough to make up a 3 to 1 ratio of good games you will miss out on.

Keep in mind this is a list of quality, not games sold. We're gamers first and foremost. PS3/PC gives the most options (even if you don't like those options game rankings sorts that out for the majority of us.). With this list of facts I'm very interested to a see a counter arguement.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

And they would be wrong because the PC version is clearly superior. Mouse control gives far better precision in aiming, graphics are better and the framerate is WAY better. That plus additional content, it's not even a question. Wrong idiot, because of the nature of the game, the way you run, the covering mechanic, a few sites claim it isn't as easy to pull off on the PC unless you use a 360 controller. Also, they say the extra content is so small you aren't missing anything really. But like I said, so what, i'd rather get the game on time than wait a year, and the PC gets the extra content and we get GOW2 hopefully by XMAS.



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Naruto has a whole PS2 franchise you idiot.
</b>Yeah a whole crappy franchise that is NOTHING like the 360 game jackarse. These games are night and day compared to the 360 version.


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You can bet your ass SC5, Halo Wars and Alan Wake are coming to the PC. To even question this is absurd. BTW Alan Wake was originally PC project first and foremost before MS bought the rights to it. It is concurrently being developed for PC and 360 but as usual a tool like you doesn't know that. Halo Wars is the only title that will remain console exlcusive for a long amount of time. </b>Last year everything you bet your ass on, you lost fool. All of that talk that 360 was dead after Halo3, Microsoft was thinking about getting out of gaming, 360 is dead without Bioware and Bizarre. Knucklehead everything you say turns out to be wrong! We will see when and how many of these games will make it to the PC.





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LOL at TMG valiantly grasping at straws for 360 exclusives, the fact of the matter is the Playstation/PC combo has always been the best because you cover ALL bases. Lost Odyssey and NG2 will likely remain 360 exclusive but the truth is with a PS3 you will get equivalents to these games so you are not missing out that much. </b>I guess that's why 360 exclusives are selling more than PC and PS3 exclusives combined. If it is the best combo, nobody is paying attention. Expecially in a recession. Why would anyone spend the money it takes to build a nice rig(not a cheapie $600 rig) and then go buy a PS3? When you can just buy a 360 and get all of the same games anyway for the most part?
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Now compare this to the entire spectrum of gaming you miss out by staying 360 exclusive -- no TBS games, no adventure games, no weird little crap like Katamari Damacy, no Sim games, and you'll see why Silver Sparrow can boldly claim that you don't need much if you have a Playstation and a PC.</b> No adventure games, fool I guess you've never heard of Kameo, Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones is coming, Assassin's Creed, and there are other adventure games out and coming. There are like 5 RTS on the 360 with two more coming this year, and none on the PS3. Katamari Damacy and other little crap games are on the 360, including XBLA, in fact 360 has way more niche games than PS3. I suggest you browse the 360 catalogue because you are seriously not knowin' couzin.

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Even funnier is that TMG doesn't even care about the remaining 360 exclusives that likely won't be heading to the PC. TMG play Lost Odyssey? LOL biggest joke of the year. </b>Just because i don't like a game or a franchise doesn't mean the game isn't there for someone else to enjoy. Plus i'm pretty sure my gaming taste is more varied than you, plus you are just a dumb-ass game pirate, so you don't contribute shiz to our hobby. I've played this generation everything from Kameo and Viva to Rachet and Scene-It to LOTR BFME to Alien Hominid to Forza2 to M.E., when you are just a pirating tech-whore playing crappy FPS PC tech-fests.

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I will admit though the 360 has made great strides...</b>Save it, the 360 is the single best platform for gaming right now, period! Now maybe the PS3/PC combo is better than a lone 360, maybe it isn't. But the fact that it is debatable speaks volumes about how great the 360 library is.

t<b>a rare PC gamer who will pick up the 360 as his console of choice, there's just too much redundancy, the PC gamer will still pick the Playstation as his companion console.</b>Wrong, more PC gamers are abandoning the PC for 360 than any other platform. First, it all started with XBOX and has continued. Microsoft with the XBOX and the 360 are singlehandedly more responsible than Nintendo and Sony for bring not only PC gamers to consoles, but also PC games, developers, and publishers. This is a fact that cannot be questioned. PS3 is barely getting in on the act, and is NOT making any of these developers money like 360 is. Can't wait to see more PC developers abandon the PC, GTR should be great on the 360, Crysis should be great too. :thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

plus you are just a dumb-ass game pirate, so you don't contribute shiz to our hobby.

Anyone up for a game of ad hominem tennis?

[PapaSmurf]

I will admit though the 360 has made great strides...Save it, the 360 is the single best platform for gaming right now, period! Now maybe the PS3/PC combo is better than a lone 360, maybe it isn't. But the fact that it is debatable speaks volumes about how great the 360 library is.



Thing is, it's not even debatable. Having a lone PC is better than having a lone 360, which I proved in my above post, unless you absolutely need a game the first day it comes out. Even then, then the issue might become debatable. Having a lone 360 atm, is better than owning a lone PS3 (in terms of gaming), I'll give you that. Question is for how much longer. However there's just no way you can prove to me if you were a PC gamer that you would rather have a 360 as a secondary console as opposed to a PS3 and that's the arguement here.

PC > 360 > PS3 PC/PS3 > PC/360. Refer to my above post for all the info you'll need.

Btw, the wireless controller for the 360 is supported for the PC in every MS published game, so you can just throw that out the window.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Thing is, it's not even debatable. Having a lone PC is better than having a lone 360, which I proved in my above post, unless you absolutely need a game the first day it comes out. Even then, then the issue might become debatable. Having a lone 360 atm, is better than owning a lone PS3 (in terms of gaming), I'll give you that. Question is for how much longer. However there's just no way you can prove to me if you were a PC gamer that you would rather have a 360 as a secondary console as opposed to a PS3 and that's the arguement here.

PC > 360 > PS3 PC/PS3 > PC/360. Refer to my above post for all the info you'll need.

Btw, the wireless controller for the 360 is supported for the PC in every MS published game, so you can just throw that out the window.

Papa there is so much wrong with your analysis but I don't have the time today to go in circles with you, though i'd like to. I mean you named 3 exclusives this year for the 360, when we know that's wrong, there are other exclusives on the way like Fable2 is a biggie. You said something about the only true exclusives are two racing games? What? I guess Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Halo3 aren't true exclusives, you even mentioned Ace Combat 6 yourself, that is also exclusive, as well as other great games like Chromehounds and Kameo.

Anyway, i'm glad you like PC gaming, but if your thoughts were correct the PC wouldn't be getting trounced in software sales. People this generation are going where the games are. And this year 360 will have more than 3 exclusives. Again, PC+PS3 is a strong combo, but it isn't the most efficient combo for your dollar, that's the most expensive combo you could make and you still miss out on a lot. But enjoy your PC gaming, while it lasts.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

If you honestly think PC gaming is dying, i.e. in several years developers will stop making games for the PC completely, then you are seriously a retard. Honestly.

[PapaSmurf]

Ace Combat 6 is a timed exclusive as claimed by a pro xbox magazine OXM. Every Halo has ended up on PC, and as with Mass Effect, it's not a matter of if but when.

Now I'm no expert on upcoming 360 games, and as I said in my last post there be some inaccuracies, but I also said that a couple of games that I may have missed doesn't really change the original ratio I mentioned, unless you have more games to mention than Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Fable2 (even though Fable 1 ended up on PC, I'll be generous and give that to you). With the 3 games you mentioned it's now 8 to 13 ratio. Even with AC6 and Halo 3 it's a 10-13 ratio. Your still missing out on more games. Oops, I forgot Motorstorm (PS3) and World in Conflict (PC) legit RTS in the original post so now we're at 10-15. So your ratio improved to 2:3 and that was with me being generous for timed exclusives that you think are true.

Most efficient combo for my dollar!? We've been over this many moons ago as well. For 600$ you could build a PC that can do what a 360 can do and then some. Put in the fact that PC games are 20$ cheaper and I don't have to pay extra for online, the PC is most efficient for my dollar. You answered that post with a mentality that the 360 is better than the PC. The only arguement you can bring up is software sells. Thing is the games are still coming to PC. Hell even more games are coming now like DMC4 and Assasin's Creed that normally wouldn't have seen PC versions. Companies are still making money of PC gaming, it's not like there isn't a profit. Sure they might make a console version, but as long as I have my PC, my bases are more covered than if I just relied on console gaming.

Enjoy PC gaming while it lasts? Console gaming has outsold PC gaming by a good chunk for last decade or so. I see no signs of slowing for PC gaming. I do see console gaming beginning to be as expensive as PC gaming though with not as good graphics, refer to last paragraph. If I were you I'd be enjoying the hay day of the 360 while it lasts.

P.S. There are no PC games in my playing games list because I gave up PC gaming for lent, cuz it's that legit.

[Mochan]

PapaSmurf just to point it out I think World in Conflict is coming to the 360.

[Mochan]

What the...? How did this turn into a double or nothing bet for me? I don't know what this dororo is, but if it's anything like your avatar - which it sounds like it is - then I can't take this bet!

I'm confused anyhow. It sounds like 2-3 years was your expectation all along. I'm saying 'never', and yet somehow I got the shortest time frame? No no no no no no. I'm out. No deal; no bet. Sorry.

LOL Glockie, didn't know what a chicken you were. 2 years was YOUR idea I went along with your bet, don't give me this shortest time frame crap it came from your mouth. Besides, the shorter the time frame, the better your chances. If I gave you a longer time frame I am more likely to win. And of course it's a double or nothing, a bet isn't much of a bet if you don't put something on the line right?

You can chicken out if you want but we've seen just what a keyboard warrior you are, the moment the heat turns up and you have to put something on the line you can't do it. I'll never let you live it down, you shall forever be known as the Coward Who Ran Away from the Mochan.

[ilnadmy]

you shall forever be known as the Coward Who Ran Away from the Mochan.

LOL..

[Glockstar]

LOL Glockie, didn't know what a chicken you were. 2 years was YOUR idea I went along with your bet, don't give me this shortest time frame crap it came from your mouth. Besides, the shorter the time frame, the better your chances. If I gave you a longer time frame I am more likely to win. And of course it's a double or nothing, a bet isn't much of a bet if you don't put something on the line right?

You can chicken out if you want but we've seen just what a keyboard warrior you are, the moment the heat turns up and you have to put something on the line you can't do it. I'll never let you live it down, you shall forever be known as the Coward Who Ran Away from the Mochan.

Talking smack... That's alright; you have the right. I could expect that.

But look, even if we made it, it would have been a screwy bet anyway. First, I doubt that either of us would remember it in two years time. But second and most important, I doubt that you'll still have that gawdawful avatar up in two years; thus I wouldn't even need the win; the point would be moot.

[Mochan]

Damn it and I was just about to prepare your avatar for your eventual loss:

http://haomama.com/iposer/UserFiles/Image/200607_keroro/dororo.jpg

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Ace Combat 6 is a timed exclusive as claimed by a pro xbox magazine OXM. Every Halo has ended up on PC, and as with Mass Effect, it's not a matter of if but when. I keep hearing AC6 is a timed exclusive, but i've seen nothing concrete to suggest it coming to the PC or PS3. You gotta remember it would be hard to implement this game on the PS3 due to the online component which was built around LIVE.

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Now I'm no expert on upcoming 360 games, and as I said in my last post there be some inaccuracies, but I also said that a couple of games that I may have missed doesn't really change the original ratio I mentioned, unless you have more games to mention than Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Fable2 (even though Fable 1 ended up on PC, I'll be generous and give that to you). With the 3 games you mentioned it's now 8 to 13 ratio. Even with AC6 and Halo 3 it's a 10-13 ratio. Your still missing out on more games. Oops, I forgot Motorstorm (PS3) and World in Conflict (PC) legit RTS in the original post so now we're at 10-15. So your ratio improved to 2:3 and that was with me being generous for timed exclusives that you think are true.</b>Wait on the one hand you said you proved the PC is better than the 360 alone, and now you revert back to arguing PCPS3 vs 360. Which is it? This is why I say, that it <i>could</i> be true the PCPS3 is better than 360 alone, but 360 is the BETTER than the other two alone easily based on the games. And yeah you kinda did miss a few others, plus you are downplaying the significance of waiting a year or two years. For example, the PC world had to wait 2 years for Halo2 and when the game released it ravaged by a few of the PC press because the game wasn't upgraded at all. Can you imagine playing a 2 year old 360 game on a modern PC? So yeah, time is a big factor, especially when it is +1 year. But other games you missed include Saint's Row, Chromehounds, Viva Pinata, Blue Dragon, Overlord, PGR3 + 4. You are also dismissing important factors like online gaming. Take a person who loves fighting games, he can play VF5 Online, DOA Online, and Naruto Online. You might think that's nothing to sneeze at, but it is the combined effect of exclusives, delays, online games, and online services that makes 360 the best platform by far. This is why 360 is dominating the hardcore market in the US right now and is responsible for more revenue than PS3 and PC combined x 4.

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Most efficient combo for my dollar!? We've been over this many moons ago as well. For 600$ you could build a PC that can do what a 360 can do and then some. Put in the fact that PC games are 20$ cheaper and I don't have to pay extra for online, the PC is most efficient for my dollar. You answered that post with a mentality that the 360 is better than the PC. The only arguement you can bring up is software sells. Thing is the games are still coming to PC. Hell even more games are coming now like DMC4 and Assasin's Creed that normally wouldn't have seen PC versions. Companies are still making money of PC gaming, it's not like there isn't a profit. Sure they might make a console version, but as long as I have my PC, my bases are more covered than if I just relied on console gaming.

Enjoy PC gaming while it lasts? Console gaming has outsold PC gaming by a good chunk for last decade or so. I see no signs of slowing for PC gaming. I do see console gaming beginning to be as expensive as PC gaming though with not as good graphics, refer to last paragraph. If I were you I'd be enjoying the hay day of the 360 while it lasts.

P.S. There are no PC games in my playing games list because I gave up PC gaming for lent, cuz it's that legit.</b> I understand all of your points, but I don't agree with them. Not going to restate things I've already stated in other threads. It just isn't that important because right now the PC is not a threat, and right now in the US the PS3 is getting throttled by the 360. So at least for US gamers this question has largely been answered and if all of the value of a PCPS3 combo you point out is true, then gamers just don't see it. They don't put the same kind of value or lack of value on these things as you do. You might be willing to wait one year for Gears and 2 years for Halo2 and think when you get the game, it is the same experience, but most gamers aren't reaching the same conclusions as you are when they do the analysis.

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Whoa, I actually understood your thinking there in that last post. Thing is I think you and me are arguing different things. Alot of your post was largely on the emphasis of console gamers choosing a 360 over a PS3, or that's what I'm getting.

Wait on the one hand you said you proved the PC is better than the 360 alone, and now you revert back to arguing PCPS3 vs 360. Which is it?
I think the original point of the thread and the original question of the discussion was why do PC gamers generally choose the PS3 as their companion of choice instead of a 360 (after we all wet are pants that we were getting Mass Effect so soon). My mentioning of a PS3 combo was that it would be better than a 360/PC combo. You have to realize from a gamer standpoint that we could and should care less about sells of something as opposed to what I can get. The PS3/PC pro people in this thread are all PC gamers first and foremost (or at least I think they are).

360 is the BETTER than the other two alone easily based on the games. . You are also dismissing important factors like online gaming (http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?t=10540&page=3#). Take a person who loves fighting games, he can play VF5 Online, DOA Online, and Naruto Online. You might think that's nothing to sneeze at, but it is the combined effect of exclusives, delays, online games, and online services that makes 360 the best platform by far. This is why 360 is dominating the hardcore market in the US right now and is responsible for more revenue than PS3 and PC combined x 4.
Dismissing online gaming. If the majority of online gaming I did was on the PS3 you might have a point. Or if I liked fighting games. To bring fighting games into this arguement is more or less irrelevant anyways. Again we're talking about PC gamers and I would bet the lot of us could give a rats about fighting games. I think the last fighting game I even owned was on the PS1. Yes fighting games might bring some people to the 360, but that's particular taste and PC gamers have particular tastes and I'll tell you fighting games aren't one of them. You act as if games don't get delayed on the 360 coming from PC (Crysis, C&C3 anyone?). As for online service and online games PC has this won and has had this won hands down (unless you want to play fighting games I suppose...). Coming to exclusives. I figure it's a mix of selection and preference. I'll take Company of Hereos, BF2142, STALKER, Flight Sim X, The Witcher, Sins of a Solar Empire (new RTS I'll get it when I'm over my backlog) over Saint's Row, Viva Pinata, Blue Dragon, Overlord, Chromeshounds, and PGR anyday. I'll also take better, improved (graphically and content wise) versions of 360 games with a little delay (like you used to with PS2 to XBOX games remember???) like Gears of War and Mass Effect. Bioshock and The Orangebox are better play on the PC as well imo.

And yeah you kinda did miss a few others, plus you are downplaying the significance of waiting a year or two years. For example, the PC world had to wait 2 years for Halo2 and when the game released it ravaged by a few of the PC press because the game wasn't upgraded at all. Can you imagine playing a 2 year old 360 game on a modern PC?
I don't agree with this point for a couple of reasons. The one game (series if you will) you mentioned Halo, is one of the only games that had a 1+ year delay. From xbox to 360 delays have usually been at most 6 months. This includes games like Fable, KOTOR 1 and 2, GRAW, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, BioShock (simultaneous release no?). Even Gears of War is still great and that game had added content for us. So with that the majority of the time it really isn't a factor. The 2nd reason and main reason I don't agree with this point (and maybe this is only for me) is because I already don't have the time to play all the games I own. I own Bioshock, Uncharted, and Company of Heroes: Opposing Forces and Gears of War. The commonality about all these games is I bought them all in 2007 and have yet to touch them. Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4, Rainbow Six: Vegas are other games I own that I've maybe put in an hours worth of campaign modes. I'm truly backlogged on games right now. Can't even tell you the number PS2 games I still have to beat. Hell I'm just getting around to finishing FFIX for PS1. Games may be delayed, but a great game is still a great game. PC gamers did not tear apart Gears, cuz it was a good game. Halo on the other hand, not bad, but not all that and a bag of chips. You also fail to realize that alot of us PC guys played Halo on the xbox, but it's just so hard for us because we love keyboard and mouse set-up for that particular genre. Back to the delay of games though, I know I'm not the only one backlogged on games to play. Throw the online component in there and theresunlimited (to an extent) replayability. A game like BF2142 could be the reason why I haven't touched some other games or MMO's like FFXI. If you have the time to play all these games back to back and finish them when they come out, then I salute you. Thing is I don't think the majority of people do.

I understand all of your points, but I don't agree with them. Not going to restate things I've already stated in other threads. It just isn't that important because right now the PC is not a threat, and right now in the US the PS3 is getting throttled by the 360. So at least for US gamers this question has largely been answered and if all of the value of a PCPS3 combo you point out is true, then gamers just don't see it. They don't put the same kind of value or lack of value on these things as you do. You might be willing to wait one year for Gears and 2 years for Halo2 and think when you get the game, it is the same experience, but most gamers aren't reaching the same conclusions as you are when they do the analysis.
You say the PC isn't a threat. I don't really understand this point in the context of the arguement. Again we're not arguing game sells and what not. The PC isn't a threat to the 360 as the 360 isn't a threat to the PC. I feel as though it's a bit of symbiotic relationship. You'd rather game with controller in terms of FPS, I'd rather game with a keyboard and mouse, and the rest of the PC guys are in that camp. TMG I agree, for an average person that knows nothing about PC's the 360 as for a single gaming platform would be the way to go. It's easy and simple has a good assortment of games. However if you have a PC competency and know what the hell you are doing the PC will beat out any single console. My best gaming experiences have occured on the PC and the vast majority of the best games that came out last year are on the PC. When I say majority I mean as a PC gamer I missed out on Mario Galaxy, RE: Umbrella Chronicles, Uncharted, and Ratchet and Clank. However using that list a 360 wouldn't solve that issue either.

I feel as though you're using the arguement that more people are buying stuff on the 360 so that automatically makes it better. I don't want to really argue that on the point of I may have used that arguement as well when defending the PS2 last generation. In this position as a PC gamer, you see a games like Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, and The Orange Box that get released on the PC and 360 and you scratch your head. One arguement I've yet to even use (that was used all last gen) is that COD4 is alot better on the PC than on the consoles. Ditto Orange Box and Bioschock. In terms of COD4 and Orange Box the games online are vastly different just because servers can support more people. The glaring issue to me though is how the games play. I've played COD4 on the 360/PS3/ and PC. I'm sorry, but the PC version blows the console versions out of the water graphically and that's on a budget PC. Games may sell more on the consoles, but that means nothing to me if I can still get it for PC. Hell I haven't even mention mods for reasons that PC is better (it really opens games like HL, KOTOR, Oblivion, etc.) I suppose I understand xbot arguements last gen now as well (though I still believe the PS2 had better exclusives).

I didn't mention the PS3 to help the PC in that arguement. I stand it on it's own and I thing it's better than owning a just a 360. Now with that. If you are a PC gamer as in the first paragraph, the 2ndry console of choice has to be between a Wii and PS3. There is just too much redundancy from PC to 360 and back to warrant a purchase. I did all the math already (admittedly some inaccuracies), but if a PC gamer is going to buy a console, exclusives gained from both a PS3/PC is going to outweight exclusives gained from putting a 360/PC together. PC/Wii even out does it. That was really the point of my first arguement.

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I think the original point of the thread and the original question of the discussion was why do PC gamers generally choose the PS3 as their companion of choice instead of a 360 (after we all wet are pants that we were getting Mass Effect so soon). My mentioning of a PS3 combo was that it would be better than a 360/PC combo. You have to realize from a gamer standpoint that we could and should care less about sells of something as opposed to what I can get. The PS3/PC pro people in this thread are all PC gamers first and foremost (or at least I think they are). </b>I think a few statements were made by your and the guys here who think like you. The first was you said you PROVED the PC is better than the 360. But you didn't, you just proved it to yourself. Second you said that the PC/PS3 is a better combo than the PC/360, again, something you proved to yourself or to the handful of guys who agree with you here. But this is not a scientific sample. I think in the US it is fare to say that most guys 20-35 years old, who make up the majority of hardcore gamers, have a PC! To the extent that in the US the 360 has sold 10 million while the PS3 has only sold 3.8 million, it is dead wrong to say that PC gamers are choosing to adopt a PS3 over a 360 as a secondary gaming system.



<b>As for online service and online games PC has this won and has had this won hands down (unless you want to play fighting games I suppose...). </b>Again this is something you have convinced yourself of, I disagree wholeheartedly. Of course the final answer comes down to personal choice. So i'm not saying I disrespect your thoughts. But here are my personal reasons why I think gaming on XBLA is better than PC gaming. First, I use to PC game online heavily. Across multiple genres from hack and slash games like Diablo, to RTS like Age of Empire, Total Annihialation, C&C, to racing games to Flight Sims, to shooters. The experience is very doable, but it just isn't as convenient as XBLA. Some games are supported by gaming services, some games aren't there isn't a single level of high quality services and consistency. Now I know you are going to say I can use my cell phone, or ICQ, or a myriad of other things to mimic what XBLA does so seamlessly and consistently. But let me tell when you only have an hour after you've worked all day or have to go to work, you want ease, quickness, reliability. You want to see who is online, what are they gaming on, send msg, send voice, send text. You have a centralized placed to check out demos and now movies, and of course the LIVE arcade.

<b> Coming to exclusives. I figure it's a mix of selection and preference. I'll take Company of Hereos, BF2142, STALKER, Flight Sim X, The Witcher, Sins of a Solar Empire (new RTS I'll get it when I'm over my backlog) over Saint's Row, Viva Pinata, Blue Dragon, Overlord, Chromeshounds, and PGR anyday. I'll also take better, improved (graphically and content wise) versions of 360 games with a little delay (like you used to with PS2 to XBOX games remember???) like Gears of War and Mass Effect. Bioshock and The Orangebox are better play on the PC as well imo.</b>I know you would, but more people are turning to their 50 and 60 inch LCD, premium sound systems, gamepads and controllers, but also wheels, and dance pads, and other types of input devices, most people are turning to their nice leather sofas and recliners, most people think 1080p or 720p is quite comparable to PC graphics, most people enjoy popping in a game and not having installs and patches and crazy authentication processes, having to shut-down processes and twiddle with settings. I know it isn't overly complicated, but still it is a layer of complexity most people no longer feel the benefit is worth. And the games, you are largely talking about single player interaction experiences. When you are talking about entertaining an entire family or guests, most people aren't going to gather around the computer. From games like DDR to GH to Scene-it to kids games like Kameo and Viva to co-op games to sports games to fighting games if gaming with OTHER people is a big thing in your household, PC gaming is just not going to get it done. And exclusives, I agree are down to choice and preference.

<b>I don't agree with this point for a couple of reasons. The one game (series if you will) you mentioned Halo, is one of the only games that had a 1+ year delay. From xbox to 360 delays have usually been at most 6 months. This includes games like Fable, KOTOR 1 and 2, GRAW, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, BioShock (simultaneous release no?). Even Gears of War is still great and that game had added content for us.</b>Well again, we just agree to disagree. Of course the consoles lag with some games like FEAR and HL2 etc, but the best games are being released now on the consoles first, the very best studios are on the consoles now. So more and more these hot PC games end up not competing very well with console projects and that never use to be the case. But when you look at the facts that most of the prominent studios from the PC heyday are solely or primarily console-centric and very soon Valve and ID(whose next project is coming first to console) will jump ship with the others, the creme is on the console side. Talent is going to go where the money is and this trend will only get better or worse from your perspective. So you will be waiting more and more longer and longer.

<b> So with that the majority of the time it really isn't a factor. The 2nd reason and main reason I don't agree with this point (and maybe this is only for me) is because I already don't have the time to play all the games I own. I own Bioshock, Uncharted, and Company of Heroes: Opposing Forces and Gears of War. The commonality about all these games is I bought them all in 2007 and have yet to touch them. Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4, Rainbow Six: Vegas are other games I own that I've maybe put in an hours worth of campaign modes. I'm truly backlogged on games right now. Can't even tell you the number PS2 games I still have to beat. </b> Again it is hard to tell what you are advocating here? Is it the PC or PCPS3 or now PCPS3PS2. I guess it is just anything but a Microsoft console.

The one problem people who think the 360 is redundant have is the fact the PS3 is more redundant than the 360. At this point if you are going to dismiss most of the 360 exclusives then how does the PS3 argument fit? At some point you begin to look a bit irrational and your argument just sounds like MS hating. Because you can't tell me that the exclusives on the PS3 which PS3 fans aren't even buying as much as they are buying the multiplats make the PS3 more attractive. RFOM, HS, Uncharted, Lair, Motorstorm are more attractive than Halo3, PGR3+4, Forza, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Saint's Row, Kameo, Chromehounds etc. Not to mention the delay up to a year for games like Gears, Lost Planet, Condemned? I mean hey if that's how you feel, cool. But you are an individual, millions of other people at least here in the US are looking at it and going the other way. I think their decisions are more rational than yours. I think gamers in the states, unlike other territories that have a very very strong Sony bias, gamers here are making rational lucid choices and saying where can I get the best gaming experience, let me look at all the factors.

And believe me, you aren't the only one with a backlog of games, I haven't even played Assassin's Creed, Crackdown, Deadrising, PGR4, heck I haven't even finished Forza, haven't even looked at AC6 and VF5 as well as many others I had an interest in last year, that's just on 360!



<b>You say the PC isn't a threat. I don't really understand this point in the context of the arguement.</b>I don't see the PC as a threat to the availibility of future 360 projects. I think of the PS3, PC, and 360, the first place developers will go to most often is the 360. When you look at the tech, the ease of development, the sales you will get, publishers and developers are saying we need to be on 360 more than any other platform right now. The PS3 and PC are kinda tied for second imo. And when you look at some of the big name projects that have flamed out on the PC and PS3 this makes 360 even more viable. Consider that UT3 Epic decided to make 360 wait, dumb move. The game sold like crap on PS3 and the PC and cost tens of millions to develop and advertise. A so-called crap game like Kane & Lynch sold 800,000 copies on the 360! Ubisoft decided to yank Haze from the 360 and focus on PS3, that project still has yet to see the light of day and won't do squat on the PS3. Now I know there are tons of smaller games on the PC and PS3, but when it comes to big budget high profile games, it is financial mistake to not look at 360 first. So I don't really care what the game sells, but the sales are important because it makes your platform more viable.

<b>The PC isn't a threat to the 360 as the 360 isn't a threat to the PC. I feel as though it's a bit of symbiotic relationship.</b>No, the 360 has already demonstrated it is a very big threat to the PC. Over the years XBOX and 360 has virtually hi-jacked a host of PC developers. When you look at the fact COD2 was ported over to the 360 by IW, it sold like it never did on the PC. Then COD3 skips the PC entirely(yeah I know not IW) but then IW comes back with COD4 that is clearly limited by the consoles. Go back and look at the history of the Clancy games, the Bioware games, heck now you got Bioshock selling like mad, Epic with the Gears franchise which has done better than anything they've done recently, now they are making comments to the effect that they are console-centric. And upcoming Cry-tek! Heck you even have RTS getting in on the act. This all due to the XBOX and 360, the PS3 is has not been responsible AT ALL yet for this movement.

<b> TMG I agree, for an average person that knows nothing about PC's the 360 as for a single gaming platform would be the way to go. It's easy and simple has a good assortment of games. However if you have a PC competency and know what the hell you are doing the PC will beat out any single console. </b> It has nothing at all to do with PC competency. People can easily figure out how to slap a machine together and cobble together all of the gaming services to do what they want. But the question is not how, the question is simply why should I? Before, there were compelling reasons, now those reasons no longer exist and there are compelling reasons to NOT PC game.



Again, these are my reasons. And I know there are a bunch of PC gamers who don't agree and I know you don't agree. But I think you need to look at the big picture, look at the trends, look at the migration of talent, or simply look at the dollars. You know the people who created Crysis seem to be very talented and i'm sure they are proud to have created the best looking game ever. But pride doesn't pay the bills. I'm sure they'd settle for creating the best looking console game ever and settle for selling 8-10 million copies as opposed to 1 or 2.