Yippie!!!! I won't have to buy a $2000 pc

[Shinjifei]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6185256.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0

Crysis is coming to X-box and PS3

Considering I believe they sold less than a couple hundread thousand copies they didn't have a choice if they wanted to make some money.

[silversparrow]

They've only announced that they are using the CryEngine 2.0. We have to wait until GDC to see what exactly is planned for the PS3/360. My guess is that it will be a spinoff of Crysis (like Far Cry Instincts) rather than a direct port.

[T.Tashi]

That's cool but I wish The Witcher was coming to consoles.

[BaneNWN]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6185256.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0

Crysis is coming to X-box and PS3

Considering I believe they sold less than a couple hundread thousand copies they didn't have a choice if they wanted to make some money.

$2000 for a PC? Funny i just got done building one for only a few hundred more then what a 360 costs and yes it plays crysis on high settings and smooth.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

$2000 for a PC? Funny i just got done building one for only a few hundred more then what a 360 costs and yes it plays crysis on high settings and smooth.

Care to share what components, OS, case, networking components, and monitor you got and where you got them for such a bargain? Because you make it sound like you just built a complete machine, as opposed to upgrading. I can see upgrading for a bit more than a console, but not building a completely new machine with all new parts.

[T.Tashi]

Care to share what components, OS, case, networking components, and monitor you got and where you got them for such a bargain? Because you make it sound like you just built a complete machine, as opposed to upgrading. I can see upgrading for a bit more than a console, but not building a completely new machine with all new parts.

From the article:
While general attendees may not be able to get a peek at the console editions of the engine, Crytek will be showing off the fully optimized engine's performance on a budget PC that could be put together for about $600.

I can't see doing it for less than that. I was even surprised to read that.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

From the article:


I can't see doing it for less than that. I was even surprised to read that.

That article said they were <b>going to be</b> showcasing a new engine that can run on a budget PC of less than $600. Not a budget PC that can run the current engine.

But clue me in, because I don't know where you are from but here in the states you aren't building a PC that can run Crysis for $600. Come on, you guys are blowing smoke. If so, it shouldn't be too hard to list the components and how much they costs and where to get them. Start with the monitor and its size, the cpu, mobo and memory, then the GPU and O/S hell right there you are easily up to $1000, unless you are rolling with like a 17inch cheapie monitor. I haven't built a PC lately, but it ain't been that long.

[T.Tashi]

That article said they were <b>going to be</b> showcasing a new engine that can run on a budget PC of less than $600. Not a budget PC that can run the current engine.

But clue me in, because I don't know where you are from but here in the states you aren't building a PC that can run Crysis for $600. Come on, you guys are blowing smoke. If so, it shouldn't be too hard to list the components and how much they costs and where to get them. Start with the monitor and its size, the cpu, mobo and memory, then the GPU and O/S hell right there you are easily up to $1000, unless you are rolling with like a 17inch cheapie monitor. I haven't built a PC lately, but it ain't been that long.

Ah ok. My bad.

I get all my stuff at newegg. They have great deals on barebones stuff. But build a Windoze PC on par (graphically) with the PS3 for $600? On that one site yeah I think I could do it. That would be sans the bluray drive, bluetooth etc. It would also be sans the monitor which I wouldn't start with. I'd start with the casing and power supply first. If you're budgeted at $600, you want the bulk of that money in the machine, not the monitor.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Ah ok. My bad.

I get all my stuff at newegg. They have great deals on barebones stuff. But build a Windoze PC on par (graphically) with the PS3 for $600? On that one site yeah I think I could do it. That would be sans the bluray drive, bluetooth etc. It would also be sans the monitor which I wouldn't start with. I'd start with the casing and power supply first. If you're budgeted at $600, you want the bulk of that money in the machine, not the monitor.

Oh I used them before too. I agree with you in that $600 could get u a CPU/MOBO/MEM/HDD/CASE & a cheap video card, but not much more than that. But I would think if you want to talk about replicating the home theater experience as best as possible, the first thing you are going to want is a nice monitor and speakers. I wouldn't build a PC from scratch without spending at least $1500. Plus now for DX10 you need Vista right, I don't think you can get a licensed copy as easily as you get a copy of windows back in the day.

[T.Tashi]

Oh I used them before too. I agree with you in that $600 could get u a CPU/MOBO/MEM/HDD/CASE & a cheap video card, but not much more than that. But I would think if you want to talk about replicating the home theater experience as best as possible, the first thing you are going to want is a nice monitor and speakers. I wouldn't build a PC from scratch without spending at least $1500. Plus now for DX10 you need Vista right, I don't think you can get a licensed copy as easily as you get a copy of windows back in the day.

I think I could still get a nice video card and stay within budget, but if you're talking a home theatre experience then yeah you're talking over a grand easy. Vista... damn I forgot about that but THINK if the video card supports DX10 you're ok. But I'm not sure on that. Going that route though with surround and a nice monitor, and DX10 support, I'd spring for something like this for my gpu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130072

By the time you find a psu to power it though, the $600 is shot to hell.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I think I could still get a nice video card and stay within budget, but if you're talking a home theatre experience then yeah you're talking over a grand easy. Vista... damn I forgot about that but THINK if the video card supports DX10 you're ok. But I'm not sure on that. Going that route though with surround and a nice monitor, and DX10 support, I'd spring for something like this for my gpu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130072

By the time you find a psu to power it though, the $600 is shot to hell.

These things are getting ridiculous, is that a video card or a turbo charger for a car? Definitely can't tell by the price.

[silversparrow]

These things are getting ridiculous, is that a video card or a turbo charger for a car? Definitely can't tell by the price.

Hey, if you've got the money and the passion, then why not?

BTW PC gaming and amateur car tuning share many similarities. They're both not for everyone, but those who are committed to each feel it's worth the cost.

[Mochan]

Care to share what components, OS, case,

networking components, and monitor you got and where you

got them for such a bargain? Because you make it sound like

you just built a complete machine, as opposed to upgrading. I

can see upgrading for a bit more than a console, but not

building a completely new machine with all new parts.

Why are people still skeptical about this? I posted a shopping

list of this before a few months back before Christmas and I

managed to recreate my current PC using prices lifted off

NewEgg.com and it was pretty cheap, and my PC runs

Crysis just fine.



That article said they were going to be showcasing a new

engine that can run on a budget PC of less than $600. Not a

budget PC that can run the current engine.

Umm no it says the optimized engine (i.e. patched to current

version) can run on a $600 budget PC.


Start with the monitor and its size, the cpu,

mobo and memory, then the GPU and O/S hell right there you

are easily up to $1000, unless you are rolling with like a

17inch cheapie monitor. I haven't built a PC lately, but it ain't

been that long.

Monitor Price is not included do you include your HDTV into

the cost when you buy your $400 console? Anyway since

you asked nicely here let me do your shopping for you:


A64 X2 5000 AM2 - 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103211

EVGA 8800GT - $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

MSI MBox K9N6SGM + Casing + PSU - $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167009

2GB DDR2 800 RAM - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

WD 250GB 7200 SATA - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262

Liteon 20x Lightscribe Burner - $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106072

There, put that all together you'll have a fully working computer for about $590US, just add a kb and mouse and plug it into your HDTV and you're good to go. This'll run Crysis just fine on High. Has complete 7.1 sound and 10/100 ethernet options. And yes, you can get a (cheap) Kb and Mouse for $10 if you want to nitpick.

I didn't even put much effort into this list I just took the first thing I saw that fit into the budget and specs needed, if you really hunted for bargains with rebates and special offers on NewEgg you could build a better machine for cheaper or close to the same price.

[silversparrow]

Monitor Price is not included do you include your HDTV into

the cost when you buy your $400 console? Anyway since

you asked nicely here let me do your shopping for you:


A64 X2 5000 AM2 - 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103211

EVGA 8800GT - $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

MSI MBox K9N6SGM + Casing + PSU - $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167009

2GB DDR2 800 RAM - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

WD 250GB 7200 SATA - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262

Liteon 20x Lightscribe Burner - $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106072

There, put that all together you'll have a fully working computer for about $590US, just add a kb and mouse and plug it into your HDTV and you're good to go. This'll run Crysis just fine on High. Has complete 7.1 sound and 10/100 ethernet options. And yes, you can get a (cheap) Kb and Mouse for $10 if you want to nitpick.

I didn't even put much effort into this list I just took the first thing I saw that fit into the budget and specs needed, if you really hunted for bargains with rebates and special offers on NewEgg you could build a better machine for cheaper or close to the same price.

Add $150 for a Windows XP or Vista OEM license (for those who don't have one lying around).

[T.Tashi]

Why are people still skeptical about this? I posted a shopping

list of this before a few months back before Christmas and I

managed to recreate my current PC using prices lifted off

NewEgg.com and it was pretty cheap, and my PC runs

Crysis just fine.




Umm no it says the optimized engine (i.e. patched to current

version) can run on a $600 budget PC.




Monitor Price is not included do you include your HDTV into

the cost when you buy your $400 console? Anyway since

you asked nicely here let me do your shopping for you:


A64 X2 5000 AM2 - 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103211

EVGA 8800GT - $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

MSI MBox K9N6SGM + Casing + PSU - $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167009

2GB DDR2 800 RAM - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

WD 250GB 7200 SATA - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262

Liteon 20x Lightscribe Burner - $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106072

There, put that all together you'll have a fully working computer for about $590US, just add a kb and mouse and plug it into your HDTV and you're good to go. This'll run Crysis just fine on High. Has complete 7.1 sound and 10/100 ethernet options. And yes, you can get a (cheap) Kb and Mouse for $10 if you want to nitpick.

I didn't even put much effort into this list I just took the first thing I saw that fit into the budget and specs needed, if you really hunted for bargains with rebates and special offers on NewEgg you could build a better machine for cheaper or close to the same price.

Very nice. :thumbsup:

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Why are people still skeptical about this? I posted a shopping

list of this before a few months back before Christmas and I

managed to recreate my current PC using prices lifted off

NewEgg.com and it was pretty cheap, and my PC runs

Crysis just fine.




Umm no it says the optimized engine (i.e. patched to current

version) can run on a $600 budget PC.




Monitor Price is not included do you include your HDTV into

the cost when you buy your $400 console? Anyway since

you asked nicely here let me do your shopping for you:


A64 X2 5000 AM2 - 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103211

EVGA 8800GT - $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319

MSI MBox K9N6SGM + Casing + PSU - $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167009

2GB DDR2 800 RAM - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

WD 250GB 7200 SATA - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262

Liteon 20x Lightscribe Burner - $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106072

There, put that all together you'll have a fully working computer for about $590US, just add a kb and mouse and plug it into your HDTV and you're good to go. This'll run Crysis just fine on High. Has complete 7.1 sound and 10/100 ethernet options. And yes, you can get a (cheap) Kb and Mouse for $10 if you want to nitpick.

I didn't even put much effort into this list I just took the first thing I saw that fit into the budget and specs needed, if you really hunted for bargains with rebates and special offers on NewEgg you could build a better machine for cheaper or close to the same price.

Nice try, except I kinda do include the monitor. My TV can be used for many purposes aside from gaming so don't be silly a computer without a monitor is incomplete, and if you are going to skimp on your monitor then what difference does it make if you make a nice rig.

As I agreed you can UPGRADE an existing set-up for $600 but to say u can build a <b>complete PC</b> that can run Crysis on high is just a damn lie. You slap a quality monitor, a legit copy of vista, and a nice ky/m to that set-up and you are looking at well over a grand. U want to add a $10 mouse and kybd, come on even on my crappy PC I have a nice ergo kyb and logitech mouse.

You guys are being argumentative, a pc without a monitor, operating system, and ky/m, is just a bag of parts.

[Jaa Phaanom]

Nice try, except I kinda do include the monitor. My TV can be used for many purposes aside from gaming so don't be silly a computer without a monitor is incomplete, and if you are going to skimp on your monitor then what difference does it make if you make a nice rig.

As I agreed you can UPGRADE an existing set-up for $600 but to say u can build a <b>complete PC</b> that can run Crysis on high is just a damn lie. You slap a quality monitor, a legit copy of vista, and a nice ky/m to that set-up and you are looking at well over a grand. U want to add a $10 mouse and kybd, come on even on my crappy PC I have a nice ergo kyb and logitech mouse.

You guys are being argumentative, a pc without a monitor, operating system, and ky/m, is just a bag of parts.

Well, on the other hand, you can use a PC (and a monitor) for much more than just gaming purposes. So I don't think a monitor should be included into the cost. Also, most people probably already have a PC and therefore a keyboard and mouse. However, I do believe you have to include the cost of the OS, which pushes the price to over $700. And I believes Bane's comment was that he put together a PC that was a a few more hundred than a 360 that could run Crysis smoothly on High settings. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe the components Mochan has put together would be capable of that.

[silversparrow]

And I believes Bane's comment was that he put together a PC that was a a few more hundred than a 360 that could run Crysis smoothly on High settings. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe the components Mochan has put together would be capable of that.

The PC Mochan listed could probably play Crysis at high detail on a 4:3 resolution (1280x1024) with AA and AF turned off. You would get around 30 FPS. Not exactly smooth because you're going to run in to a lot of slowdowns at that rate.

[Mochan]

Nice try, except I kinda do include the monitor. My TV can be used for many purposes aside from gaming so don't be silly a computer without a monitor is incomplete, and if you are going to skimp on your monitor then what difference does it make if you make a nice rig.


If you are going to skimp on your TV, your console is useless. Whatever, we are clearly not going to agree on this one because you are clearly trying to put PC gaming in as bad a light as possible.



You guys are being argumentative, a pc without a monitor, operating system, and ky/m, is just a bag of parts.

Whatever, slap on an extra $20 for your mouse and keyboard if you want -- you can get perfectly good m/kb for that price unless you want to go extravagant and get a Logitech DiNovo. OS, anyone who's had a PC before already has an OS and it's perfectly acceptable to use it on your new PC.

[Renzatic Gear]

That videocard is fairly beefy. It could hold it's own against the GTX's quite easily. You could probably go 1280x768, no AA 4x AF on high and still get 30+ FPS easily with that CPU/GPU combo.

See, really, truly, honestly, you won't be able to get a completely new PC that'll run Crysis for under a thousand. You can obviously upgrade for far less than that, but getting a new one straight up is gonna cost a chunk of change.

But ultimately, it doesn't matter how much it costs. I've used this analogy before, but it's kinda like saying people who buy those boxed home theatre setups at Wal-Mart are getting a better deal than those who go all out with the cables, the high end speakers, the receivers, and what not, because they cost less and you don't have to go through all the trouble just to listen to music (and also like Sparrow's ricing out a car analogy). People who go through all that trouble aren't out for the best-for-your-buck approach, they're out to get the best experience they think they can get.

[Mochan]

The PC Mochan listed could probably play Crysis at high detail on a 4:3 resolution (1280x1024) with AA and AF turned off. You would get around 30 FPS. Not exactly smooth because you're going to run in to a lot of slowdowns at that rate.

That PC *will* play Crysis at 720p or 1280x1024 at High, with AA off (AF on) and you will get a bit more than 30fps (more like 40-50 actually, but it will dip below 30 at certain points and admittedly will do so fairly often). That PC I listed is better than my current rig and my PC played Crysis at those settings just fine, plays smooth for the most part but it will run into some hiccups, but then so did GRAW, Prey, Command and Conquer, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Bioshock on the 360.

It certainly wasn't ideal, but for around $600 you still get an awesome experience.

[BaneNWN]

Nice try, except I kinda do include the monitor. My TV can be used for many purposes aside from gaming so don't be silly a computer without a monitor is incomplete, and if you are going to skimp on your monitor then what difference does it make if you make a nice rig.

As I agreed you can UPGRADE an existing set-up for $600 but to say u can build a <b>complete PC</b> that can run Crysis on high is just a damn lie. You slap a quality monitor, a legit copy of vista, and a nice ky/m to that set-up and you are looking at well over a grand. U want to add a $10 mouse and kybd, come on even on my crappy PC I have a nice ergo kyb and logitech mouse.

You guys are being argumentative, a pc without a monitor, operating system, and ky/m, is just a bag of parts.

I built a complete PC minus the montior for 5 bills.If you want to go that route saying a PC is incomplete without a monitor then the same must be said for a tv with a console.

Tower/psu $45
cpu 5600+ x2 140$
msi motherboard $80
160 gig HD 50$
x1900xt gpu 125$ yes it was used but a good gpu will last forever
memory 2 gigs 5300 667 speed memory $60

i know what to look for and im good at building bang for your buck rigs.yes i play crysis on high settings and get 30+ FPS 1024x768 res im sure its playable at higher res but havent tried it yet.I reused cd/dvd rom drive but even if id gone out and bought new ones that still would have put me well under $600.so call me a liar all you want while i sit here and enjoy the most graphically intense game ever made and without any hiccups to boot.I guess if i was consoler id feel ripped off knowing for not to much more money i could build a nice pc it might make me defensive in my stance to.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I built a complete PC minus the montior for 5 bills.If you want to go that route saying a PC is incomplete without a monitor then the same must be said for a tv with a console.

Tower/psu $45
cpu 5600+ x2 140$
msi motherboard $80
160 gig HD 50$
x1900xt gpu 125$ yes it was used but a good gpu will last forever
memory 2 gigs 5300 667 speed memory $60

i know what to look for and im good at building bang for your buck rigs.yes i play crysis on high settings and get 30+ FPS 1024x768 res im sure its playable at higher res but havent tried it yet.I reused cd/dvd rom drive but even if id gone out and bought new ones that still would have put me well under $600.so call me a liar all you want while i sit here and enjoy the most graphically intense game ever made and without any hiccups to boot.I guess if i was consoler id feel ripped off knowing for not to much more money i could build a nice pc it might make me defensive in my stance to.

I'm not calling you a liar, but the fact is you didn't build a completely new PC, you upgraded, you reused parts and I guess the O/S. That's cool. Every PC i've had since 1992 i've build myself, except for my laptop I currently use. I use to build PCs for friends and neighbors. <i>If you are building a PC for someone and they give you $600, you are not going to come back with a completely useable PC with a monitor and OS that can run Crysis on high, PERIOD! </i>I'm sorry if it seems like i'm putting it in a bad light, but its true!

Now if you wanna say you upgraded your PC or a PC can be upgraded for $600, I completely agree. And that is what you and Mochan are talking about. I don't see what the big deal is.

If you wanna say my console cost $2800 because my TV was $2400, okay, but I think we all know that's not the way most people would look at it. But if that makes you feel comfortable, go ahead.

As far as you playing the most graphically intense game ever and all of us are jealous yadda yadda yadda, enjoy! If I was jealous I would simply go today and build a $2000-3000 PC, starting with a gorgeous 20+ inch monitor. But I haven't the slightest inclination. And I think since all of us are gaming on $2000 consoles if you add in the price of our TVs, then console gaming is more expensive then PC gaming, and yet it is still kickin' PC gaming's ass. I'd rather have my dull HD experience on a console with Mass Effect over your razor sharp 12 hour graphical tech-demo showpiece any day. And I know that you think PC gaming rulez! So wow, what else is new? All i'm simply saying is you cannot build a new complete PC that can run Crysis for $600, i'm not attacking you, just stating what we all know. Even you know it. Go tell a customer you can build them a nice rig for $600, then take their money and show up a few days later without a monitor and O/S and kyb/m, hell even speakers and tell me if they have a smile on their face?

[BaneNWN]

http://cgi.ebay.com/MICROSOFT-WINDOWS-XP-HOME-FULL-NEW-WITH-LEGAL-COA-SP2_W0QQitemZ130193332060QQihZ003QQcategoryZ41887Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-Dell-E198WFP-19-inch-Flat-Panel-LCD-Monitor_W0QQitemZ260207560977QQihZ016QQcategoryZ99 228QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD4VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p 1638.m124

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the graphics card is th same one i got i paid :125$ total system cost $585 and i even went high buck on the monitor i could get a nice monitor for 100 even on there and if you look hard enough even less.please dont tell me i cant build one for less then $600 if it couldnt be done i wouldnt have to prove to you otherwize,and you better believe this would play crysis on high.that looks like every component for a pc so lets hear you come up with why this is still bogus

[ThaMaskedGamer]

http://cgi.ebay.com/MICROSOFT-WINDOWS-XP-HOME-FULL-NEW-WITH-LEGAL-COA-SP2_W0QQitemZ130193332060QQihZ003QQcategoryZ41887Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-Dell-E198WFP-19-inch-Flat-Panel-LCD-Monitor_W0QQitemZ260207560977QQihZ016QQcategoryZ99 228QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD4VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p 1638.m124

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the graphics card is th same one i got i paid :125$ total system cost $585 and i even went high buck on the monitor i could get a nice monitor for 100 even on there and if you look hard enough even less.please dont tell me i cant build one for less then $600 if it couldnt be done i wouldnt have to prove to you otherwize,and you better believe this would play crysis on high.that looks like every component for a pc so lets hear you come up with why this is still bogus

OMG he went EBAY on me, lol. Okay dude you win, you can build a complete system that will run Crysis on high for $600. I guess the quality of that system and what lengths one will go through to do so have to be taken into account.

Correct me if i'm wrong, because I really haven't looked into this, but don't you need Vista to for DX10 which is what enables a lot of the more advanced graphical effects that the video card can do? In other words aren't some of these latest graphics cards and games requiring vista/DX10?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Yes^^^.

Guys are funny still don't get why people play on consoles.

Anyway a TV is a purchase you can have without a consoles. There are millions of TV's without consoles. There are millions of PS3's and 360's without HDTV's hooked up to them.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Stolen from GAF. Just to add salt into the wound.

When Epic VP Mark Rein heard co-workers talking about a Call of Duty 4 match, he asked what server they play on. The answer? “Just send us a friends request.”
ImageWhile the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

“I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC,” Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart.

“When [Activision’s] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.”

In 2007, the Xbox 360 version of November's Call of Duty 4 alone had sold over 3 million units. On PC, the game sold 383,000 units at brick-and-mortar retail, according to NPD Group’s US sales data.

Rein also expressed high hopes for user-generated content, both on the whole and specifically for Epic’s own recent shooter, Unreal Tournament 3. The PS3 version of the game (along with PC) supports user-generated mods.

“At some point, I'd like to work with the creators of some of the professional quality mods to help take them to the next level and work with us to build a marketplace where they can make some money off their content,” he said.

And will Epic ever explore genres outside of the shooter genre?

“I don't see that happening in the short-term,” Rein said.

FULL INTERVIEW

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=8925&Itemid=2

LOL.

[T.Tashi]

OMG he went EBAY on me, lol. Okay dude you win, you can build a complete system that will run Crysis on high for $600. I guess the quality of that system and what lengths one will go through to do so have to be taken into account.

I buy new, factory sealed stuff off ebay all the time. And the used laptop I bought 3 years ago, I'm typing on it now. Ebay is great for new or good used gear. Just do the research before you bid or buy.

[Mochan]

In 2007, the Xbox 360 version of November's Call of Duty 4 alone had sold over 3 million units. On PC, the game sold 383,000 units at brick-and-mortar retail, according to NPD Group’s US sales data.

This is deceptive; why are they differentiating between brick and mortar and online sales? Anyone with half a brain knows that online sells at least as much as brick and mortar these days, especially in the US. Sounds like someone is doing a little manipulating of numbers to make the point more poignant.



Anyway a TV is a purchase you can have without a consoles. There are millions of TV's without consoles. There are millions of PS3's and 360's without HDTV's hooked up to them.

What kind of logic is that? The first statement doesn't support the last one. Every PS3 and 360 is hooked up to a TV or montior or some other screen, otherwise they are just a doorstop.

If you can buy a TV for "other uses" then I don't see why one of those uses isn't to attach a PC to it. Same as with the console. Don't foist your doublestandards on me.

[Mochan]

Now if you wanna say you upgraded your PC or a PC can be upgraded for $600, I completely agree. And that is what you and Mochan are talking about. I don't see what the big deal is.


You are just being an idiot, I've shown that MINUS THE MONITOR and OS you can build a perfectly good BRAND NEW COMPLETE PC THAT CAN RUN CRYSIS ON HIGH for under $600.


If you wanna say my console cost $2800 because my TV was $2400, okay, but I think we all know that's not the way most people would look at it. But if that makes you feel comfortable, go ahead.

I don't have a monitor on my PC, yet I can play Crysis on it. Comprende?

All i'm simply saying is you cannot build a new complete PC that can run Crysis for $600, i'm not attacking you, just stating what we all know.

Go wallow in your ignorance if it makes you feel better.


In other words aren't some of these latest graphics cards and games requiring vista/DX10?

It's not a requirement, it's a plus. One that is not worth having right now and certainly not necessary especially if you are budget gaming, which is what we are discussing here. You can perfectly game with above-console-level graphics on DX9.

[Ludicrum]

I had to buy my Xbox 360 with tax return money, you can imagine how I feel about spending a fortune on a PC that can run Crysis. Money is the main reason why I don't game on PCs. High cost of entry, and high accumulative cost of staying current. Which is why I'm glad that CryEngine 2 is coming to consoles.

[Robert-The-Rambler]

You can build a PC that can do incredible stuff with a 24" monitor and a graphics card like a 3870 X2 with full 16x FSAA with almost every game other than Crysis for $1000. An 8 bit panel can be had for $400 or less. Stay far away from 6 bit panels. Naturally you need to know how to build it yourself. Crysis is not a good barometer of general performance and frankly does not look that much better than other games to warrant the awful frame rates. Frankly games like FEAR, Bioshock, and Oblivion are great looking and are a lot of fun. I can play them in a state where they look better than Crysis on medium on both my PCs.

If you order your parts from Newegg.com you can certainly push things much further than you might think.

Micro ATX motherboard with a single PCI Express 16x slot about $50
Radeon 3870 X2 449 or GeForce 8800 GTX $499
4 gigs of DDR 2 800 RAM about $80
Mid Tower Case about $30
Soundblaster X-Fi about $80
Windows Vista Basic 64 bit OEM $95
600 watt plus power supply about $100
Moderate Dual Core CPU about $100

24" 8 bit LCD Monitor $400

With the fastest single graphics cards available today you can build a PC from scratch for about $1500 that will play everything. Certainly $1000 is a possiblity if you drop the video to Radeon 3870 or 8800 GT. And if you have a monitor already you can easily have a monster upgrade for a grand.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Mochan you know what I meant. You can buy a HDTV have full use of it and never buy a console. Go buy a Flatscreen Model without a PC though and see how much fun you have.

And online doesn't do a tenth of the buisness Brick and Mortar does.

[silversparrow]

For those who still think PC gaming is dying...

Crysis sells one million (http://www.incrysis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=612)

[Robert-The-Rambler]

Mochan you know what I meant. You can buy a HDTV have full use of it and never buy a console. Go buy a Flatscreen Model without a PC though and see how much fun you have.

And online doesn't do a tenth of the buisness Brick and Mortar does.

You can buy a 24" monitor and use it as a 1080p HDTV in a bedroom or anywhere else as long as you have a cable box/ sat receiver with a compatible input with your monitor.

[ilnadmy]

Yup, I have a 20" monitor I'm not using for a computer. I've got my PS3 hooked up to it actually.

[Mochan]

For those who still think PC gaming is dying...

Crysis sells one million (http://www.incrysis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=612)

I guess it was a slow start, gradually gaining momentum, just like the original Far Cry. So much for the myth PC gaming dying. While PC game sale figures will never reach console levels, who cares it's doing just fine on its own and us devout attendees are glad we have additional options outside of the Canned Console route.

I have nothing against consoles, I love consoles I play on them I have a PSP that is getting a lot of playtime and my PS2 still has life left in it after 5 years of meritorious service. But there are things you just don't get from a console and the PC fills that void just fine, you haters can hate all you want but just because you don't (or can't) do it doesn't mean you have to get so envious in your denial that you have to bash it.

If everyone had that kind of mentality everyone would be badmouthing everyone else's wives because they couldn't screw them.

[T.Tashi]

I guess it was a slow start, gradually gaining momentum, just like the original Far Cry. So much for the myth PC gaming dying. While PC game sale figures will never reach console levels, who cares it's doing just fine on its own and us devout attendees are glad we have additional options outside of the Canned Console route.

I have nothing against consoles, I love consoles I play on them I have a PSP that is getting a lot of playtime and my PS2 still has life left in it after 5 years of meritorious service. But there are things you just don't get from a console and the PC fills that void just fine, you haters can hate all you want but just because you don't (or can't) do it doesn't mean you have to get so envious in your denial that you have to bash it.

If everyone had that kind of mentality everyone would be badmouthing everyone else's wives because they couldn't screw them.

Speaking of PCs (sorta) the Asus eee arrived yesterday. I messed around with it and it is as every bit as cool as it seemed it would be. If you wanna tinker with Linux Asus really cripped this thing out the box. I think they really wanted to prevent noobs from messing something up and bombarding them with calls. So I had to go online to find the commands to enable the full desktop but that was easy. And I found the wife a substitute for Chikka. Apparently you can use google's talk protocol to use Chikka through Pidgin. I like it better 'cause you get tabbed message windows and it's more stable than Chikka's messenger. I won't tell the wife about the full desktop mode tho. That's just for me when I mess around with it. I do think it's overpriced though. The $399 models need to be at the most, $299. Irrelevant though 'cause they seem to be selling like crazy.