Vgr I Regret To Inform You, After 2 Years

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Of meritorious service, TMG's 360 has fallen in combat! My 360 died on the last leg of a long campaign with Mass Effect!

Yup people, haterz, and fellow victims before me, it is true! My 360 has finally died, succumbed to the 3 Red Rings and bricked by Mass Effect! It happened two days ago, I actually got it working again, but then it died again! So last night I called MS and they were really cordial, and to my surprise my coffin actually arrived today!!!!! Unfortunately, I wasn't here to accept it. But I was shocked, the guys said 3-5 days but the coffin came today.

Am I upset, no. I can't be upset because so many great things are happening in my life right now I couldn't care less about a videogame system. So I get to use this time to get nice and intimate with my PS3 and in a few weeks I get my 360 back. I get to keep my HDD so i don't have to worry about losing all of my data and saved files. And who knows, maybe I get a brand new console back? Which would be great! Worse case I get mine back repaired, but maybe they actually know what they are doing this late in the game and are probably pretty good with their repairs. The other thing is i'm thankful it happened now, if it was going to happen, because I only had until Dec. before my 3 years would have been up.

So yup, i'm out of commission!

[Cuddly Knife]

YOu're not out of commission, because you still have a PS3.

BWA-ha, ha, ha, ha!!!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

YOu're not out of commission, because you still have a PS3.

BWA-ha, ha, ha, ha!!!

Oh man, I got so lucky it died before I bought Burnout. So yeah I picked it up for the PS3. Along with F1 and I rented RFOM. So yeah I get to get a little bit more intimate with my PS3, whether I like it or not.

It really isn't that bad because after M.E. I had no big games on my plate. I was going to pick up A.C., but I will just chill with B.O. and F1, and then just finish M.E. and get A.C. when my 360 comes home. If it was going to break, this is a good time of the year. It is just funny as hell that it died right after Shepard got some bootie! As soon as he busted a nut, I got an achievement for being a Paramour, then Joker came on the intercom and that was all that she wrote!

I can't remember if yours died or not, do you know if they are replacing units or generally just refurbing them at this point? I talked to a guy at EB and he said there is a good chance I might get a new unit. Come on MS, i've been good to you, be good to me too baby.

[Cuddly Knife]

I had one that bricked from an update, but no rrod for me.:D

I know there's a way to see if you have a newer model. Five or someone else might know.

[Ocelot]

TMG, it's good to hear that things are looking up in your life. Really sucks that your 360 bricked. I hear a lot of people arguing over this issue still and why we keep going back for more. The 360 is about the only system I could really tolerate this happening with. Why? The games man...the games. I want to hack through my current titles and play what's coming. I hope your next one has the newer mobo in it and it can last a full console life.

Peace!

[Fivespot]

Sucks TMG. Sorry to read about the dead 360. Hope to see you online with the PS3 in the interim.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

It's never good to hear about another VGR member joining the RROD club.

I wouldn't be surprised that, after you get your 360 back (or another one), you end up playing your PS3 more.

[Gamer From '78]

Of meritorious service, TMG's 360 has fallen in combat! My 360 died on the last leg of a long campaign with Mass Effect!

Yup people, haterz, and fellow victims before me, it is true! My 360 has finally died, succumbed to the 3 Red Rings and bricked by Mass Effect! It happened two days ago, I actually got it working again, but then it died again! So last night I called MS and they were really cordial, and to my surprise my coffin actually arrived today!!!!! Unfortunately, I wasn't here to accept it. But I was shocked, the guys said 3-5 days but the coffin came today.

Am I upset, no. I can't be upset because so many great things are happening in my life right now I couldn't care less about a videogame system. So I get to use this time to get nice and intimate with my PS3 and in a few weeks I get my 360 back. I get to keep my HDD so i don't have to worry about losing all of my data and saved files. And who knows, maybe I get a brand new console back? Which would be great! Worse case I get mine back repaired, but maybe they actually know what they are doing this late in the game and are probably pretty good with their repairs. The other thing is i'm thankful it happened now, if it was going to happen, because I only had until Dec. before my 3 years would have been up.

So yup, i'm out of commission!

It's a sad day TMG. Is there anyone here besides me who HASN'T had their 360 take a dump on them? I read an article recently on a tech website about the faults in the 360 manufacturing. The article said that additional airflow to keep the temperature down inside would likely lead to prolonged life and less stress on the mobo. Maybe my USB fan vortex and "risers" I have under my 360 are doing some good after all, huh?

It's funny, because I don't have any "sneaking suspicions" about my PS3 when I run it for long periods of time that it will konk out on me.

More and more, I am "shuffling" my must-buy list of games around to lessen my 360 purchases and bulking up my PS3 purchases. I've already decided to buy the PS3 versions of Soul Calibur IV, Resident Evil 5 and Devil May Cry 4, if I pick up Star Wars Force Unleashed, it will be on the PS3 as well.

If Splinter Cell Conviction truly does come to the PS3, I will buy it there if I buy it at all. Right now, I am not that hot on what I have seen. The only 360 games that I KNOW I will buy this year is Halo Wars and Ninja Gaiden 2. The way things are going, Too Human won't even show this year. I've never waited so long for a game. I wanted to play this one back when it was announced (and shown) on the PSOne.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Too Human is going to be one of those games where it's off my radar until either a demo shows up on Live, or there's a definite release month. I figure a release day is just too much to expect from them (maybe a demo anytime this quarter may be too much as well). As much as I want to play it, there's other games that I am going to take a look at (Dark Sector, Viking: Battle for Asgard, Fracture) instead of waiting for Silicon Knights.

[T.Tashi]

Q: Does some games more than others cause hardware failure. Gears of War and Dead Rising were thought to be system killers when they came out.

Of course. Infant mortality, which is a weakened mechanical "thing" like a solder joint with a void in it, are exercised to failure by cyclic stress. The number of cycles and the amplitude of temperature change from low to high determine how quickly it will fail. Certain games will consume more bandwidth on the GPU, which has the most substandard thermal solution on the mother board, making it a lot hotter, warping the mobo and flexing the solder joints. Weak joints fail quickly. The better the game, the more often it will be played, again accelerating failures.

Two years is a good run, considering.

[Mochan]

Of meritorious service, TMG's 360 has fallen in combat! My 360 died on the last leg of a long campaign with Mass Effect!

Yup people, haterz, and fellow victims before me, it is true! My 360 has finally died, succumbed to the 3 Red Rings and bricked by Mass Effect! It happened two days ago, I actually got it working again, but then it died again! So last night I called MS and they were really cordial, and to my surprise my coffin actually arrived today!!!!! Unfortunately, I wasn't here to accept it. But I was shocked, the guys said 3-5 days but the coffin came today.

Am I upset, no. I can't be upset because so many great things are happening in my life right now I couldn't care less about a videogame system. So I get to use this time to get nice and intimate with my PS3 and in a few weeks I get my 360 back. I get to keep my HDD so i don't have to worry about losing all of my data and saved files. And who knows, maybe I get a brand new console back? Which would be great! Worse case I get mine back repaired, but maybe they actually know what they are doing this late in the game and are probably pretty good with their repairs. The other thing is i'm thankful it happened now, if it was going to happen, because I only had until Dec. before my 3 years would have been up.

So yup, i'm out of commission!

Sorry to hear that buddy the last 360 standing now I think is 78's. Or I think Cuddly's is also still alive.

[ilnadmy]

Tappy I believe talked about how his 360 is still fully functional.

[Mochan]

Well that won't last long I'm sure. :devil:

[slade]

My 360 is still working. Going on one year and two months now.

[Cuddly Knife]

Yup, sladeski and mine are still cranking. I had one brick after an update, but still, it's really old already, and gotten hundreds of hours of use, if not thousands. I don't think Tapps has had one that long. Surely not over a year?

[Ludicrum]

TMG, it's good to hear that things are looking up in your life. Really sucks that your 360 bricked. I hear a lot of people arguing over this issue still and why we keep going back for more. The 360 is about the only system I could really tolerate this happening with. Why? The games man...the games. I want to hack through my current titles and play what's coming. I hope your next one has the newer mobo in it and it can last a full console life.

Peace!

True. I sometimes hope that there some major turning that causes all the great games to come out for the PS3. Nothing against Microsoft, I positively adore my Xbox 360 when it works, but I do want to be able to play all of these great games without having to fear that my console with brick on me again.

So long as the Xbox 360 has the games I will keep using it. But if that ever changes I'm jumping ship and swimming towards a sturdier vessel (worst metaphor ever!).

[ThaMaskedGamer]

TMG, it's good to hear that things are looking up in your life. Really sucks that your 360 bricked. I hear a lot of people arguing over this issue still and why we keep going back for more. The 360 is about the only system I could really tolerate this happening with. Why? The games man...the games. I want to hack through my current titles and play what's coming. I hope your next one has the newer mobo in it and it can last a full console life.

Peace!

Yup..I agree. I'm not going to be pissed at MS at the moment, I've had two years of great gaming and they are fixing my console for free. If they do it right the first time, then how can I really be upset. Anything can break within 2 years, of course I know why this broke and knew this was a systematic fault, but still anything can break in two years. And I use my 360 more than just about any other electronic device I have, aside from the TV it is connected to, and even that died!

If I keep having problems after I get it back, then I won't cut MS anymore slack. Is your PSN ID the same?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Sucks TMG. Sorry to read about the dead 360. Hope to see you online with the PS3 in the interim.

Add me Five, my ID is PHASE-VELOCITY. I've got B.O. also, that makes you me and Gadfly far as I know with the PS3 version. I might try and go online with it this evening sometime if you are around.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

It's never good to hear about another VGR member joining the RROD club.

I wouldn't be surprised that, after you get your 360 back (or another one), you end up playing your PS3 more.


Oh this has definitely opened the door up for the PS3. I was going to get BO:P and DMC4 on the 360 because of rumble and achievements, but I had to get BO:P on PS3 so that's a direct loss for 360, DMC4 will likely be also. And then I picked up F1 and I expect to put in as much time on that game as i've put in on Forza2.

I think 360 had the edge for those few reasons in multiplats, but pretty soon PS3 is going to get the rumble controllers, and really gamerpoints are overrated, i'll be cool as long as the PS Network operates smoothly. Plus my PS3 is connected to my Samsung 71F so I don't mind playing on it at all. I knew this year i'd shift a lot of time to the PS3 with Killzone2, MGS2, and GT5, but I just didn't expect to be doing it this soon. Now of course, depending on how my repair goes, just because of uncertainty I may decide to buy multiplats on the PS3. I'm not holding a grudge against MS, but heck we just bought a bunch of 360 games that we cannot play, I almost bought Rock Band too. So, i'm not sure about investing a bunch of money into 360 down the road.

Question for ya, or anyone else. Are you guys using racing wheels for PS3? I thought there was a good wheel available, but all I see advertised is a Mad Catz wheel. I remember seeing something about a $300 wheel based on a Porche?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Sorry to hear that buddy the last 360 standing now I think is 78's. Or I think Cuddly's is also still alive.

Thanks Mochan, it really shocked the sh*t out of me. After all of this time I thought I happened to get one that was well manufactured, in the end it looks like it was probably my chilly basement and airy wall unit that kept it alive for this long.

The timing of it though was just so ironic, playing M.E. toward the end, right after the love scene! WTF?

[Cuddly Knife]

FOX got in your system and killed it from the insides!!!

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Question for ya, or anyone else. Are you guys using racing wheels for PS3? I thought there was a good wheel available, but all I see advertised is a Mad Catz wheel. I remember seeing something about a $300 wheel based on a Porche?

I don't have a wheel for the PS3. I want to guess that Logitech will come out with a wheel around the time Gran Turismo comes out, but I'm not sure. After trying to play games with the 360 wheel, I'm content on using the regular controllers for racing games. It doesn't really enhance the gameplay (it makes it worse in some games), and it's annoying having to get it and plug everything up just to play some Burnout Paradise.

[Glockstar]

Sorry to hear that buddy the last 360 standing now I think is 78's. Or I think Cuddly's is also still alive.

Mine hasn't Red Ringed. It's been in the shop, but not for the RROD issue.

I think the fixes they made to it (for frozen screens and for disk read failures) were like preventative medicine for the RROD. I don't fear it anyway. And I'm frequently putting in a lot of long nights on the thing. Yesterday was a 12+ hour session with Crackdown, for example. Anyways, whether I fear it or not, I still got another 1.1 years on the RROD warranty.

And I've got so many other systems, and so many other games to play on those systems that being without one particular system for 3 weeks would be actually more like blessing for me than an inconvenience. (Take away my 360, take away my Xbox, take away my NDS, take away my PSP... please, take them all away for 3 weeks... it's the only way I'm going to actually sit down and concentrate on my PS2 games!) Unless, of course, the system quit on me right in the middle of a session, and/or right at a good part in the game - like the end - like what happened to TMG. That would suck. Sorry TMG. :(

[silversparrow]

Thanks Mochan, it really shocked the sh*t out of me. After all of this time I thought I happened to get one that was well manufactured, in the end it looks like it was probably my chilly basement and airy wall unit that kept it alive for this long.

That might be more of a curse than a blessing. You've got one year left before your warranty expires, so if your refurbed 360 lives past that date and kicks the bucket later... :eek:

[Glockstar]

MS has got a warranty on their repairs as well. The repairs were guaranteed for one year, but that was back when the RROD Warranty was still part of the Regular One-Year Warranty; I don't know if the Repairs Warranty has been bumped up to three years too, or if it's still just one year. (TMG should call and ask. :wink5: )

[ThaMaskedGamer]

MS has got a warranty on their repairs as well. The repairs were guaranteed for one year, but that was back when the RROD Warranty was still part of the Regular One-Year Warranty; I don't know if the Repairs Warranty has been bumped up to three years too, or if it's still just one year. (TMG should call and ask. :wink5: )

Before I called I looked into this on their website, if I recall correctly the post service warranty period is 1 year.

I'm really hoping for a new console, if I don't get a new console I think I'll try and sell this one and go get a new one. But i'll probably wait until there is another batch of price drops.

Another thing I'm hoping for is a new console configuration, maybe MS introduces a console with a Blu-ray drive or perhaps a console with a shrunken more efficient GPU.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I think the easiest way to know if you got a new one is to see if it's a new is one is to check and see if it has HDMI. They sent me a new one hopefully they'll send you one.

As far as buying games for the PS3 I'd probably just by the exlusives. I bought COD4 on it because my 360 was being repaired but for the most part the games are led on the 360 from GTAIV to Madden Thq just recently cancelled Frontlines for the PS3 maybe the Japanese games will be better there but the controller even the DS3 still suck (offset the freaking thumbsticks please sony).

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I'm just the opposite. I plan on buying mainly exclusives for the 360 and everything else for the PS3, unless there's some big technical difference in the PS3 and 360 versions of games. I'll still throw the occasional bone to the 360 with multiplatform games, like CoD4 and Burnout Paradise.

[silversparrow]

I think the easiest way to know if you got a new one is to see if it's a new is one is to check and see if it has HDMI. They sent me a new one hopefully they'll send you one.

This page (http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152&p=3) shows how you can identify a 360 with the Falcon chipset.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Has anyone here had a FALCON go bad, no anecdotes, personal experience?

I was talking with the guy at EB, he said he has had 6 360s die on him!!! But he said they have been seeing a dramatic reduction in failures since Falcon and his current 360 is a Falcon.

[silversparrow]

Has anyone here had a FALCON go bad, no anecdotes, personal experience?

I was talking with the guy at EB, he said he has had 6 360s die on him!!! But he said they have been seeing a dramatic reduction in failures since Falcon and his current 360 is a Falcon.

According to the recent MS insider interview, they've managed to bring the failure rate down to 10% with the Falcon

[Gamer From '78]

According to the recent MS insider interview, they've managed to bring the failure rate down to 10% with the Falcon

Any type of heat reduction is going to help. The Falcon chipset runs cooler, hence less internal heat inside the box. However, it is too early to tell if this will have any significant impact on the failure rate. Furthermore, until the main culprit-the GPU-is shrunk down to 65nm chips, their will be problems.

The heat-piping and smaller CPU chips is like taking one log off of a fire. The fire is still there, in this case the GPU.

And where is MassiWhacko in all this? If I remember correctly, he said my extra cooling wouldn't do....I believe $h!t is the word?...to help prolong the life of my system. But then again, this IS Massiwhacko we are talking about here. :rolleyes:

[theWacoKid]

Any type of heat reduction is going to help. The Falcon chipset runs cooler, hence less internal heat inside the box. However, it is too early to tell if this will have any significant impact on the failure rate. Furthermore, until the main culprit-the GPU-is shrunk down to 65nm chips, their will be problems.

The heat-piping and smaller CPU chips is like taking one log off of a fire. The fire is still there, in this case the GPU.

And where is MassiWhacko in all this? If I remember correctly, he said my extra cooling wouldn't do....I believe $h!t is the word?...to help prolong the life of my system. But then again, this IS Massiwhacko we are talking about here. :rolleyes:

Yeah, and you're the effin clown who bought a ps3 because you're so terrified your 360 would break down. So STFU, you douchebag hypocrite, where's your old sig, there, pal. You know, the one that reads, ps3, suckstation.

Action talks, bullsh#$ walks, and your actions, buying a ps3, tell all. I'm not the hypocritical flipflopping dumbasses like you and TMG, bashing a system one day and then buying it the next. I complained about the 360 for months before I bought a ps3. And I never bashed the ps3 as overpriced junk, I alway maintained it was an excellent piece of hardware engineering, even if I didn't agree with the cpu/gpu architecture.

The pair of you make me sick, snivelling, little worms, calling me a flip flopper, what a pair of major league jerks. And guess what, there, genius, who knows if you're cooling did anything or not. Prove that it did. Go ahead, I'm sure there are launch 360s out there still working that don't boast any additional cooling or venting. Maybe it helped, then maybe it didn't. We really won't ever know, now, will we?

[slade]

Gamer, your cooling solution proves nothing at this point. After you've gone past year two and have had zero problems, then it might prove something. I don't even think you've had the console for a whole year.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Yeah, and you're the effin clown who bought a ps3 because you're so terrified your 360 would break down. So STFU, you douchebag hypocrite, where's your old sig, there, pal. You know, the one that reads, ps3, suckstation. A whole bunch of guys on this site only bought PS3s because they feared RROD, so how does that make him any different, if that is his reason.

<b>
Action talks, bullsh#$ walks, and your actions, buying a ps3, tell all. I'm not the hypocritical flipflopping dumbasses like you and TMG, bashing a system one day and then buying it the next. </b> Oh no, you are a much bigger hypocrite. You loved the 360 and its games, but then your 360 breaks and you completely jump on board the PS3 and love all of its games, even though they are largely the same ones on the 360 minus the best ones! Go figure. So everyone sees right through you, you are just a broke arse chump mad 'cause you spent $$ on a device that broke.

<b> I complained about the 360 for months before I bought a ps3. </b> I never heard that, and I never heard you bashing XBOX or XBOX LIVE last generation. Now all of a sudden XBLA is a rip-off. Its better than it was last generation for the same price and now its a rip-off.

<b> And I never bashed the ps3 as overpriced junk, I alway maintained it was an excellent piece of hardware engineering, even if I didn't agree with the cpu/gpu architecture. </b>And this is where you expose yourself. The PS3 is a marvel, an excellent piece of hardware engineering hunh? Well you may be right, but hardware ain't crap without the software. So right now the PS3 for all of its marvelous tech is nothing more than a redundant choice to the 360. It lacks dozens of great games the 360 has and at best only RECENTLY has managed to mirror the 360 with big holes in the mirror like Bioshock, Halo3, and M.E.

Sure the PS3 will come along, but today(nor yesterday) is not the day to brag about the PS3. It has a long way to go before it can provide a library of games that will make people forget about the 360.

My 360 just broke and I already miss the darn thing. I'm playing BO:P which can't be called a feather in PS3's cap because it is on the 360 in equal quality with custom soundtracks, rumble, and LIVE and I planned on getting it there originally. I'm playing RFOM which is not a bad game, it is just boring as all hell. Its the most linear straight forward shoveled down a track shooter I can think of and the game is just boring. I took it out and played F1 yesterday. F1 is good, very technical, no complaints, finally a truely good PS3 exclusive. But the fact is your marvel of hardware engineering is limp-noodle in the games department, continues to lack rumble.

It doesn't really matter why anyone buys what, our reasons don't affect what games appear on each console. Reasons don't mean sh*t, the only thing that matters is games. I bought a PS3 because I wanted two consoles late last summer I said if they do drop the price to $400 I would get one around XMAS, EVEN THOUGH I KNEW IT LACKED A LOT OF GAMES. So I did. And I haven't bashed the PS3 other than to tell the truth for all of the year it was released. I've said consistently it was overpriced, it was, the whole world agreed! I've said consistently the network needed improvements, Sony believes so too. I've said consistently they needed rumble, period! Sony finally agreed. And the last thing i've said is they need to finally get some great exclusives, EVERYONE knows this is true. So quit cryin', open your eyes and speak the truth for once. 360 has RROD, but the best service and best games, there is nothing to debate at the moment. PS3 has the best hardware but has a significant disadvantage when it comes to games.

Stop being a hypocrite, yeah it hurts when your console breaks, but when are you going to stop acting like a hurt lil' beyotch?

[Ocelot]

Gamer, your cooling solution proves nothing at this point. After you've gone past year two and have had zero problems, then it might prove something. I don't even think you've had the console for a whole year.

Hmmmm, I'm kinda with Slade on this one But that's not to say Gamers cooling system isn't top notch and actually working this time!!

When I picked up my second 360 I grabbed that external cooling system that sits below your standing 360 and has its own power source to boot. This didn't do a thing, my 2nd 360 only lasted from around April to August.

Now I've had my current 360 since August with no cooling system attached at all....it's still workin' fine. Mind you I have the HDMI version (Prays)

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Gamer, your cooling solution proves nothing at this point. After you've gone past year two and have had zero problems, then it might prove something. I don't even think you've had the console for a whole year.

I kinda agree here because even in the summer time my basement is cool. In the winter it is usually around 61 unless I turn on the heat. When I was playing M.E. when my system died, I had a space heater next to the couch(about 17 feet from the TV) set to 70 degrees. The area near my TV and XBOX couldn't have been hotter than 65 degrees. When these things go, the internal temps on the motherboard must be so hot cooling is not going to make a difference.

Anyway, mine went two years. I'm sure there are some people who have gone longer, I know Darwin has, but I don't think he has put the hours on his I have on mine. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. I would actually remove all that cooling stuff and just play it normally, if it has a structural weakness, you definitely want it to die before your 3 years is up. Heck its only two or three weeks without the console. I for one am glad it died before December, otherwise i'd be S.O.L.

Plus I can't be bothered with trying to artificially cool a console. If I get my 360 back and it continues to have problems, i'll just wind down my use of it and hope PS3 gets better quicker. Or, if I feel like it, if I feel generous(to MS) or if they just get some more killer games, just trade it in for a falcon system.

[Jaa Phaanom]

My second 360 just got the Red Ring of Death. My games had been freezing up on me off and on for quite a while now. And then yesterday I get the 3 red lights. I'm going to stop making game purchases for my 360 from now on. I'm just tired of putting up with this crap.

[Fivespot]

Damn. There's a lot of this going around. In addition to TMG and Jaa Phaanom, two good friends of mine both had 360's red ring in the last week. I think 30% is low. The failure rate has got to be higher than that. Sadly.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

My second 360 just got the Red Ring of Death. My games had been freezing up on me off and on for quite a while now. And then yesterday I get the 3 red lights. I'm going to stop making game purchases for my 360 from now on. I'm just tired of putting up with this crap.

Damn Tikkie that sucks, I guess your system was a refurb and not a falcon. I think if I get anything but a new system back, i'm going to have to move purchases to the PS3. I actuallly still havent gotten my coffin yet!

I thought it was delivered but I wasn't home and FEDEX left a tag, turned out it was something when I went to get the package. So I called yesterday to get the tracking number for my coffin its coming UPS. So now I guess i'll be out of action for a month altogether.

What games are you playing or planning on playing on the PS3?

[Jaa Phaanom]

Damn Tikkie that sucks, I guess your system was a refurb and not a falcon. I think if I get anything but a new system back, i'm going to have to move purchases to the PS3. I actuallly still havent gotten my coffin yet!

I thought it was delivered but I wasn't home and FEDEX left a tag, turned out it was something when I went to get the package. So I called yesterday to get the tracking number for my coffin its coming UPS. So now I guess i'll be out of action for a month altogether.

What games are you playing or planning on playing on the PS3?

I actually got a new unit last time, but it was before the falcon. The must buys for me coming up soon are Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Pro Evo Soccer 08, and GTA IV if it comes out soon. I'm also considering Battlefield Bad Company, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Army of Two, and Destroy All Humans 3 if they turn out good. There are a couple others I can't think of right now.

Most of those games I would have gotten for the 360 simply because I prefer Live to PSN. How many people here are now switching there multiplatform game purchases from the 360 to PS3 because of these reliability issues? Ninja Gaiden 2 would have been a must buy for me, but now I'm not so sure.

[Fivespot]

I've been shifting focus for a while now buying most of the multiplats on PS3. For example I picked up Burnout Paradise & Assasins Creed on the PS3.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

The game will have to be significantly better for me to switch my multiplats. But then again I have a falcon unit. If that fries then I may switch. I just can't bring myself to by games that I feel are better elswhere. Whether that entails me rather playing on live, the controller, Custom Soundtracks or just performance issues.

One thing the RROD has done is make me gun shy buying new arcade releases. I have two harddrives but still got screwed so that's something I consider.

[Cuddly Knife]

I guess I'm the only guy(moron?) left that doesn't let the rrod faze. I've run my 360 for 10 hours straight while in heat that made me sweat(built too hot of a fire). I've accidentally left it running with a game on all night from falling asleep while playing, multiple times. I take it to a lot of different places, all the time. Like a rock. Matter-of-fact, it appears to run better than ever, as I now haven't had my system freeze up for months and months. I've surely had this system for well over a year, and I'd wager that it's closer to two, maybe longer? When was the update that cause mass-brickage, because that's when mine went down.

[Fivespot]

Part of my switching relates to the fact that my friends and family are now playing online PS3 and I enjoy playing with them moreso than strangers. That in addition to the whole RROD fiasco.

I aslo have a slightly different slant regarding the RROD. I'm now speaking with my $$ which is obviously more effective than my voicing concerns in a forum such as this one. If MS is going to learn that consumers won't tolerate this sort of behavior, they're only going to learn by it impacting their bottom line. I buy a lot of games and even though I'm only one person I hope they feel my moving on and I hope that then motivates them to either build a more reliable console next time around or put more energy into fixing the current situation.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Part of my switching relates to the fact that my friends and family are now playing online PS3 and I enjoy playing with them moreso than strangers. That in addition to the whole RROD fiasco.

That's partly why I've stayed primairly 360. Mostly everyone I know plays on live. Every one of my friends is either someone I know in Real life or they're from this site. I had other friends I met gaming online but they're on another account I don't use anymore.


I aslo have a slightly different slant regarding the RROD. I'm now speaking with my $$ which is obviously more effective than my voicing concerns in a forum such as this one. If MS is going to learn that consumers won't tolerate this sort of behavior, they're only going to learn by it impacting their bottom line. I buy a lot of games and even though I'm only one person I hope they feel my moving on and I hope that then motivates them to either build a more reliable console next time around or put more energy into fixing the current situation.

Really can't blame you for that. They sent me a brand new console so I'm a little more forgiving.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

How many people here are now switching there multiplatform game purchases from the 360 to PS3 because of these reliability issues?

I have. I did it during the Holiday season except for CoD4, which I got for the 360. I also got Burnout Paradise for 360, but that had more to do with having the steering wheel. Of the upcoming multiplat games I'm keeping an eye on (DMC4, Army of Two, Dark Sector, Viking), the first two are definite PS3 games. I may throw a bone to the 360 if I get one of the last two games.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

My coffin came yesterday, really not in a hurry to get it back out. I'll probably drop it off or have UPS come get it Monday. So hopefully I get a new console back, it is going to be very strange not having an XBOX for a few weeks:cryin:

[Gamer From '78]

Gamer, your cooling solution proves nothing at this point. After you've gone past year two and have had zero problems, then it might prove something. I don't even think you've had the console for a whole year.

Well, I am on month 15 of owning my 360 (December 2006 through February 2008) and haven't had any problems yet. No lockups, no freezes, no glitches, no nothing. Now I am crossing my fingers and knocking on every piece of wood I can find in this room! :(

But you can't say the extra measures I took are hindering the product at all. PC builders can tell you, the more fans/cooling you put into your rig, the more chance you have of prolonging it's life. The 360 has inadequate cooling. Running those PowerPC cores it has without processor fans is really suicide. And the fans on the back of the unit are inadequate as is the size of the heatsink on the GPU.

The insides of the 360 has a venting cowl (plastic tunnel) that runs directly from the back of the GPU heatsink to the fans in the rear. My external fan (I can't remember the exact speed of it) pulls the air forcefully out of the rear of the 360. Think of it as having two box fans one right behind the other. It WILL increase the air output over what one fan can produce.

In addition, raising the 360 from it's standard footing by approx. 1/4" allows airflow under the unit. The main culprit of the RRoD seems to be from not only the system getting too hot, but from the X-clamp that clamps down over the GPU and is bolted into the motherboard changing temps and flexing the mobo. That's why you can get online and find all kinds of users who have changed their clamps, etc. and brought their RRoD units back to life (though they voided their waranties for cracking the case open).

[Gamer From '78]

Hmmmm, I'm kinda with Slade on this one But that's not to say Gamers cooling system isn't top notch and actually working this time!!

When I picked up my second 360 I grabbed that external cooling system that sits below your standing 360 and has its own power source to boot. This didn't do a thing, my 2nd 360 only lasted from around April to August.

Now I've had my current 360 since August with no cooling system attached at all....it's still workin' fine. Mind you I have the HDMI version (Prays)

Well, my 360 used to vent air hotter than my central air/heat and the discs used to pop out warmer than pocket hand warmers. Since I rigged my fans & such all up, the discs come out cool to the touch and the air vented out of the back is lukewarm at best, even after running GPU intensive games such as Gears and COD4 that are known to push the GPU harder than most titles.

[Gamer From '78]

Barf, puke, vomit.....UgHgH!!! (blood vessel in kneck explodes).

First moron, I bought a PS3 because I wanted to play Uncharted and Unreal Tournament 3. Microsoft's blundering with the user-mod situation over UT3 and the fact that it's not due out for five more months led me to the PS3 version.

Second moron, I always said-and Gadfly among others can back this up-when the PS3 drops to a reasonable price ($400 IS what I paid for my 360..duh!), gets Force Feedback controllers (can import now or buy next month...duh!) and gets a few games I actually WANT to play built up (UT3, Uncharted, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, etc....duh!) then I would buy it.

YOU are the moron who sold your 360 because you were piss-scared of it's failing on you. Unlike YOU moron, I dind't sell my 360 nor abandon gaming on it because of the RRoD.

And unlike YOU moron, I can call out the faults of a system or applaud it's merits. None of the three are perfect. The Wii is full of shovelware and about 99% of the games on it don't even look as good as Gamecube games. The 360 is a piss-poor engineered system and everyday, it seems more and more info slips out about how Microsoft knew it would have an astronomically high failure rate, but they launched anyway to beat PS3 to market. The PS3 is mainly being purchased (at this time) for Blu-Ray players. The launch library was a complete joke (except Resistance), and only barely more than a handful of exclusive titles came out throughout 2007 (seven by my count, but that's just my opinion) that were worth buying and/or playing.

But to argue with an assclown like you is to BE an assclown myself. Got pop a blood vessel somewhere else MassiWhacko.:rolleyes:

[Gamer From '78]

I aslo have a slightly different slant regarding the RROD. I'm now speaking with my $$ which is obviously more effective than my voicing concerns in a forum such as this one. If MS is going to learn that consumers won't tolerate this sort of behavior, they're only going to learn by it impacting their bottom line. I buy a lot of games and even though I'm only one person I hope they feel my moving on and I hope that then motivates them to either build a more reliable console next time around or put more energy into fixing the current situation.


I think you are dead-on with your "slant" Five. Though I do think Microsoft can't ignore the problem any longer or deny it, money talks, BS walks. That's just how it is.

I had originally planned on buying Devil May Cry 4, Soul Calibur 4 and Resident Evil 5 on the 360. Since buying a PS3, I have moved those three purchases over to the PS3. In addition, since there are other PS3 exclusives I want like Metal Gear Solid 4, Tekken 6 and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, I chopped an equal number of 360 games out as I have added PS3 games so I don't spend too much dough. That equals roughly $360 I WON'T be spending on 360 software, and that's just off the top of my head.

And I guess you can throw another bone to Sony, because after playing the God of War Chains of Olympus demo, I paid in full for it. God of War...on a handheld...that looks, sounds and plays as good as it's PS3 bretheren? Sign me up! :cool:

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I have a feeling the RROD problem is going to give MS an excuse to make another next-gen system sooner than needed.