PS3 Dies Just Like 360!!! [Archive] - VideoGameReview Forums

ThaMaskedGamer

02-09-2008, 07:52 AM

Think PS3 is a quality piece of hardware? Think again. After only a few months and after surely less than 100 hours of usage(games + movies) my PS3's blu-ray laser crapped out on me. Yup! While watching Coming To America no less on Blu-ray the screen froze then went black. I turned it back on and the system was working fine, but it never read another disc of any kind. Tried cleaning it with a lens cleaner and then all of Sony Helpdesk BS troubleshooting procedures, nada. The laser won't read any disc at all.

Its weird because since the day I got it i've been having problems reading discs and I just thought it was because blu-ray is so fussy, any little dust or dirt, but it looks like I just had a faulty laser from the jump and it finally died! So now I have no 360 and nor a PS3!!

I thought, surely this problem is rare, looked it up on the net and tons of people seem to have failing and problematic lasers or lasers that died like mine did. Sounds familiar to me, hmm didn't this sort of thing happen with oh umm i don't know, THE PS2?

The customer service guy wasn't surprised, he knew I'd have to send it in from the jump, after I described the problems he said, "sounds like you might have to send it in" then we tried some simple crap like turning it off and on, resetting the PS3, as if i hadn't tried that. So automatically they aren't going to fix it, they are going to send me a factory refurb as soon as they get mine. I asked him if it would be a new unit, nope, factory refurb! Just like Microsoft. I told him I thought this only happened to 360 and he chuckled.

I'll say this, my 360 was pushed HARD for 2 years before it died, this PS3 was babied! I was thinking about which system is best to buy multiplats and now the PS3 has no advantages. No rumble yet, worse online, long game installations and now crappy hardware too. I'm also not going to buy any Blu-ray movies. I think Blu-ray is just to delicate as a technology, I don't trust it.

Oh well, not too upset because this is not costing me any money, though time is money. I think as well as fixing your unit they should throw in a free game for the waste of time and burden. I just bought Burnout and DMC4 for it. What worries me is long-term. Sony's warranty is only one year, and I know they made a lot of money last gen because people ended up buying three four or five PS2s. I'd hate to buy all of these games, get a nice expensive wheel, extra controllers etc and then have the thing die on me post warranty. But now i'm in a position where I have to think about babying this damn thing. I'm already thinking about buying a stand-alone upconverting DVD player to play non-HD disc to take some of the burden off the PS3. Anyway, good job Sony:thumbsup:

Cuddly Knife

02-09-2008, 07:59 AM

LOL, what a bummer, man. That is the exact thing that happened to me a coupla weeks ago, but only with my PS2 instead. The system turns on, but it doesn't read any discs, be it games, movies, or CDs.

I've heard a few rumblings about faulty PS3s, but nothing near the problems that the 360 has had. The only things I've ever experienced are game freezes, but like my 360, that was when I first had my system, and now there seems to be none.

Mochan

02-09-2008, 08:09 AM

Sorry to hear that TMG but think of it as Karma for all the hate you poured on the PS3 before you bought one!

T.Tashi

02-09-2008, 10:23 AM

So uh, the PS3's hardware rate is 33%? or 20% or 10% or even 2%?

Gamer's Wii failed, I guess the Wii is like the 360 too. :rolleyes:

Glockstar

02-09-2008, 12:14 PM

So now I have no 360 and nor a PS3!!

Don't tell me you're going to get a Wii now.

No but seriously, that's a bummer dude. You'll have your 360 back soon tho', and then things will be alright.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-09-2008, 12:27 PM

Don't tell me you're going to get a Wii now.

No but seriously, that's a bummer dude. You'll have your 360 back soon tho', and then things will be alright.

LOL...naw never that. Can't stoop that low. I have no idea when my 360 is coming back, I haven't even called nor will I call for either of them.

As far as the PS3's failure rate I wouldn't be surprised if within 2 years there are a lot of laser problems. Remember, there aren't a lot of PS3s out there, there aren't a lot of good games either. I wonder what will happen when people start using these things as much as XBOTs use their 360s? Plus due to the skewed nature of the lack of good games, a lot of use for early adopters is going to come after the one year warranty has expired. Anyway, we will see.

As for Mochan's Karma, karma my azz. Ohhh whoever said the PS3 was overpriced and not worth $600, their system will break. Whoever said for the better part of a year the PS3 didn't have any great exclusives and got its arse kicked by 360, ohh their system will break. If telling the truth about what we all saw with our own two eyes warrants karma, a lot of peoples systems will break along with mine. Plus you don't even have one, so that still speaks to what you think about the PS3 and its games or lack thereof.

Tappy_Tibbons

02-09-2008, 02:03 PM

I had 3 PS2s die on me. No Xbox consoles have died for me as of yet.

trebor

02-09-2008, 03:06 PM

My Wii had a bad disc drive, so I sent it in to Nintendo and less than two weeks later it was back, fully repaired and with an extra 1 year warranty.

Now, mind you, even with the bad disc drive the Wii still read discs and functioned normally (still played games). Just a testament to how well built Nintendo hardware is - even when it's broken it still works. I only sent it in because my 15 month warranty was almost up, and I figured I should have it repaired for free. No refurbished units, no 2 month waits, no bull**** whatsoever.

Just amuses me to see Xbot retards dissing the Wii when they've been taking it up the ass from MS from day one.

Rogue Bounty Hunter

02-09-2008, 06:53 PM

Sorry to hear about your PS3, TMG.

This is the first I've heard of a PS3 going ka-plop.

Mochan

02-10-2008, 01:40 AM

As for Mochan's Karma, karma my azz. Ohhh whoever said the PS3 was overpriced and not worth $600, their system will break. Whoever said for the better part of a year the PS3 didn't have any great exclusives and got its arse kicked by 360, ohh their system will break. If telling the truth about what we all saw with our own two eyes warrants karma, a lot of peoples systems will break along with mine. Plus you don't even have one, so that still speaks to what you think about the PS3 and its games or lack thereof.

Look TMG, I hate to rub salt in the wound and I know you're just bitter that your gaming consoles are all dying like flies on you, but the fact is you got unlucky and the PS3's failure rate isn't anywhere near what the 360's is. With the 360 it was just a matter of when, with the PS3 at least you'd have to be really unlucky (like you) to have it die on you so fast.

You actually believe that the PS3 is overpriced and has no great games blah blah (it's the truth right? We all know how much you whined about Uncharted and all the other "great" PS3 games) yet you still bought one anyway, so god knows why you even bought one when you could have just waited for your 360 to come back or done any other number of things other than buy the console you have had it in for for the past year, so who's the tool here? Don't go calling the PS3 crap like the 360 when you are the sore thumb sticking out with a string of bad luck.

The karma bit is a SysWars joke man lighten up. I don't relish my fellow gamers not being able to game anymore than I would if I were unable to game. Not being able to game is not funny.

Now, mind you, even with the bad disc drive the Wii still read discs and functioned normally (still played games). Just a testament to how well built Nintendo hardware is - even when it's broken it still works.

Well my PS1 had a bad drive too and it still functioned for 3 years before I finally put it into the cold freezer.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-10-2008, 05:14 AM

ThaMaskedGamer

02-10-2008, 05:39 AM

Look TMG, I hate to rub salt in the wound and I know you're just bitter that your gaming consoles are all dying like flies on you, but the fact is you got unlucky and the PS3's failure rate isn't anywhere near what the 360's is. First of all i'm not bitter, it is just a fact the thing died. You want me to suger coat that too? I barely used it, it died, that's a fact. And it is also a fact that other people are having problems with the PS3 lasers. It has nothing to do with karma or bad feelings. The PS3's failure is no where near the 360s, true, but we will see as the PS3 goes on what happens with it. That's all I am saying. When usage goes up with the PS3 it will be interesting to see how well it holds up.

With the 360 it was just a matter of when, with the PS3 at least you'd have to be really unlucky (like you) to have it die on you so fast.Why is this such an improbably event in your mind? PS2 didn't do so well, why after one year are we so sure PS3 machines are going to be rock solid for 3 or 5 or 10 years.


You actually believe that the PS3 is overpriced and has no great games blah blah (it's the truth right? We all know how much you whined about Uncharted and all the other "great" PS3 games) yet you still bought one anyway, so god knows why you even bought one when you could have just waited for your 360 to come back or done any other number of things other than buy the console you have had it in for for the past year, so who's the tool here? Don't go calling the PS3 crap like the 360 when you are the sore thumb sticking out with a string of bad luck. Just like whacko you have a problem accepting the truth and comprehending what people wrote. I believed the PS3 was overpriced at $600 and at $500, and so did the marketplace!

At $400 I BELIEVE the PS3 is priced just fine. I believed the PS3 didn't have enough great exclusives and I still believe that! but it does have great multiplats.

I had a problem with Uncharted? Oh because I didn't say the game was 100% and the greatest game ever. I said it was a great game about 83-85% cant remember exactly what rating I gave it. But the game did have problems including one of the most crappy ending EVER. Did you play it? Didn't think so. When or if you ever do, you will see Uncharted is far from the greatest game of last gen, not even close to a GOTY candidate. But it did look good so you should like that.

You don't have to know why I bought one, even though I've told people why I bought one, the fact is I bought one because I wanted to. And you are just as ignorant as WHACKO, you believe I bought a PS3 after my 360 failed:rolleyes: I have had my PS3 since november, long before my 360 failed.

I appreciate your concern, but I suggest you either learn to pay attention to what people write before you respond or just shaddup:thumbsup: My PS3 didn't die because I have bad luck, it died becasue it was a piece of crap. Because two cheap consoles break on a person do not mean they have bad luck, I have had a lot of good things going on lately, so this is water off my back. But they both did fail, one after two years of heavy use, and one after a few months of light use.


The karma bit is a SysWars joke man lighten up. I don't relish my fellow gamers not being able to game anymore than I would if I were unable to game. Not being able to game is not funny.
 It isn't even not being able to game that's the real problem. The real problem is PS3 was the main option for my new TV in terms of movies. We had 4 blu-ray movies in from Netflix and then the 5 movies from Sony came in. So now I have to go to netflix and change everything to DVD lol. Wow, after HD-DVD and Blu-ray, i'm back to square one DVD. As far as games we got games up the whazoo, they just aren't electronic. All this will do to me personally is make me practice my guitar more in my free time. Which isn't such a bad thing.

Gadfly2317

02-10-2008, 07:34 AM

why after one year are we so sure PS3 machines are going to be rock solid for 3 or 5 or 10 years.

With a run of bad luck like that maybe the universe is telling you to game less! Sorry you are having such a run of bad luck lately.

Anyway, I've never felt certain the Ps3 will be rock solid for years, though I'm certain it isn't the debacle the 360 is. I make sure it is well ventilated. Electronics die. I've had my original DS repaired at 11 months into its 12 month warranty (shoulder button quit working) and my original Gamecube--which I still have-- died a month AFTER the warranty expired (the week Zelda Windwaker came out) and Nintendo fixed it for free anyway. And I played the hell out of it and it still works to this day.

Never had my Ps1 or Ps2 die, and the Ps1 in particular was shlepped everywhere and got played about a bazillion hours by a lot of different people. Played the Ps2 a lot as well, but it wasn't an early machine.

The 360 failure rate is effin messed up. That is a bad product. Ps3, so far it looks like a small percentage failure of the laser. That's hardly reason to go back to lo-def movies, man. They are fixing your laser, and odds are the machine should run for many problem free years. Don't over-react. If you are going to continue to support MS, there's no reason to bail on Sony just because you got your bad luck out of the way early.

As to the monkey-faced Tappy and his "3 ps2's dying on him"--isn't this the guy that gamed on Xbox and put a 1000 hours into Castle Wolfenstein on PC during the Ps2 years? What the hell games did tappy play on Ps2 to put in the kind of hours needed to kill 3 of them?

ThaMaskedGamer

02-10-2008, 09:02 AM

I haven't explained myself well I see.

With a run of bad luck like that maybe the universe is telling you to game less! Sorry you are having such a run of bad luck lately. Well if that is the case then the universe must be telling me to give up gaming, because if I game any less I may as well not be gaming at all. Plus my PS3 died when I was watching a movie, so yeah that makes a lot of sense.

The reality is I was lucky with the 360, not unlucky. My unit lasted 2 years no problems before it died. And after 2 years I get it fixed FOR FREE or may even get a new unit, and when I do that will have an additional warranty on it.

With the PS3 I was unlucky, again, after 3 months of barely using it, compared to hard usage of the 360, it died! Certainly it was just a piece of crap! I got it randomly, I could have easily gotten a well built unit, but I didn't and i'm telling the truth no more no less. But there does appear to be laser problems with the PS3. If any mass problem exists, it seems it will be the laser, just like last time with the PS2. And we will see down the line if this is big problem.

I personally didn't know these problems existed with the PS3. But there are quite a number of people who are having laser problems with the PS3. So in the end, it may not be luck at all, just crappy lasers. That's all i'm saying. If I hadn't found webpages of people with this problem and people cracking open their PS3s to fix this problem themselves, I woulda just thought it was me. But it isn't.


The 360 failure rate is effin messed up. That is a bad product. Ps3, so far it looks like a small percentage failure of the laser. That's hardly reason to go back to lo-def movies, man. I am not going lo-def because I want to Gadfly, i'm changing all my movies under NETFLIX to DVDs because my PS3 is broke and if I want to watch movies, it will have to be regular DVDs until I get the PS3 back, do you read me?

I am thinking about buying a 1080P HDMI upconverting DVD player because #1) when I do get my PS3 back, I don't want to stress the fragile laser by playing regular DVDs in it. #2) waiting for Blu-ray dvds in Netflix takes too damn long, so some movies that don't necesitate a great picture, i'll just get on regular DVD

Now I already said i'm not buying a bunch of Blu-ray movies and that is true. I'm not. The format isn't proven and the war isn't totally over. Blu-ray hasn't excelled as a stand-alone consumer electronics product. Also I don't want to accumulate a bunch of Blu-ray discs and then my PS3 dies outside of warranties and I say bye-bye PS3 you aren't worth replacing. The reality is this, if my PS3 dies post-warranty and as a game machine 360 continues to beat PS3 then I won't be buying another PS3. I'm not going to be buying 2 and 3 replacement PS3s. I know you didn't have to do that last gen, but a lot of PS2 owners did. So all i'm saying is i'm going to be cautious. So that basically means sticking to DVDs, renting games first, and then just buying the best games for each system going forward.

 They are fixing your laser, and odds are the machine should run for many problem free years. Don't over-react. If you are going to continue to support MS, there's no reason to bail on Sony just because you got your bad luck out of the way early. I'm not bailing on Sony, I don't have the years of problem free gaming with Sony I've had with MS. I've gotten 2 years of great gaming from MS this generation so they have earned my trust. They fixed my 2 year old console and will give me another 1 year warranty when I get it back. Sony is not going to do that. So i'm just going to be cautious with Sony. Sony has yet to build ANY goodwill with me in terms of the PS3 product. So you and I see the Playstation brand name from different perspectives. Plus the reality is the two games i'm playing now, BO:P and DMC4 are both on 360. So it isn't like I was even getting some unique gaming experience on the PS3. Sony was still in the prove-it-to-me phase of customer loyalty and they still have some ways to go only now they have to prove to me not just that they can get some good exclusives but also that their machine is reliable.

Gadfly2317

02-10-2008, 09:11 AM

I am not going lo-def because I want to Gadfly, i'm changing all my movies under NETFLIX to DVDs because my PS3 is broke and if I want to watch movies, it will have to be regular DVDs until I get the PS3 back, do you read me?

I am thinking about buying a 1080P HDMI upconverting DVD player because #1) when I do get my PS3 back, I don't want to stress the fragile laser by playing regular DVDs in it. #2) waiting for Blu-ray dvds in Netflix takes too damn long, so some movies that don't necesitate a great picture, i'll just get on regular DVD

I know where you are coming from. I have an upconverting DvD player too, but I decided to unhook it and use the hell out of the Ps3. If its gonna have a problem due to a weak or fautly part, I want to have it happen sooner rather than later. I've been gaming almost exculsively on Ps3 (sorry Wii) and watching all my DvD's and Blu-ray movies on the Ps3. The other day I gamed twelve hours almost non-stop and then watched movies on it all evening.

And it never felt hot.

All I'm saying is, treat like your 360. Use the hell out of it and any early bugs like faulty lasers, you'll get those things replaced under warranty, like what you are doing. It sucks that you are one of the 3-5% with a faulty Ps3 (that's definitely a manufacturer defect) but you're getting it fixed and the Ps3 should give you thousands of hours of use.

If we start seeing some time-delay mass failure rate of Ps3's, then I'll change my tune. Until then, by all accounts, the Ps3 is better hardware, and for my tastes, the software is there too.

T.Tashi

02-10-2008, 11:11 AM

NEO-360

02-10-2008, 11:16 AM

I haven't explained myself well I see.

Well if that is the case then the universe must be telling me to give up gaming, because if I game any less I may as well not be gaming at all. Plus my PS3 died when I was watching a movie, so yeah that makes a lot of sense.

The reality is I was lucky with the 360, not unlucky. My unit lasted 2 years no problems before it died. And after 2 years I get it fixed FOR FREE or may even get a new unit, and when I do that will have an additional warranty on it.

With the PS3 I was unlucky, again, after 3 months of barely using it, compared to hard usage of the 360, it died! Certainly it was just a piece of crap! I got it randomly, I could have easily gotten a well built unit, but I didn't and i'm telling the truth no more no less. But there does appear to be laser problems with the PS3. If any mass problem exists, it seems it will be the laser, just like last time with the PS2. And we will see down the line if this is big problem.

I personally didn't know these problems existed with the PS3. But there are quite a number of people who are having laser problems with the PS3. So in the end, it may not be luck at all, just crappy lasers. That's all i'm saying. If I hadn't found webpages of people with this problem and people cracking open their PS3s to fix this problem themselves, I woulda just thought it was me. But it isn't.


The 360 failure rate is effin messed up. That is a bad product. Ps3, so far it looks like a small percentage failure of the laser. That's hardly reason to go back to lo-def movies, man. I am not going lo-def because I want to Gadfly, i'm changing all my movies under NETFLIX to DVDs because my PS3 is broke and if I want to watch movies, it will have to be regular DVDs until I get the PS3 back, do you read me?

I am thinking about buying a 1080P HDMI upconverting DVD player because #1) when I do get my PS3 back, I don't want to stress the fragile laser by playing regular DVDs in it. #2) waiting for Blu-ray dvds in Netflix takes too damn long, so some movies that don't necesitate a great picture, i'll just get on regular DVD

Now I already said i'm not buying a bunch of Blu-ray movies and that is true. I'm not. The format isn't proven and the war isn't totally over. Blu-ray hasn't excelled as a stand-alone consumer electronics product. Also I don't want to accumulate a bunch of Blu-ray discs and then my PS3 dies outside of warranties and I say bye-bye PS3 you aren't worth replacing. The reality is this, if my PS3 dies post-warranty and as a game machine 360 continues to beat PS3 then I won't be buying another PS3. I'm not going to be buying 2 and 3 replacement PS3s. I know you didn't have to do that last gen, but a lot of PS2 owners did. So all i'm saying is i'm going to be cautious. So that basically means sticking to DVDs, renting games first, and then just buying the best games for each system going forward.

 They are fixing your laser, and odds are the machine should run for many problem free years. Don't over-react. If you are going to continue to support MS, there's no reason to bail on Sony just because you got your bad luck out of the way early. I'm not bailing on Sony, I don't have the years of problem free gaming with Sony I've had with MS. I've gotten 2 years of great gaming from MS this generation so they have earned my trust. They fixed my 2 year old console and will give me another 1 year warranty when I get it back. Sony is not going to do that. So i'm just going to be cautious with Sony. Sony has yet to build ANY goodwill with me in terms of the PS3 product. So you and I see the Playstation brand name from different perspectives. Plus the reality is the two games i'm playing now, BO:P and DMC4 are both on 360. So it isn't like I was even getting some unique gaming experience on the PS3. Sony was still in the prove-it-to-me phase of customer loyalty and they still have some ways to go only now they have to prove to me not just that they can get some good exclusives but also that their machine is reliable. Sorry to hear that TMG. My 360 is still kicking. Hopefully this will stop happening to you.:cool:

ThaMaskedGamer

02-10-2008, 12:33 PM

The issues I read about the laser diodes were pre-launch. You gotta link that's not over a year old about CURRENT laser problems and not fanboy conjecture? The PS2 and PS3 are entirely different machines with completely different disk drives, different manufacturing facilities, etc.. It makes no logical sense to hypothesize that because the PS2 had laser issues the PS3 will. No fact there at all.

The Asus EEE I bought the wife for Valentines... died the 3rd day with 3-4 hours of me trying out the various programs. So I got an RMA and back to newegg it went. But I didn't find one site or forum about any mass defect issues the Asus EEE is having. It happens.

I didn't bother to check the dates, I was just looking for some troubleshooting help to see if it was something out there I could do to avoid having to call Sony.

I think the fact that this happened with the PS2 and Sony was less than forthcoming about it lends to the idea that Sony could very well be keeping this hush hush. I'm not saying this is the same part that was on the PS2. Remember, when I talked to the service rep he knew as soon as I described my problem it was coming back, plus he already knew they were sending me a refurb. That leads me to believe they are well versed in dealing with this problem.

One blogger even said something about there is a difference between the early laser diodes Sony was using and the ones they are using now.

Regardless of what you believe, and I guess now the theory is as an XBOT I bought a PS3 and damaged it so I could come here and brag that the PS3 is just as faulty. But regardless of what you believe the fact is some people are having this problem. I've had this problem. Unless my machine was hand assembled by one employee on his first and last shift ever at Sony, there is a very good possibility a batch or a number of batches of systems were manufactured with the same part or in the same faulty way. We just don't know. Certainly as soon as I got my unit I was having problems with it reading games. I would take out the disc and clean it, even though it was lint and dust free. Ironically this hadn't been a problem the last few weeks though.

And I even think it was you who had the same problem with Conan right? Well if your screen goes blank and you have to reset your machine, just don't be surprised if your laser doesn't read another disc again.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-10-2008, 12:41 PM

Sorry to hear that TMG. My 360 is still kicking. Hopefully this will stop happening to you.:cool:

Thanks dude, this is all new to me, never had stuff break on me in general in the past. But within the last year I had a TV die on me and now two consoles now. Only the TV was a total loss.

Anyway I've had some great things happen over all recently so it is hard to get upset or think i'm unlucky.

I think buying the 40G was a bit like buying a brand new design, they had just switched over, and probably started slapping these things together as fast as they could. Who knows?

Anyway, i'm thinking about doubling down on the 360. I always said if my 360 died after it was repaired i'd just trade it in and get a new Falcon HDMI unit. I might just do that when I get it back. Good luck the rest of the way with yours.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-10-2008, 01:23 PM

trebor

02-10-2008, 01:38 PM

Maybe you will be equally amused by your own ignorance. My 360 lasted longer than your WII, and had better games:thumbsup: And I had a 3 year warranty:thumbsup:

Excuse me, Mr. Reading Comprehension, but I just said that despite my Wii having a bad disc drive, it still functioned and played games - your 360 went completely dead.

Plus, when you bought the 360 it only had a 1 year warranty, correct? Or was it a 90 day warranty? So hard to recall. The only reason you have a 3 year warranty is because M$ is avoiding a major class-action lawsuit by finally acknowledging they pawned off a ****ty electronic item to the public and had to cover their own asses.

Better games is subjective, chum. Your 360 doesn't have Fire Emblem or Super Mario Galaxy, so it fails in my eyes.

thelastword

02-10-2008, 04:19 PM

Here is just ONE of the forums I found when looking into this issue. Note I am not a member of this forum and never heard of it or used it before. There are also other forums where people have been increasingly reporting PS3 deaths.

PS3 B.L.O.D. Issues (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/906288.html)

What's so funny here is that initially it starts with one guy complaining, then next you know its a flood of people. And as with anything, if there is one vocal person there are probably 100 more who are silent.

It is interesting to note that Sony previously was repairing units, now they are just replacing them. I asked the guy if I could get mine repaired since it was so new and he said nope! This kinda pisses me off and the unit I get back better not have a visible damn scratch on it! I mean it really does suck to have something brand new and then you get back some used bullsh*t. I don't care how long it would have taken to repair, I would have rather gotten my unit back or a brand new unit.

But anyway it isn't like its a dog, so maybe i'm just overreacting. But still it is something distinctly wrong about a consumer having something new, then it go bad and the company replacing it with a used unit from heaven knows where. Where else does this happen aside from consoles?What a shameless and meandering hypocrite, you certainly did not make that much noise when your 360 went down. Hell, how long has it been at the MS repair shop? almost the same length of time as you owning a PS3? Weren't you the guy denying how effed up RROD was? Prior to the insider's report, weren't you the guy going around in circles trying to dab the issue. Hell, your 360 died and you were still being apologetic....even now, you are still making worthless and bs excuses on how the 360 has given you two years...of what? (great gaming)....lol.

Weren't you the tool who claimed RROD was overblown? So a 30% failure is overblown? and now, all of a sudden, your PS3 dies, the only guy/loon on VGR to have come across a faulty PS3, (something you suspected may have been wrong from the time you got it, not because of wear and tear in 3 months) and you want to blow this up to the same level of "disgusting" that is the 360 situation? So let me ask you, where exactly do you draw the line?

How many xbots like yourself had failed 360's? not on Gaf, not anywhere else, I'm talking right here, in this lonely part of the woods, yes, this dusty windy town? So, don't tell me that you were breaking sticks in your ears, cause certainly, there were quite a few. Hell, the majority of xbots here, has had broken 360's, amidst all that, you continued to suck at MS's ass juice chamber, via straw. So now you come to us with this bs and hypocritical circular mess, hell, you are so desperate, you are even projecting how many PS3's you assume will break by talking ass about broken PS2 systems you never owned and based on a defective system your lonely loony self got at VGR.

It's gets even crazier, because right now you're projecting how defective you believe PS3's will be, certainly too dense to realize that you should have changed the PS3 the first time you realized it had an issue reading discs. So you go to some lame Australian forum and you quote the the most fanboyish xbot there (tasmanian guy) as noted in your link, and come here to say the same childish and bsing bile, blue laser of death right? I'm sure.....Dude, get done.

When you go to a sight and hear ass like "Sony stopped production of the 60gb because it was breaking down at an alarming rate" You know that forum is made up of a bunch of loons, just like yourself. When you go to a forum and guys says "My PS3 died, why? because it doesn't exist, I only game on PC " you know that's a joke thread, just attracting bsing fanboys. Hell, even then, you had so many guys saying they had no issues, but you want to blow this pathetic lonely thread from down under at the same gust as 360's RROD. Thing is you're sad, you're pathetic. It's clear you miss the PS3, moreso than the 360 (the game with all the games) lol.....b!tch please.

T.Tashi

02-10-2008, 04:35 PM

I didn't bother to check the dates, I was just looking for some troubleshooting help to see if it was something out there I could do to avoid having to call Sony.

I think the fact that this happened with the PS2 and Sony was less than forthcoming about it lends to the idea that Sony could very well be keeping this hush hush. I'm not saying this is the same part that was on the PS2. Remember, when I talked to the service rep he knew as soon as I described my problem it was coming back, plus he already knew they were sending me a refurb. That leads me to believe they are well versed in dealing with this problem.

One blogger even said something about there is a difference between the early laser diodes Sony was using and the ones they are using now.

Regardless of what you believe, and I guess now the theory is as an XBOT I bought a PS3 and damaged it so I could come here and brag that the PS3 is just as faulty. But regardless of what you believe the fact is some people are having this problem. I've had this problem. Unless my machine was hand assembled by one employee on his first and last shift ever at Sony, there is a very good possibility a batch or a number of batches of systems were manufactured with the same part or in the same faulty way. We just don't know. Certainly as soon as I got my unit I was having problems with it reading games. I would take out the disc and clean it, even though it was lint and dust free. Ironically this hadn't been a problem the last few weeks though.

And I even think it was you who had the same problem with Conan right? Well if your screen goes blank and you have to reset your machine, just don't be surprised if your laser doesn't read another disc again.

I had problems with Conan, Enchanted Arms, Assassin's Creed and Puzzle Fighter. I noticed games tend to run into trouble with there are processes running in the background, like the information ticker, downloading a game or video while playing or having the media servers enabled. Every problem I had I was able to track to one of these. But hey if you want equate problems with Conan to some kind of hardware failure, feel free. The problem with Conan occured only at the last boss fight in the game. I had that issue no where else in the game and I've never had another problem like it be it game, video, bluray or dvd. I was able to reproduce the issue 6 times, and every time, it was that last boss fight. I lay that at the developer's doorstep.

The Austrailian forum is interesting, but far from indicative that the PS3 is having problems in the same league as the Xbox360. When the PS3 failure rates hits 30% or I'm able to Google BLOD and get the same types of results as when you Google RROD, then you'll have more than a conspiracy theory.

But on the real tho, I'm sorry it happened. And no I don't you broke it on purpose. You ain't that crazy. :p

thelastword

02-10-2008, 04:54 PM

On the debut of Smash Brother's, many gamers have indicated that they are having issues with the Wii reading the disc, due to dirty, smoky lens. It's an issue, because smash is the Wii's first Dual layered Dvd and is more sensitive to the accumulated dust on the lens than single layers. It's also something gamers will not be able to fix properly on their own, so it is a bit itchy. Should I write a whole bsing essay on how Wii is badly engineered?

Dancer's Wii died, should I project how many Wii's die in the future for the same reason his did, you're not in this for the right reasons. If the 360 was a properly engineered console with a diverse enough library, that could distinguish itself well enough against the PS3 and the PC, I would own one. I owned an xbox (still do) for the said reason. I don't bash consoles just for doing so sake, I lay the fury on bs that should not exist, and is simply not for me. I still remember that I was the lone wolf who wanted Nintendo to make a console for the hardcore this gen, sadly, but I already saw the direction MS would be heading, and RROD has just effed things up way beyond the lack of variety on that console.

theWacoKid

02-10-2008, 05:18 PM

ThaMaskedGamer

02-11-2008, 11:02 AM

Hey, clueless, if your ps3 was acting up from day one, you should've returned it and got a new one. Problem solved. You've heard of this thing, right, a return window. With EB its two weeks. Instead, retardmundo keeps his ps3 and babies it. I put in 100 hours in two weeks time, easy, on my ps3.

And now, like the brain deficient baboon you are, you're here equating some imaginary blue laser of death scenario to RROD. Your ps3 probably realized what a jerk you are, and committed suicide on its own.

It didn't seem to be nothing more than dust or lint on disc, except for Conan which gave me the same problem it gave Tashi, except I stuck it out and finished. After I started just exceedingly cleaning all my disc before I put it in, I stopped having the problem. I just thought Blu-ray was extremely sensitive to dust. I always make sure there are no smudges or fingerprints on my discs in any player I have, but blu-ray seems very sensitive to the slightest dust or lint. Or I guess it was just a faulty laser, if I had of known that I would have returned it. But again, the problem went away. I had a few problems with R&C, no problems with Uncharted, no problems with RFOM, BO:P, had started Spider-man and DMC with no problems. So it seemed to be a cleanliness issue not a fault.

Certain of you guys seem to have a distinct inability to read. My 360 died after 2 years of hard usage, my PS3 died after a few months of light usage. That's my anecdote, that's what happened.

Nor did I baby my PS3 for fear of it failing, I babied the PS3 because there was NOTHING TO PLAY FOR IT. And BLOD maybe imaginary for you but it is real for a lot of people who are experiencing it, and it is certainly something Sony is now accustomed to dealing with. They pretty much have their procedures well in place for this issue.

Funny how fanboys react when they realize their favorite console might have an issue. What are you afraid you are going to have to slit your wrist if your PS3 dies too, after all the crap you talked about 360?

And wow, 100 hours on your PS3, i've put 30+ hours into M.E. alone. You aren't even close to pushing your PS3.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-11-2008, 11:13 AM

I had problems with Conan, Enchanted Arms, Assassin's Creed and Puzzle Fighter. I noticed games tend to run into trouble with there are processes running in the background, like the information ticker, downloading a game or video while playing or having the media servers enabled. Every problem I had I was able to track to one of these. But hey if you want equate problems with Conan to some kind of hardware failure, feel free. The problem with Conan occured only at the last boss fight in the game. I had that issue no where else in the game and I've never had another problem like it be it game, video, bluray or dvd. I was able to reproduce the issue 6 times, and every time, it was that last boss fight. I lay that at the developer's doorstep.

The Austrailian forum is interesting, but far from indicative that the PS3 is having problems in the same league as the Xbox360. When the PS3 failure rates hits 30% or I'm able to Google BLOD and get the same types of results as when you Google RROD, then you'll have more than a conspiracy theory.

But on the real tho, I'm sorry it happened. And no I don't you broke it on purpose. You ain't that crazy. :p

RROD had its incubacy period before anyone knew what was going on. As I said before that forum is not the only one there are many others. Certainly Sony has pretty solid procedures in place for how to react to this, that have changed over time(if you read the responses) so they seen it often. But as I have said at least 4 times in this thread already, we will see over time if this becomes a mass problem. Its funny people getting indignified over the mere suggestion of such as thing. As if this is above Sony, when the very same thing happened last generation and appears to be a problem now even if just a minor one. It is real it is happening to people, it will take time to see how widespread it is or isn't. Just keep your receipt handy cause that's one thing they demand you have for service.

Fivespot

02-11-2008, 11:16 AM

ThaMaskedGamer

02-11-2008, 11:40 AM

What a shameless and meandering hypocrite, you certainly did not make that much noise when your 360 went down. Yeah I made more and I said long ago MS should replace faulty systems with new systems.

 Hell, how long has it been at the MS repair shop? almost the same length of time as you owning a PS3? No genius i just shipped my 360 back on FEB 5th, you clearly have me confused with someone else, get your facts straight. Oh wait, facts never meant anything to you.

 Weren't you the guy denying how effed up RROD was? Prior to the insider's report, weren't you the guy going around in circles trying to dab the issue. Hell, your 360 died and you were still being apologetic....even now, you are still making worthless and bs excuses on how the 360 has given you two years...of what? (great gaming)....lol. If saying MS did a good thing by swallowing a $1 Billion, if saying MS should replace all systems with new ones is making excuses, then yeah i'm that guy. If telling people they should run their system without extra cooling and unusual circumstances to find out if they have a failure is dabbing the issue, yeah i'm that guy.

I knew RROD existed and so I wasn't going to pull a WHACKO when my system died and cry like a school girl. Plus i'm going to give MS a fair shot at making me a happy again. But I did make a post, just like this post when my 360 went belly-up, EXCEPT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS MY 360 LASTED FOR OVER 2 YEARS and my PS3 did not! So forgive the HELL out of me if I seem more lenient with MS! Though i'm sure it is just you because both of my posts about both of my failures are very matter of fact. The reality is Sony lovers are and always have been very sensitive.


Weren't you the tool who claimed RROD was overblown?No I said your mom has over blown!


So a 30% failure is overblown? and now, all of a sudden, your PS3 dies, the only guy/loon on VGR to have come across a faulty PS3, (something you suspected may have been wrong from the time you got it, not because of wear and tear in 3 months) and you want to blow this up to the same level of "disgusting" that is the 360 situation? So let me ask you, where exactly do you draw the line?

How many xbots like yourself had failed 360's? not on Gaf, not anywhere else, I'm talking right here, in this lonely part of the woods, yes, this dusty windy town? So, don't tell me that you were breaking sticks in your ears, cause certainly, there were quite a few. Hell, the majority of xbots here, has had broken 360's, amidst all that, you continued to suck at MS's ass juice chamber, via straw. So now you come to us with this bs and hypocritical circular mess, hell, you are so desperate, you are even projecting how many PS3's you assume will break by talking ass about broken PS2 systems you never owned and based on a defective system your lonely loony self got at VGR.Sorry couldn't even digest your babble. One thing that is silly is the notion that the PS3 can't have an issue. Well it certainly can and just like RROD started quietly this certainly could also. Unless like I said, me and the hundreds if not thousands of other people who have had this happen are faking it to make guys like you go nuts.


It's gets even crazier, because right now you're projecting how defective you believe PS3's will be, certainly too dense to realize that you should have changed the PS3 the first time you realized it had an issue reading discs. You are to dense to realize that even if I had of changed it, IT STILL HAD THE PROBLEM! And what everytime I get a disc glitch i'm suppose to go run and dislodge devices from my A/V setup and run back to the store where they will ask, did you clean the disc? Umm yes. And what happened? It played after I cleaned the disc! Oh okay, surrrrrrrre we will change your unit, even though it seems to be working fine! Idiot, i've been dealing with audio/video/computer technology since the 80s I know when there is a problem. I guess the 2 months or so of smooth running since then should have clued me in to the fact it was dying.:rolleyes:

You truly are the last load, the load that made you should of ended up right in the toilet bowl. Instead, it didn't and now we have to deal with you. Get off my thread head smoka:thumbsup:

ThaMaskedGamer

02-11-2008, 11:50 AM

I'm on my second PS3. First had a faulty laser although mine froze only on Blu-ray movies and not videogames. Traded it back for a new one very quickly otherwise I might have been in the same boat as TMG a few months later.

And I wouldn't be surprised if others on this board have had this issue also. Even though you got yours swapped out within 30 days, it still happened. I wish mine had of stopped completely in some way(movies or games) within 30 days, but it didn't. It seemed to be fine close to the last 2 months not one glitch during a movie or a game. And in fact we were right at the end of the movie we were watching and the screen blacked out. So this is definitely a laser problem and to no surprise Sony has new lasers coming out.

The real problem I see is due to the nature of the component. I think the problems will not occur as rapidly as RROD did, I think it could be much more gradual and 2 or 3 years down the line people's systems will die, post warranty. The good thing is you can buy a replacement laser for $30 and the installation is suppose to be pretty easy.

Maybe this is the way to go in the future, modular console design.

T.Tashi

02-11-2008, 12:09 PM

RROD had its incubacy period before anyone knew what was going on. As I said before that forum is not the only one there are many others. Certainly Sony has pretty solid procedures in place for how to react to this, that have changed over time(if you read the responses) so they seen it often. But as I have said at least 4 times in this thread already, we will see over time if this becomes a mass problem. Its funny people getting indignified over the mere suggestion of such as thing. As if this is above Sony, when the very same thing happened last generation and appears to be a problem now even if just a minor one. It is real it is happening to people, it will take time to see how widespread it is or isn't. Just keep your receipt handy cause that's one thing they demand you have for service.

I think what most find undigified is your heavy handed reaction now and your almost nonexistent reaction to the 360's proven debaucle from everything to defective parts, and shoddy design to not having proper metrics in place to safeguard QA to rushing the product to market. I'm willing to bet this one post about the PS3 being the same as the 360 is greater than all the posts of you warning people about the 360. In fact, I'd bet there isn't any. So correct me if I'm wrong, were you warning people to hold on to their Xbox360 receipts when the RROD was in its beginning stages?

Btw, I bought an extended warranty from Target and I bought an extended warranty for the Wii. I went against my own rule of waiting a year before buying a new console so I thought a little extra insurance was warranted. But thanks for looking out tho.

theWacoKid

02-11-2008, 01:41 PM

It didn't seem to be nothing more than dust or lint on disc, except for Conan which gave me the same problem it gave Tashi, except I stuck it out and finished. After I started just exceedingly cleaning all my disc before I put it in, I stopped having the problem. I just thought Blu-ray was extremely sensitive to dust. I always make sure there are no smudges or fingerprints on my discs in any player I have, but blu-ray seems very sensitive to the slightest dust or lint. Or I guess it was just a faulty laser, if I had of known that I would have returned it. But again, the problem went away. I had a few problems with R&C, no problems with Uncharted, no problems with RFOM, BO:P, had started Spider-man and DMC with no problems. So it seemed to be a cleanliness issue not a fault.

Certain of you guys seem to have a distinct inability to read. My 360 died after 2 years of hard usage, my PS3 died after a few months of light usage. That's my anecdote, that's what happened.

Nor did I baby my PS3 for fear of it failing, I babied the PS3 because there was NOTHING TO PLAY FOR IT. And BLOD maybe imaginary for you but it is real for a lot of people who are experiencing it, and it is certainly something Sony is now accustomed to dealing with. They pretty much have their procedures well in place for this issue.

Funny how fanboys react when they realize their favorite console might have an issue. What are you afraid you are going to have to slit your wrist if your PS3 dies too, after all the crap you talked about 360?

And wow, 100 hours on your PS3, i've put 30+ hours into M.E. alone. You aren't even close to pushing your PS3.

100 hours in the first two weeks, you babbling buffoon. You're such a lame brain, learn to effin read, then maybe somebody then could have a debate with you. I typically run any new electronics gear very hard during the return window. If you're going to have a problem, you want it to occur during that window since you can return it or replace it, einstein. Nobody on this forum claimed the ps3 would be defect free, twit, just that the likelihood was far greater than the 360 of it being defect free and remaining that way.

Funny how an xbot stooge reacts to his ps3 going down when the early signs were there, but dumbass that you are, you chose to ignore them, attributing the problems to a "cleanliness" issue. You're a putz, plain and simple. Why risk potential problems when you could've easily returned the unit for one that performed flawlessly. Answer, you're a dumbass, the same dumbass who rationalized a ps3 purchase, claming that it was basically free money he couldn't use for anything else.

And you're a scream setting yourself up as a frickin authority on laser issues and how what happened to you is now going to happen all ps3 owners, what a dufus. You know two things, jack and sh#$, and you're taking an isolated problem reported by a very small minority of owners and claiming in your typical ignorant fashion, that this will become a widespread problem and sony is what, introducing new lasers, as a result. How about some links other than to some obscure australian forum that doesn't have a bunch of nutjobbers like you on it?

Gee, if you're not happy, there's nothing to play on the system, its unreliable, and it didn't cost you anything, then sell it before the BLOD becomes so widespread that sony won't be able to sell ps3 systems because of all the bad publicity.

Mochan

02-11-2008, 04:21 PM

The real problem I see is due to the nature of the component. I think the problems will not occur as rapidly as RROD did, I think it could be much more gradual and 2 or 3 years down the line people's systems will die, post warranty. The good thing is you can buy a replacement laser for $30 and the installation is suppose to be pretty easy.

Maybe this is the way to go in the future, modular console design.

LOL PC.

Mochan

02-11-2008, 04:35 PM

First of all i'm not bitter, it is just a fact the thing died. You want me to suger coat that too? I barely used it, it died, that's a fact. And it is also a fact that other people are having problems with the PS3 lasers. It has nothing to do with karma or bad feelings.

Your PS3 dying has nothing to do with karma or bad feelings. That was a JOKE.

But you posting a tirade whining about your dead PS3 like it were as bad as the 360 debacle clearly shows you're either bitter about the whole escapade, or you're just playing dumb with your stupid hypocritical SysWars mask on. Or at least, I hope it's a mask and you're not that dumb and hypocritical.

Really, this thread, if not under the guise of a SysWars rant, reeks of frustration at the gods of gaming for cursing you with not one but two console breakdowns within the span of a month (or so), enough to make you actually equate this PS3 issue to RROD and even do esoteric research on exotic Australian forums to prove it. Sounds bitter enough to me.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-11-2008, 06:31 PM

hink PS3 is a quality piece of hardware? Think again. After only a few months and after surely less than 100 hours of usage(games + movies) my PS3's blu-ray laser crapped out on me. Yup! While watching Coming To America no less on Blu-ray the screen froze then went black. I turned it back on and the system was working fine, but it never read another disc of any kind. Tried cleaning it with a lens cleaner and then all of Sony Helpdesk BS troubleshooting procedures, nada. The laser won't read any disc at all.

Its weird because since the day I got it i've been having problems reading discs and I just thought it was because blu-ray is so fussy, any little dust or dirt, but it looks like I just had a faulty laser from the jump and it finally died! So now I have no 360 and nor a PS3!!

I thought, surely this problem is rare, looked it up on the net and tons of people seem to have failing and problematic lasers or lasers that died like mine did. Sounds familiar to me, hmm didn't this sort of thing happen with oh umm i don't know, THE PS2?

The customer service guy wasn't surprised, he knew I'd have to send it in from the jump, after I described the problems he said, "sounds like you might have to send it in" then we tried some simple crap like turning it off and on, resetting the PS3, as if i hadn't tried that. So automatically they aren't going to fix it, they are going to send me a factory refurb as soon as they get mine. I asked him if it would be a new unit, nope, factory refurb! Just like Microsoft. I told him I thought this only happened to 360 and he chuckled.

I'll say this, my 360 was pushed HARD for 2 years before it died, this PS3 was babied! I was thinking about which system is best to buy multiplats and now the PS3 has no advantages. No rumble yet, worse online, long game installations and now crappy hardware too. I'm also not going to buy any Blu-ray movies. I think Blu-ray is just to delicate as a technology, I don't trust it.

Oh well, not too upset because this is not costing me any money, though time is money. I think as well as fixing your unit they should throw in a free game for the waste of time and burden. I just bought Burnout and DMC4 for it. What worries me is long-term. Sony's warranty is only one year, and I know they made a lot of money last gen because people ended up buying three four or five PS2s. I'd hate to buy all of these games, get a nice expensive wheel, extra controllers etc and then have the thing die on me post warranty. But now i'm in a position where I have to think about babying this damn thing. I'm already thinking about buying a stand-alone upconverting DVD player to play non-HD disc to take some of the burden off the PS3. Anyway, good job Sony

My original post, then who ever thinks this is being too harsh on the PS3 is just a lil' Sony nut lickin' bi-otch!

I think for a system dying after a few months, this is a very normal reaction. A lot of guys are damn idiots if you think after a system that has given so little value i'm going to turn around and say positive things about it or Sony. And burying your head in your arse about a clear laser problem doesn't mean that the problem is buried.

And Massimodo please, your stupid ass trying to counsel someone is the utmost in hypocrisy, your broke ass don't have two dimes to rub together and someone is suppose to take your advice? The only people who seem hurt here about my PS3 dying are Sony fans, you guys seem more hurt than me. I wasn't doing anything worthwhile with the system until DMC4 and BO:P showed up, which I could have gotten on 360. The fact is it was way more distressing when my 360 died because I was in the middle of a great game, actually the very end! To be frank I wasn't really doing anything with the PS3 until the last week that was worthwhile. But it is just a fact it died, it is a fact and sorry Sony gets no props for that.

Speculating about BLOD is just that, this happened to Five, that's like 2 out 7 guys on this site, hmm. And these machines are barely being used compared to 360. Is it RROD? Maybe or maybe not, but even if it never gets that bad it certainly is a legit problem. It certainly is a problem that has plagued Sony in the past. So just as usual the same idiots make excuses for Sony.

I don't see myself selling my Sony gear, cursing Sony's CEO, getting ready to sell my PS3 or doing half the bi-chin Whacko did, and yet this post is too harsh. Shyyyyyat, get bent! I coulda been a lot harsher.

theWacoKid

02-11-2008, 08:12 PM

My original post, then who ever thinks this is being too harsh on the PS3 is just a lil' Sony nut lickin' bi-otch!

I think for a system dying after a few months, this is a very normal reaction. A lot of guys are damn idiots if you think after a system that has given so little value i'm going to turn around and say positive things about it or Sony. And burying your head in your arse about a clear laser problem doesn't mean that the problem is buried.

And Massimodo please, your stupid ass trying to counsel someone is the utmost in hypocrisy, your broke ass don't have two dimes to rub together and someone is suppose to take your advice? The only people who seem hurt here about my PS3 dying are Sony fans, you guys seem more hurt than me. I wasn't doing anything worthwhile with the system until DMC4 and BO:P showed up, which I could have gotten on 360. The fact is it was way more distressing when my 360 died because I was in the middle of a great game, actually the very end! To be frank I wasn't really doing anything with the PS3 until the last week that was worthwhile. But it is just a fact it died, it is a fact and sorry Sony gets no props for that.

Speculating about BLOD is just that, this happened to Five, that's like 2 out 7 guys on this site, hmm. And these machines are barely being used compared to 360. Is it RROD? Maybe or maybe not, but even if it never gets that bad it certainly is a legit problem. It certainly is a problem that has plagued Sony in the past. So just as usual the same idiots make excuses for Sony.

I don't see myself selling my Sony gear, cursing Sony's CEO, getting ready to sell my PS3 or doing half the bi-chin Whacko did, and yet this post is too harsh. Shyyyyyat, get bent! I coulda been a lot harsher.

Keep talking mega loser, the only thing you're good for anymore is comedy relief. The ps2 dre issues were solved by the end of the first year, what's that like, five, six years ago, and you're bringing that up for the ps3. LMAO!! The only poster with his head firmly up his poor ignorant black ass is you. I don't have a laser problem, nobody I know of with a ps3 has a laser problem, jerk, so you making this absurd claim that a clear laser problem exists, just because your unit had one, is too effin funny. And now, you think you're going to scare us all with your BLOD bs. Where are your links documenting all this BLOD, where are the lawsuits from angry disgruntled ps3 owners, where's all the media attention on this clear laser problem we're all burying our heads in the sand over, eh, asslcown.

And as for me bit#$ing, what clown has bored this forum with threads on his consoles breaking down. Gee, would that be you?

You're pathetic. Your 360 dies on you and you act like the family dog got run over. My faithful 360 gave me two great years of gaming, sniff, sniff. It was such a fu#$ing trooper, my faithful 360. Nothing from you about how two years doesn't cut it. And it doesn't, except if you're an xbot with room temp IQ. Then you think if you got two years out of a console, you're living the dream.

You got a bad ps3, Good, it looks good on you, I"m glad you got a bum ps3, hope the next one craps out on you as well.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-12-2008, 09:08 AM

Keep talking mega loser, the only thing you're good for anymore is comedy relief. The ps2 dre issues were solved by the end of the first year, what's that like, five, six years ago, and you're bringing that up for the ps3. LMAO!! The only poster with his head firmly up his poor ignorant black ass is you. I don't have a laser problem, nobody I know of with a ps3 has a laser problem, jerk, so you making this absurd claim that a clear laser problem exists, just because your unit had one, is too effin funny. And now, you think you're going to scare us all with your BLOD bs. Where are your links documenting all this BLOD, where are the lawsuits from angry disgruntled ps3 owners, where's all the media attention on this clear laser problem we're all burying our heads in the sand over, eh, asslcown.

And as for me bit#$ing, what clown has bored this forum with threads on his consoles breaking down. Gee, would that be you?

You're pathetic. Your 360 dies on you and you act like the family dog got run over. My faithful 360 gave me two great years of gaming, sniff, sniff. It was such a fu#$ing trooper, my faithful 360. Nothing from you about how two years doesn't cut it. And it doesn't, except if you're an xbot with room temp IQ. Then you think if you got two years out of a console, you're living the dream.

You got a bad ps3, Good, it looks good on you, I"m glad you got a bum ps3, hope the next one craps out on you as well.

I realized I'm in a no-win situation. My launch 360 lasted longer than anyone elses around here and it seemingly went through RROD, no glitches etc. When my 360 died I felt I owed it to the site to be honest and admit that fact, instead of not mentioning it. Or getting my 360 repaired and never mentioning it. Everyone's situation is different so while I sympathize for people who had major RROD problems and customer service problems, I personally didn't. So i'm not going to internalize someone elses problems, my 360 was fine my gaming experience was fine. So i'm not mad at Microsoft and i don't get mad at companies over products and hold a grudge for years. If anything I just speak with my dollars. I'm not you, I can afford to lose a TV here and go buy a new one. I can afford to lose a 360 and go buy a new one if I want to. I have wealth i'm not a broke loser who sinks his savings into gaming and goes ballistic when a product breaks. I haven't gone ballistic on Sony, i've just told the truth as it happened. And have stated that I believe they have faulty lasers and the issue could grow. If you can't deal with my speculation, i'm glad, bust a valve, have a stroke. You got anger management issues that's your problem loser.

But the reality is my PS3 died after 3 months and I didn't have the same great gaming experiences with it. The reality is other peoples PS3s that have died, seem to be dying for the same reason. I don't have the same lenient view of Sony because they haven't earned it. So i've had 3 XBOX products and 1 is faulty after 2 years and they are fixing it for free, ohhhh somehow I just can't get my blood boiling over that.

If my 360 comes back I might trade it in for an Elite. If I don't and my 360 dies again, I might just go buy a new 360. 360 and XBOX has been that entertaining, it has earned it. My PS3 hasn't really done anything for me at all to come close to earning the $400 I invested in it. And certainly hasn't done anything to warrant investing a bunch of $$ in games and peripherals if it is not going to be reliable. You don't choose to believe BLOD is an issue, that's you. If it happens you will believe then. If it happens outside of warranty you will be even hotter than you were with MS. I took a gamble on the PS3 and thus far it hasn't paid off. If things don't work out and my PS3 dies again or dies a few years later as you wish, that's cool with me, then I'll just never take another chance on a Playstation. No sweat off my ballz. Then again if the PS3 was a great product and it died, i'd have no problem looking at this in another light. But me and the PS3 ain't there yet, I know you've swallowed the Sony hype hook line and sinker. But as I said before Sony was just in the prove it to me phase. And so far i'm not convinced. Or impressed.

If Trebor who loves Nintendo, decided to take a chance and give 360 a shot, and then his 360 died on him 3 months after not even really entertaining him, I don't think he'd be singing Microsoft's praises. He'd be very skeptical. It would be a different story if his Wii died, Nintendo has given him years of quality gaming and he'd be quicker to give them the benefit of the doubt. Now if one considers the PS3 has done nothing but mimic the 360 line-up thus far, it is easy to see why PS3 if it loses its aura of reliability really holds no value in this console war.

Gadfly2317

02-12-2008, 10:07 AM

Unless like I said, me and the hundreds if not thousands of other people who have had this happen are faking it to make guys like you go nuts.
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3--5% is considered a pretty normal failure in electronics, and actually even that's pretty high. Reportedly, the failure rate for Ps3 is one percent.

OF COURSE, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who've had an issue with their Ps3. There are millions of units out there now, so even just one in a hundred consoles having laser or other component failure is going to leave thousands of consumers to post their bad experience. But you have to be rationale and realize the vast majority have had no problem. VAST majority.

You cannot compare this to the +30% failure fiasco of the 360. It's been a major news item in the media. . . it is actually real, not just a few unlucky whiners on a message board. Can you think of ANY product out there as horribly engineered as the 360? A vacuum, a power tool, a cell phone, a dishwasher, a car. . . . ????

And can you imagine any group of consumers being stupid enough to buy a $400+ product without doing a cursory bit of consumer research to find out if it's reliable? And can you imagine ANY other consumer group KNOWING the dishwasher, car, cellphone or TV was going to have a 30% chance or more of completely failing to work with in 2 years and then buy it ANYWAY. . . enough consumers to make it #1? Even the iPeople with their slavish devotion to all things Apple would not buy the iPhone if it failed 30% of the time.

All about the games? Man, if gamers acted halfway rationally, and not like drug addicts, the 360 would have tanked already and those games we wanted like Ninja Gaiden 2 would make their way to whatever system gamers are using. American gamers supporting 360 over Ps3 have ensured they'll be forced to game on a piece of crap or miss titles.

It's nice to see that some gamers are shifting their multiplat choices over to the Ps3. And to TMG, I know you were shifting your multiplats over to Ps3; just because your Ps3 had an issue shouldn't dissuade you from being able to see the that you're still statistically better off with the Ps3. For me its a selfish thing; I was glad you picked up the Ps3 version of Burnout Paradise so we could finally race.

I know I'm sounding overly harsh about the 360 here, but I really do feel strongly about quality, and what MS has done to gamers and to gaming is messed up. That's the choice we have, buy seriously defective consoles, or miss titles??? We are gamers. This is our hobby. And this is the position MS has put us gamers in. Of course I'm mad, because I don't like the choice I'm given; there are games on the 360 I very much want to play, but it just grinds hard against my integrity and self-respect to give in and knowingly buy a seriously bad product anyway.

It's embarrassing to us as hobbyists that we so moo-ingly take it in the ass like this. I hope to god that extremely vocal 360 supporters aren't also hang-gliding enthusiasts. God only knows what piece of junk they'd be willing to strap on and hurl themselves into the void.

T.Tashi

02-12-2008, 10:35 AM

I personally didn't. So i'm not going to internalize someone elses problems, my 360 was fine my gaming experience was fine.

The best thing you posted so far... which ironically sort of negates the whole thread. There's no reason for anyone here to internalize your problem either.

Btw, anyone in your house smoke? If not then this is irrelevant for you, but just an fyi for the forum:

Page 6 of the manual:
Do not expose the system or accessories to dust, smoke or steam, Also, do not place the system in an area subject to excessive dust or cigarette smoke. Dust build-up or cigarette smoke residue on the internal components (such as the lens) may cause the system to malfunction.

This is from a poster on the playstation forum:

People who smoke assume it does no harm. Thier PC's break down, their DVD players no longer work and the gamers that smoke, their consoles slowly quit reading discs.
Cigarette smoke gets on everything, even if u smoke in a different room, it will find its way into your machine. I clean PC's as a hobby and it's disgusting when i open a PC from a smoker. As for PS3 or other consoles, the smoke not only builds tar/nicotine on the lens but also on the mirror and the lens just above the mirror (hidden under the focusing lens). After a while your console will no longer read anything, not to mention the crap that will build up on the CPU/GPU heatsinks and fan causing overheating and eventually console failure.

I have example as proof, my friend purchased an xbox 360 in october of 2006. By january of 2007, it no longer read anything but CD's. He smoked cigarettes and weed in his house. I bought his 360 from him, cleaned the lens and it started to read discs but the damage was too extensive for a cleaning to fix. I had to buy a new lazer in the end, now it works fine. I still have the old laser, when u look at the lens in the light, u can clearly see its now turned an amber color from the few months it was exposed to smoke.

Gadfly2317

02-12-2008, 10:46 AM

Do not expose the system or accessories to dust, smoke or steam, Also, do not place the system in an area subject to excessive dust or cigarette smoke. Dust build-up or cigarette smoke residue on the internal components (such as the lens) may cause the system to malfunction.

Crap. I sit about four feet from my Ps3, doing giant bong-hits of Sour Diesel Kush or White Widow. I do try to blow the smoke up, and not at the Ps3.

I think cigarettes would ultimately be worse, because the overall volume of smoke filling the room tends to be greater.

T.Tashi

02-12-2008, 10:51 AM

Well it certainly can and just like RROD started quietly this certainly could also. Unless like I said, me and the hundreds if not thousands of other people who have had this happen are faking it to make guys like you go nuts.

That's not so unusual, considering the comments I read on some reviews where Halo didn't score excessively high. Those reviewers got attacked like one of Michael Vick's pit bulls wrote the comments. And I'm sure the biggest Playstation hater of the last few years on this forum gets a PS3 and it dies within months certainly raises a few eyebrows here. Especially since you were so quick to equate it to the 360's 30% failure rate. Not to say you are making it up. It's just a really huge coincidence.:D

Tappy_Tibbons

02-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Funny, I just don't have one yet because I'm waiting on my 120 FPS gaming.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-12-2008, 12:18 PM

3--5% is considered a pretty normal failure in electronics, and actually even that's pretty high. Reportedly, the failure rate for Ps3 is one percent.

OF COURSE, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who've had an issue with their Ps3. There are millions of units out there now, so even just one in a hundred consoles having laser or other component failure is going to leave thousands of consumers to post their bad experience. But you have to be rationale and realize the vast majority have had no problem. VAST majority. Show me where I said the vast majority of people are having problems. All I've done was point out I looked on the net to find help and found forums where this particular problems is kinda carving out its own niche. I think if the PS3 was failing at 3-5% and the failures were random components or causes, there would be more no real cause for concern, but the fact that almost all of the failures that are occurring are related to the laser points to a faulty component. We just don't know how many or how many batches. It could be a run of 100,000 machines or it could have been a run of a million. I guess we will see as time goes on.


And can you imagine any group of consumers being stupid enough to buy a $400+ product without doing a cursory bit of consumer research to find out if it's reliable? And can you imagine ANY other consumer group KNOWING the dishwasher, car, cellphone or TV was going to have a 30% chance or more of completely failing to work with in 2 years and then buy it ANYWAY. . . enough consumers to make it #1? Even the iPeople with their slavish devotion to all things Apple would not buy the iPhone if it failed 30% of the time.You act as if RROD happened overnight as if information was available overnight, I know people right now with 360s that aren't even aware of the RROD issue, RIGHT NOW! Because they just aren't as interested and connected to gaming like we are. RROD developed slowly and the issue may have hit national news a few times, but not nearly enough to factor into mainstream consumers decion making. Plus recalls are nothing new in the retail sector, everything from Dora dolls to BMWs face recalls. Most consumers just want to know, if my product fails will it get fixed. If someone has a Honda that is recalled, they aren't going to go drive their car off a cliff and junk it and spit venom about Honda like a child. They go get it fixed. As dramatic as RROD is we are only talking about sending in your console for a few weeks to get it fixed, at least at this point. Certainly if recalling consoles means you shouldn't be in the business Sony would have been finished with the PS2 and all of its faults that they never stood behind. So MS deserves a chance to redeem itself behind this, though I know you don't want them to have that chance. And i'm the one being irrational about Sony.


All about the games? Man, if gamers acted halfway rationally, and not like drug addicts, the 360 would have tanked already and those games we wanted like Ninja Gaiden 2 would make their way to whatever system gamers are using. American gamers supporting 360 over Ps3 have ensured they'll be forced to game on a piece of crap or miss titles. That's Sony's fault. That goes to show how piss-poor the PS3 really was. Here you have a faulty console, from a distant second place manufacturer last gen, whipping the pristine incumbent. Why? Because the PS3 has been a mis-managed spectacular flop thus far, and Sony's business model was screwed and customers saw little of the value Sony bragged about. So you know you have to have a bad product if 360 has done so well. And quite frankly PS3 still hasn't done anything yet to justify its existence. It could but it hasn't. 360 has, regardless of how you feel, 360 has entertained gamers where Sony has not.


It's nice to see that some gamers are shifting their multiplat choices over to the Ps3. And to TMG, I know you were shifting your multiplats over to Ps3; just because your Ps3 had an issue shouldn't dissuade you from being able to see the that you're still statistically better off with the Ps3. For me its a selfish thing; I was glad you picked up the Ps3 version of Burnout Paradise so we could finally race.This is a real concern for me, because the PS3 warranty is only a year and i've had this problem. This was the furthest thing from my mind, reliability. But now i'm concerned to go buy a $300 racing wheel, which is what I was planning on doing. I'm concerned about buying a library of blu-ray movies. And i'm concerned about buying multiplats on PS3. Already I have no idea what the condition of the unit I get back will be. I had a brand new unit, and now who knows what i'll get back. It may be shiny on the outside, but the inside could be parts from old machines. So yeah, when this happens to you, you lose that comfort level and now i'm more inclined to go back to building a library around 360. I definitely don't think i'll be buying that wheel now for GT5.


I know I'm sounding overly harsh about the 360 here, but I really do feel strongly about quality, and what MS has done to gamers and to gaming is messed up. That's the choice we have, buy seriously defective consoles, or miss titles??? We are gamers. This is our hobby. And this is the position MS has put us gamers in. Of course I'm mad, because I don't like the choice I'm given; there are games on the 360 I very much want to play, but it just grinds hard against my integrity and self-respect to give in and knowingly buy a seriously bad product anyway.Well the way you feel about MS, I feel about MS and Sony at the moment. I would go feeling all warm and fuzzy inside about your PS3 if I were you. This happened to me and to Five. That's not good.


It's embarrassing to us as hobbyists that we so moo-ingly take it in the ass like this. I hope to god that extremely vocal 360 supporters aren't also hang-gliding enthusiasts. God only knows what piece of junk they'd be willing to strap on and hurl themselves into the void.Like I said before Sony had problems with the PS2 last gen, they were allowed to redeem themselves. MS has stepped up and will fix any RROD issue for 3 years, that's all they can do. They've redesigned the product, I don't know what more you can ask them to do. When you look at everything else, they've certainly delivered what they promised, while Sony has lied from day one. Sony promised they would have mind blowing games day one, they said when 360 launched that wasn't next gen, they trojan horsed Blu-ray which was wrong, they knew they couldn't beat HD-DVD fairly, they released a crappy over-priced product that they've been re-configuring from day one, and still are tinkering with. They have been trying to get their network right from day one and still haven't come out with HOME. They hype and push games that won't see a greenlight for over 2 years. They push crap like GT5 HD, GT5 Prologue, and who knows when the real game will come out. They lose a lawsuit and react by taking OUT rumble, then after millions of gamers react they grudgingly add back rumble, but start only in Japan. And all they have managed to do with their high priced hardware is barely mimic the line-up of the PS3. Their machine alone has forced dozens of projects to be delayed if not canceled! So Sony has not done anything praise worthy, they are lucky MS had RROD, its been the only reason they managed to stay aroud and not get steamrolled. So yeah, we see it differently.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-12-2008, 12:24 PM

The best thing you posted so far... which ironically sort of negates the whole thread. There's no reason for anyone here to internalize your problem either.

Btw, anyone in your house smoke? If not then this is irrelevant for you, but just an fyi for the forum:

Page 6 of the manual:

This is from a poster on the playstation forum:

I never asked anyone to internalize my problem. I think my original post was very matter of fact and like I said, i'm not even angry. Just like with my 360, i'm not paying for a repair, i'm just out of time. So my PS3 isn't going anywhere, i'll certainly use it and can't wait to finish DMC4 and play some more BO:P. But this did happen and it is what it is. So now that it has happened, the concern over reliability for me will be an issue.

No, no smoke in my household unless you count my girls bad cookin', maybe it was that certainly i've been choked up by her food many times.

I've got an FYI for the forum, I know you guys think your PS3 is bulletproof. But this happened to Five and it happened to me. Just save your receipt, just in case.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-12-2008, 12:33 PM

That's not so unusual, considering the comments I read on some reviews where Halo didn't score excessively high. Those reviewers got attacked like one of Michael Vick's pit bulls wrote the comments. And I'm sure the biggest Playstation hater of the last few years on this forum gets a PS3 and it dies within months certainly raises a few eyebrows here. Especially since you were so quick to equate it to the 360's 30% failure rate. Not to say you are making it up. It's just a really huge coincidence.:D

I've been a fan of the PS3 since it was announced. But certainly i'm no different than the majority of people on this site, many of whom STILL haven't gotten a PS3. Most people saw the same things I saw, a $600 and then $500 console that launched and flopped and didn't deliver any of what Sony promised. Is that me being a big hater? Most people see a clearly inferior network, a lack of rumble, problems with multiplats, a lack of AAA exclusives, and mismanagement by Sony. But I still saw the promise and said a long-time ago, if PS3 drops to $400, I think it would be worth a try at that price. If PS3 was still $600, i'd still be a big hater. Since when does telling it like it is means you are a hater. Its almost been 1.5 years now and i'm still not playing any mind blowing exclusives nor do I see any coming out soon. Let's be clear, if I was buying my first console today, and I got to the store with $500, I'm leaving with a 360 under my arm and a copy of GOW, Halo3, and M.E., and my next game after that is Forza. Right now 360, despite everything, is a much better console than PS3. So I guess i'm still a hater.

T.Tashi

02-12-2008, 01:30 PM

I've been a fan of the PS3 since it was announced. But certainly i'm no different than the majority of people on this site, many of whom STILL haven't gotten a PS3. Most people saw the same things I saw, a $600 and then $500 console that launched and flopped and didn't deliver any of what Sony promised. Is that me being a big hater? Most people see a clearly inferior network, a lack of rumble, problems with multiplats, a lack of AAA exclusives, and mismanagement by Sony. But I still saw the promise and said a long-time ago, if PS3 drops to $400, I think it would be worth a try at that price. If PS3 was still $600, i'd still be a big hater. Since when does telling it like it is means you are a hater. Its almost been 1.5 years now and i'm still not playing any mind blowing exclusives nor do I see any coming out soon. Let's be clear, if I was buying my first console today, and I got to the store with $500, I'm leaving with a 360 under my arm and a copy of GOW, Halo3, and M.E., and my next game after that is Forza. Right now 360, despite everything, is a much better console than PS3. So I guess i'm still a hater.

Ah I said Playstation hater.

If you're gonna tell it like it is, tell it across the board. You treat the 360 with kid gloves despite all it's proven issues while you pounce on the PS3 over a speculative issue.

I never said the PS3 was bullerproof. If I thought that I would've bought it on launch. The only reason I got it 8 months after the fact was the cut in price with the blu-ray deal. Otherwise I would've waited a year. Even then I bought an extended warranty from Target. But I certainly don't expect 30% of them to brick within 2 years or less. If I did I wouldn't buy it. End of story.

Dancer O_o

02-12-2008, 01:47 PM

Dancer's Wii died, should I project how many Wii's die in the future for the same reason his did, you're not in this for the right reasons. If the 360 was a properly engineered console with a diverse enough library, that could distinguish itself well enough against the PS3 and the PC, I would own one. I owned an xbox (still do) for the said reason. I don't bash consoles just for doing so sake, I lay the fury on bs that should not exist, and is simply not for me. I still remember that I was the lone wolf who wanted Nintendo to make a console for the hardcore this gen, sadly, but I already saw the direction MS would be heading, and RROD has just effed things up way beyond the lack of variety on that console.

Ehh, my Wii has never died, you probably have me confused with someone else here, I even knocked the Wii off the shelf to take a header right onto the floor and the thing still works like a champ. Odd thing is, when the Wii hit the floor it never even occurred to me that it might be broke, just set it upright and carried on. However, my 360 did take a poo and even though I have it back and it is working fine, I still have to hit the eject disk button 3 times to get the tray open. Also, my 360 is louder than 10 PS3s in the same room.

At Christmas I went over the families house and a nephew got a Wii. The thing had been sitting for days unused because everybody was claiming they didn't know how to set it up. I hooked it up and the Wii and it kept giving us fault errors and I thought "uh-oh", but I kept at it and eventually the machine started working and still works fine (I checked recently).

This talk of PS3s dying like 360s is rubbish, IF PS3s die it is probably not the same kind of fault and I bet Sony can at least nail down the issue (if one even exists), unlike Microsoft that is basically saying "I don't know what's wrong with the 360s busting, throw money at the situation, that'll fix it!". I've heard every cock and bull story about what the actual issues is and still there is no clear answer from MS, and that is troubling. So what does MS do?...whip up a skinnier chip and claim it runs cooler...I'm not so sure.

ilnadmy

02-12-2008, 03:08 PM

Whoah, smoke really screws up PS3s and PCs? Damn, that might have been a contributing reason to why my Alienware got massacred.

thelastword

02-12-2008, 07:28 PM

No genius i just shipped my 360 back on FEB 5th, you clearly have me confused with someone else, get your facts straight. Oh wait, facts never meant anything to you. These weren't direct statements.....do you know what a question mark denotes? These questions? I'd like to call them hypocrisy inducers....simply exposing you for the hypocrite that you are, bringing your belly-aching circular mess into plain view.

All these great games on the 360, but as soon as it breaks down, "it's cool, it's only a videogame system, things break" "I've got two years out of it" playing the best games ever.....Oh shiit, I played these best games EVAR in superior detail as well, and it wasn't on some red ringing box... how the eff did that happen?

This is not the main point though, here's where I was going. Your 360 broke down on the 23rd of Jan, your coffin got there on the 25th and you only sent it in on the 5th of February. So you mean, that you delayed shipping the console, yes, the console with all these great games, THE BEST GAMES EVAR, knowing that it takes forever for these guys to replace it with one of the better pieces of garbage in the piling heap. Since the 360 just can't be touched gamewise, why the eff did you delay that shipment to the repair center, even one day? just baffles the effin mind.... Ohhhh shiiiit, you delayed the shipment and you were playing the PS3......? GTFO word, the PS3, but that system has no good games.....there isn't a thing for Masked to play......Ohhhh Shiiit...
If saying MS did a good thing by swallowing a $1 Billion, if saying MS should replace all systems with new ones is making excuses, then yeah i'm that guy. If telling people they should run their system without extra cooling and unusual circumstances to find out if they have a failure is dabbing the issue, yeah i'm that guy. Dude MS didn't do a good thing by swallowing a Billion, MS had no choice but to. That 1 billion should have gone through proper R&D to build a better console in the first place, I've been saying that for ages. No sane gamer will suck MS's ass because of this 1 billion dollar affair The last I checked, a reliable console is still not available on the shelves. A console, where I could walk into a store, knowing that it will last like my PS2, my XBOX and my PS3 thus far. That's what gamers demand, that's how consoles should be built. I don't give an eff about the comfort of knowing that I could send a shoddy product up and down to a recycling repair center over a three year span, eff that comfort. Build the darn console good the very first time, or I won't even show up at the store. It's a hard concept for you to follow, but let it ring to your ear cavity.

I knew RROD existed and so I wasn't going to pull a WHACKO when my system died and cry like a school girl. Dude, you're crying more than Whacko in this thread, clearly you miss the rich featureset of the PS3 over the red ringing garbage box. You played Drake, Resistance, Ratchet, you've got F1, Burnout and DMC and you're getting ready for the heavy hitters later on. The PS3 will get Vegas2 the same time as the 360, it will get Hot shots and The Show with nothing as good on the 360 horizon. The hypocrite that you are, are enjoying the hell out of bluray flicks with your family, yes, the same bluray which you believed was forced upon us. The same bluray that gives us 5.1 LPCM on the PS3 version of Devil May Cry4, whilst the 360 version gets vanilla sound. Fool yourself with your bs, don't dare think you're fooling anyone else.

thelastword

02-12-2008, 07:50 PM

Ehh, my Wii has never died, you probably have me confused with someone else here, I even knocked the Wii off the shelf to take a header right onto the floor and the thing still works like a champ.Good to hear, I meant Gamer from 78.

If only the Wii had next gen hardware, PS3 is already going to a 45nm process, a 300 priced PS3 in 2009 will serve as a huge blow to the Wii, as the PS3 builds its userbase in 2008 with the heavy hitters, A $99.00 PS2 is also going to make some inroads. Third parties are already suffering on the Wii, and there's no doubt that the PS3 attach rate is phenomenal, especially in Europe. Assasins Creed PS3 has outsold the 360 version in Europe, so to Burnout by a whopping margin.

I've always said, that if I could have played the Nintendo franchises at 720p, and of course some neat exclusives, that I would have a Wii, since I'm already playing a superior 360 on the PC, but Nintendo made it's choice, I've made mine. There's always a rise before a fall, I think it's Nintendo's.....stay tuned.

trebor

02-12-2008, 09:32 PM

Third parties are already suffering on the Wii, and there's no doubt that the PS3 attach rate is phenomenal, especially in Europe.

What the **** planet do you live on? You see, this is why nobody takes you seriously. You just spout mindless rhetoric out of your ass, as instructed by your guerrilla marketing mandate.

3rd parties are suffering on the Wii? Really? Does the PS3 even have a single million selling title yet? Software sales have all but tanked on the PS3, and given the sky high development costs, I wouldn't be surprised if ANY company has made money developing for the PS3.

Is that why Factor 5 went running back to Nintendo, after their disaster of a game Lair?

ThaMaskedGamer

02-13-2008, 07:37 AM

These weren't direct statements.....do you know what a question mark denotes? These questions? I'd like to call them hypocrisy inducers....simply exposing you for the hypocrite that you are, bringing your belly-aching circular mess into plain view. Just bite one if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.


All these great games on the 360, but as soon as it breaks down, "it's cool, it's only a videogame system, things break" "I've got two years out of it" playing the best games ever.....Oh shiit, I played these best games EVAR in superior detail as well, and it wasn't on some red ringing box... how the eff did that happen?I kinda doubt you played Forza, M.E., Bioshock, Halo3, yet alone a bunch of other games too damn numerous to mention. So please just stop lying.


This is not the main point though, here's where I was going. Your 360 broke down on the 23rd of Jan, your coffin got there on the 25th and you only sent it in on the 5th of February. So you mean, that you delayed shipping the console, yes, the console with all these great games, THE BEST GAMES EVAR, knowing that it takes forever for these guys to replace it with one of the better pieces of garbage in the piling heap. Since the 360 just can't be touched gamewise, why the eff did you delay that shipment to the repair center, even one day? just baffles the effin mind.... Ohhhh shiiiit, you delayed the shipment and you were playing the PS3......? What a jack---, on the 25th I got a note from FEDEX that they tried to deliver a package and I wasn't there. I assumed that FEDEX package was my coffin, it turned out, it wasn't my coffin. My coffin actually came from UPS and arrived the Friday before the superbowl, and I sent my 360 out the Monday or Tuesday after the superbowl. Stupid.

 Dude MS didn't do a good thing by swallowing a Billion, MS had no choice but to. That 1 billion should have gone through proper R&D to build a better console in the first place, I've been saying that for ages. No sane gamer will suck MS's ass because of this 1 billion dollar affair Then you have a lot of insane gamers, a lot of insane gamers are choosing 360 over PS3. I wonder why? Listen we have been through this to exhaustion, all my statements are right there, just re-read them. I don't have anything to add.


Dude, you're crying more than Whacko in this thread, clearly you miss the rich featureset of the PS3 over the red ringing garbage box. You played Drake, Resistance, Ratchet, you've got F1, Burnout and DMC and you're getting ready for the heavy hitters later on. The PS3 will get Vegas2 the same time as the 360, it will get Hot shots and The Show with nothing as good on the 360 horizon. The hypocrite that you are, are enjoying the hell out of bluray flicks with your family, yes, the same bluray which you believed was forced upon us. The same bluray that gives us 5.1 LPCM on the PS3 version of Devil May Cry4, whilst the 360 version gets vanilla sound. Fool yourself with your bs, don't dare think you're fooling anyone else.What a dumbA--, I hadn't touched my PS3 in weeks cause I was playing M.E., and I was going to get Burnout3 on the 360 fool, as well as DMC4. But no I decided to get them on the PS3 since my 360 died, and then the PS3 dies lol. So there was PS3's chance to shine and it failed. Ditto with Blu-ray, I had switched all my movies from HD-DVD to Blu-ray on Netflix because my 360 died and then my Blu-ray player(PS3) dies! So, i'm sorry this isn't a good time to be bragging to me about PS3. But no, i'm fooling myself, I forgot. And i'm not crying at all like Whacko, nor you. You are cryin' about 360 and wasn't even affected by RROD. My PS3 went down and all i'm saying is bad job Sony! I'm not cursing the company to the heavens, i'm not taking a hammer to all my Sony products, i'm not putting it on Ebay and then coming here saying i'll never buy a PS3 game again.

My PS3 died after a few months, my 360 died after 2 years, both are being fixed for free, and right now I simply have more faith in 360 due to my personal track record and level of satisfaction with both products. On top of that, I think an unknown quantity of PS3s contain faulty laser diodes and i'm interested to see how this manifests itself in the future. Your dumb comments are never going to make me feel like you do about the PS3. The only thing that will do that is some good EXCLUSIVE games and a reliable machine. Right now, i've got neither from the PS3. Nothing else to really add with you, so go sell your load of BS to some other sucker.

thelastword

02-13-2008, 08:16 AM

What the **** planet do you live on? You see, this is why nobody takes you seriously. You just spout mindless rhetoric out of your ass, as instructed by your guerrilla marketing mandate.

3rd parties are suffering on the Wii? Really? Does the PS3 even have a single million selling title yet? Software sales have all but tanked on the PS3, and given the sky high development costs, I wouldn't be surprised if ANY company has made money developing for the PS3.

Is that why Factor 5 went running back to Nintendo, after their disaster of a game Lair?Ohh Shiit! it's Gerty, was the Wii mentioned in a negative light? Don't get your panties all twisted my good friend. You simply have to look at the numbers, Super Mario Galaxy is heading to 6 million units sold, when other games you splooge at, like No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki etc....they can hardly do 200k worldwide. Look at any Nintendo published game, is there one that's not a million seller, hell, the disparity is a landslide against third party titles. Zelda, Mario Party, Metroid, Wiifit, Smash, Wario Ware and Super Mario Galaxy absolutely rapes the sales of all third party titles. Check VG chartz and Media create for reference, that is the reality.

You're accusing me of talking out my ass and you go on to say that no PS3 game has sold a million. So that really puts things in perspective. Mstorm is close to 3 million and may very well be over, RFOM has sold more than two million, Uncharted was over a mil quite sometime ago. Then when we check the third party titles on the PS3, Fifa 2008 has sold more on the PS3 over the 360, Pro Evo 2008 has outsold the 360 version. Burnout PS3 is ahead of the 360 version worldwide, DMC4 PS3 is ahead of the 360 version worldwide. Hell, in Europe, DMC4 PS3 is more expensive by at least 10 pounds, and the 360 version is getting more marketing there as well.

The PS3 userbase is still below the 360 there, so that speaks volumes of the attachment rate for third party software on the PS3, especially as multiplats become less gimped and the quality is heightened. Remember VF5? it came on the 360 with online, xbots said how it would outsell the PS3 version for that reason alone, it bombed harder than far cry Wii sucked.

At least the PS3 version of VF5 did 500k worldwide, at least NG Sigma did 500k, since both games, including Resistance, Warhawk and Mstorm will hit platinum status on the PS3 very soon. So get it straight Gerty and face the music. The Wii caters simply to Nintendo Zealots and non-gamers, that explains great sales for all the mario's and wario's and the Zelda's. The appeal to the non gamers, being all the brain games, wii sports etc...you know it, everybody knows it, the appeal of the Wii just can't be sustained over the longterm. The tech looks too assy already as it is.

ThaMaskedGamer

02-13-2008, 08:26 AM

thelastword

02-13-2008, 09:32 AM

I kinda doubt you played Forza, M.E., Bioshock, Halo3, yet alone a bunch of other games too damn numerous to mention. So please just stop lying. Forza 2 and Halo3, I'm not enthused, but even Halo3 will make it to the PC sometime, Mass Effect lands in superior form in two to three months. Bioshock is on the PC, don't get it twisted. It seems I'll have to activate my photobucket account to get some 1200 rez screenshots on this site. These are not all the games you boast about.....Oh shiit, that's all, all the greatest games evar, and in that list M.E and Bisohock is actually on the PC or coming. You boast about Gears, it's there as well. So that leaves Forza, a game people refuse for free in Japan. A game that's rated much lower than the first because reviewers realized the first was overrated. I guess vanilla graphics didn't help it's cause any.

What a jack---, on the 25th I got a note from FEDEX that they tried to deliver a package and I wasn't there. I assumed that FEDEX package was my coffin, it turned out, it wasn't my coffin. My coffin actually came from UPS and arrived the Friday before the superbowl, and I sent my 360 out the Monday or Tuesday after the superbowl. Stupid.I don't go by what you assumed, I go by what you said. Hell, even you, should know that your assumptions are 100% bonkers.

Then you have a lot of insane gamers, a lot of insane gamers are choosing 360 over PS3. I wonder why? Listen we have been through this to exhaustion, all my statements are right there, just re-read them. I don't have anything to add.Millions of sane gamers have refused to purchase the red ringing fps box, that could be had for as low as $279.00 for the arcade unit. They're saving up for a next gen machine, with the best graphics, the best sound and physics for $400.00. That's all inclusive, because they get Wifi for free, a harddrive as standard, free online play on dedicated servers and get the huge bonus of having the winning format in optical media, where they can watch the highest fidelity films. That is the reality.

It's worth noting, that the PS3 is making huge strides, against a 360 that has been available an entire year ahead. 10 million against 16 million is the position. The 360 has splooged and the PS3 has just established it's foundation. When you look at the performance of multi's like Burnout and DMC4 on the PS3, and see the sales of new IP's like RFOM and MStorm, you know the sequels are what's going to do really huge numbers. So the 360 lead means nothing, if the PS3 could get so close, without it's heaviest hitters, it will double or triple that performance with them.

My PS3 died after a few months, my 360 died after 2 years, both are being fixed for free, and right now I simply have more faith in 360 due to my personal track record and level of satisfaction with both products. On top of that, I think an unknown quantity of PS3s contain faulty laser diodes and i'm interested to see how this manifests itself in the future. Your dumb comments are never going to make me feel like you do about the PS3. The only thing that will do that is some good EXCLUSIVE games and a reliable machine. Right now, i've got neither from the PS3. Nothing else to really add with you, so go sell your load of BS to some other sucker.You are such an ass junking fool, you're interested in seeing how faulty laser diodes manifests itself. How exactly do you want it to manifest itself? You are a tool hugger to the highest degree, you want some stain on the PS3 sleeve, you're hoping and dreaming that the PS3 have severe issues to suit your MS ass drinking ways. Yet, you own a PS3 and are visibly b!tching that you don't have it to play, and enjoy your flicks.

I guess that explains you. I still remember you playing games like Marvel Nemesis and claiming it was great on the xbox, an effin multiplat, in the very year MS ditched the darn thing. Denying the existence and worth of the PS2 when it was spouting a wave of 90+ rated games at the same time. I guess with you it just loops, the xbox will always have the best games, no matter how assy they are, in comparison to what's on playstation.

thelastword

02-13-2008, 09:49 AM

Motorstorm's sales spiked because it is a pack-in fool! Prior to that, it fell off the charts long ago. As far as DMC and BO:P doing better on the PS3, we will see when NPD comes out if you are anywhere to be seen? I think the performance of COD4 on 360 versus PS3, Assassin's Creed performance on 360 versus PS3, Madden etc down the line will be similar for BO:P and DMC4.Motorstorm sales were already stellar before the pack-in. The pack-in moved some units, yes, but it was already a million seller by far. COD4 on the 360 is great, but based on the PS3 install base, I think the attach rate is better there, as is the case with A creed. You always use to mention that 360 owners buy lots of software, I agree, but you fail to realize that PS owners buy lots of sofware too. Difference is, we don't buy garbage. So if the software is up to standard, whether it's multiplat or exclusive we will buy it and recommend it.

theWacoKid

02-13-2008, 10:11 AM

But me and the PS3 ain't there yet, I know you've swallowed the Sony hype hook line and sinker. But as I said before Sony was just in the prove it to me phase. And so far i'm not convinced. Or impressed.

Do yourself a favor and STFU, you babbling ninny. I swallowed the sony hype, hook, line and sinker? What part of me buying a ps3 months after the ps3 launch don't you understand, retardamundo?! I paid $449 can for my 60gig unit, you paid $399 for your 40gig ps3, if I swallowed sony hype, you swallowed more, because I got the better deal.

I don't give a sh#$ if you stick with the ps3 or not, you hypocritical mega loser. I don't care if you're impressed or convinced. There is no BLOD issue, nutjob. Ps3 owners from over a year ago are not having ps3s go down due to faulty lasers, so shove it up your ass.

And here's a clue, dumbass, 360 reliability issues were on internet message boards before the system even launched. That's right, genius, remember all those pepsi contest winners who got their 360's prior to launch. Numerous winners had their 360s red ring or fail. At that time, it was written off as pre-production launch problems that would be fixed. They weren't and as it turns out, those problems just continued and got worse and worse over time as more and more units red ringed. It didn't start out quietly, people who claimed the 360's were junk were put down as whiners and haters, then the all the 360 bots started changing their tune as it happened to them also. I told people on this forum, just a matter of when, not if. Who was right and who was wrong, eh, TMG.

Fivespot

02-13-2008, 10:13 AM

Difference is, we don't buy garbage. So if the software is up to standard, whether it's multiplat or exclusive we will buy it and recommend it.

Get over yourself. That's the lamest thing you've written in a while and that says a lot. Sony consumers unlike any other videogame demographic only buy good games. Sure thing tlw.

trebor

02-13-2008, 11:10 AM

Ohh Shiit! it's Gerty, was the Wii mentioned in a negative light? Don't get your panties all twisted my good friend. You simply have to look at the numbers, Super Mario Galaxy is heading to 6 million units sold, when other games you splooge at, like No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki etc....they can hardly do 200k worldwide. Look at any Nintendo published game, is there one that's not a million seller, hell, the disparity is a landslide against third party titles. Zelda, Mario Party, Metroid, Wiifit, Smash, Wario Ware and Super Mario Galaxy absolutely rapes the sales of all third party titles. Check VG chartz and Media create for reference, that is the reality.
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At least the PS3 version of VF5 did 500k worldwide, at least NG Sigma did 500k, since both games, including Resistance, Warhawk and Mstorm will hit platinum status on the PS3 very soon. So get it straight Gerty and face the music. The Wii caters simply to Nintendo Zealots and non-gamers, that explains great sales for all the mario's and wario's and the Zelda's. The appeal to the non gamers, being all the brain games, wii sports etc...you know it, everybody knows it, the appeal of the Wii just can't be sustained over the longterm. The tech looks too assy already as it is.

You ever read Burroughs before? Naked Lunch to be specific. You remind my of the guy whose ass could talk, growed a set of teeth and lips, and eventually took over his entire body - except for his eyes. But in your case you're a blind-as-a-bat fanboy in the first place, so you're simply a talking ass.

Case in point:

Red Steel - million seller
Rayman Raving Rabids - million seller
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition - million seller
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles - million seller

I'm probably forgetting a few other 3rd party million sellers.

Here's another case in point:

Million selling games by Console

January 25th, 2008 LazySAGamer Posted in Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, Console Sales Figures, Features |

Ewie sent me a tip a while back about the number of games on each platform that had surpassed a million units worldwide in sales. Unfortunately due to other pressures that article never made it to the front screen.

However being a lazy Friday I went back and dug it up and thought it would be interesting to do a then and now comparison.

First we need to go back and do some soul searching, I am using VGChartz.com for all of this data.

The original Xbox had 38 titles break the million barrier with the leader being Halo 2 which sold 8.45 million copies.

The Gamecube also had 38 titles break the million barrier with its best seller being Mario Kart: Double Dash which sold 6.6 million.

The unstoppable PS2 had an unbelievable 205 titles break the million barrier with Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas selling a whopping 15.23 million copies.

Now onto our latest generation

The current leader in million breakers is the Xbox 360 which has 31 titles over the million barrier at the moment, with the best seller being Halo 3 with total sales of 7.06 million

Then comes the unstoppable Wii with 16 titles breaking the barrier and its top seller is Wii sports (bundled) with 17.81 million units. Followed by Wii Play (controller bundled) with 9.42 million and the first non bundled title is Super Mario Galaxy with 5.35 million units.

The PS3 currently has 7 titles over the million barrier and the leading PS3 title is Motorstorm (half bundled) with 2.63 million and then resistance (half bundled) with 2.27 million. The first generally unbundled game is Call of Duty 4 with sales of 2.06 million.

So to put it in a pretty graph that we can all refer to

Last Gen Now Mid December
Xbox / 360 38 31 29
Gamecube / Wii 38 16 11
PS2 / PS3 208 7 2

So what does all this currently show us? The PS3 has a lot to live up to and has improved quite dramatically since December.

The Wii, which everyone has said has no games, has over double the million sellers compared to the PS3.

The 360 however is way ahead of everyone else currently, it did have a years head start though.

I’ll re-visit this in the middle of the year to see what’s changed…

http://www.lazygamer.co.za/xbox-360/million-selling-games/

Okay, so right now the Wii has over double the amount of million selling game than the PS3, including 1st and 3rd parties. What does that say to your point, you stupid as shiit troglodyte? That maybe the world would be better off if you went ahead