December NPD

[Glockstar]

December 2007 Hardware Sales
1. Nintendo DS -- 2,470,000
2. Wii -- 1,350,000
3. Xbox 360 -- 1,260,000
4. PlayStation 2 -- 1,100,000
5. PlayStation Portable -- 1,060,000
6. PlayStation 3 -- 796,600


Top 10 Software Sales
1. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360) -- 1,470,000
2. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) -- 1,400,000
3. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) -- 1,250,000
4. Wii Play w/ Remote (Wii) -- 1,080,000
5. Assassin's Creed (360) -- 893,700
6. Halo 3 (360) -- 742,700
7. Brain Age 2 (NDS) -- 659,500
8. Madden NFL 08 (PS2) -- 655,200
9. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (360) -- 624,600
10. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games (Wii) -- 613,000

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165504


Wow, three Wii games. Of course, wouldn't you know it, they're the typical fare: Mario, Mario, and more fracking Mario. But that the Buy A Remote, Get A Free Game title, aka Wii Play, is still charting shows that Wii owners aren't all stupid.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Wii play is going to eff around and be the best selling game this gen. And the only system not to crack a million units in DEC is whaddyaknow?

[Cuddly Knife]

Well, out of the peeps that I know, one bought a PS2, 4 bought a 360(two were Arcade bundles), and one bought a PS3. That's even with me telling them to get PS3 systems instead of the rrod prone 360 and the half-price PS2.

What I find kind of trippy is how the Wii has sold a jillion systems, but only 1.5 mil sold for what could be the greatest game of all Mario games?

[Moe2]

Well, out of the peeps that I know, one bought a PS2, 4 bought a 360(two were Arcade bundles), and one bought a PS3. That's even with me telling them to get PS3 systems instead of the rrod prone 360 and the half-price PS2.

What I find kind of trippy is how the Wii has sold a jillion systems, but only 1.5 mil sold for what could be the greatest game of all Mario games?
Because not everybody wants mario, I know alot of people who baught wii and either dont play it, or arent into mario. Kinda sad that they buy it for motion sensing alone, but w/e help nintendo out:cool:

[Glockstar]

Platform ..... 2007 U.S. Sales ....... LIFETIME U.S. Sales
1. NDS ..... 8.5 million ....... 17.65 million
2. Wii ..... 6.29 million ....... 7.38 million
3. 360 ..... 4.62 million ....... 9.15 million
4. PS2 ..... 3.97 million ....... 41.12 million
5. PSP ..... 3.82 million ....... 10.47 million
6. PS3 ..... 2.56 million ....... 3.25 million

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/846/846383p1.html


The numbers above are supposedly straight from NPD. My Excel program shows numbers that are a little different (I have the NDS at 8.42, for example)... but there could be a million reasons for that. Eh, they're close enough. Anyhow, for the following I have to use my own totals.


The Total Console sales (not including the handhelds) for 2007 were 17.5 million. That is way better than any other year.(!) It's a significant statement because the last two years (2005 and 2006) were down years - especially as compared to the previous three. (2002 was second best at 14.1 million.)

The Handheld Total sales were approximately 11.65 million. That is actually down from 2006. (What, forgot about the GBA/SP already?)


A recap of the NPD Top Selling games for each month:
Jan. -- Lost Planet (360)
Feb. -- Crackdown (360)
Mar. -- God of War II (PS2)
Apr. -- Pokemon Diamond (NDS)
May -- Pokemon Diamond (NDS)
Jun. -- Mario Party 8 (Wii)
Jul. -- NCAA Football 08 (360)
Aug. -- Madden NFL 08 (360)
Sep. -- Halo 3 (360)
Oct. -- Halo 3 (360)
Nov. -- Call of Duty 4 (360)
Dec. -- Call of Duty 4 (360)

[ilnadmy]

Go Call of Duty 4!!

[Fivespot]

Go Crackdown.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Crackdown is fun!

I wonder what these charts will look like for 08?

[Gamer From '78]

December 2007 Hardware Sales
1. Nintendo DS -- 2,470,000
2. Wii -- 1,350,000
3. Xbox 360 -- 1,260,000
4. PlayStation 2 -- 1,100,000
5. PlayStation Portable -- 1,060,000
6. PlayStation 3 -- 796,600


Top 10 Software Sales
1. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360) -- 1,470,000
2. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) -- 1,400,000
3. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) -- 1,250,000
4. Wii Play w/ Remote (Wii) -- 1,080,000
5. Assassin's Creed (360) -- 893,700
6. Halo 3 (360) -- 742,700
7. Brain Age 2 (NDS) -- 659,500
8. Madden NFL 08 (PS2) -- 655,200
9. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (360) -- 624,600
10. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games (Wii) -- 613,000

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165504


Wow, three Wii games. Of course, wouldn't you know it, they're the typical fare: Mario, Mario, and more fracking Mario. But that the Buy A Remote, Get A Free Game title, aka Wii Play, is still charting shows that Wii owners aren't all stupid.

The 360 is outselling the PS3 easily in the US, but the PS3 outsells the 360 in both Europe and Japan. If you go by VGChartz, The PS3 was outsold by the 360 in the US by over 30,000 units. But the PS3 outsold the 360 in Europe by 14,000 and in Japan by 29.000 in the week ending January 12th. So Sony is doing a "slow-creep" catching up to the 360 as the months click by.

Microsoft really needs to show some stuff off at E3 this year. No matter what lip-service we get, Bungie leaving the fold is NOT a good thing. There are quite a few exclusives this year for the 360, but what will we see on the PS3? Resistance 2 is coming for the holidays. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is coming. Metal Gear Solid 4. Final Fantasy XIII. If Sony gets God of War 3 out of the gate as well, they could see a boost in sales.

As it stands, the 360 simply outstrips the PS3 in the number of "must-play" titles. And if Gears of War 2 comes out for the holidays, Microsoft could see themselves besting Sony again easily in the US market for the third straight year.

[Glockstar]

Forgot to put in these numbers/charts

Yearly Totals - Game Software (in units sold)
1. Halo 3 (360, Microsoft) - 4.82 million
2. Wii Play with Wii Remote (Wii, Nintendo) - 4.12 million
3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360, Activision) - 3.04 million
4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2, Activision) - 2.72 million
5. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii, Nintendo) - 2.52 million
6. Pokémon Diamond (DS, Nintendo) - 2.48 million
7. Madden NFL 08 (PS2, Electronic Arts) - 1.9 million
8. Guitar Hero II (PS2, Activision) - 1.89 million
9. Assassin's Creed (360, Ubisoft) - 1.87 million
10. Mario Party 8 (Wii, Nintendo) - 1.82 million


Other Year-end Totals - Category / Total / Change
Video Games: $17.94 billion +43%
Video Games Hardware: $7.04 billion +54%
Console Hardware: $5.12 billion +73%
Portable Game Hardware: $1.92 billion +19%
Video Games Software: $8.64 billion +34%
Console Software: $6.64 billion +39%
Portable Game Software: $2.00 billion +18%
Video Game Accessories: $2.26 billion +52%

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6184847.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0


It's funny, that Guitar Hero II for the PS2 is on the Yearly Top 10... that's a 2006 game.

[thelastword]

The 360 is outselling the PS3 easily in the US, but the PS3 outsells the 360 in both Europe and Japan. If you go by VGChartz, The PS3 was outsold by the 360 in the US by over 30,000 units. But the PS3 outsold the 360 in Europe by 14,000 and in Japan by 29.000 in the week ending January 12th. So Sony is doing a "slow-creep" catching up to the 360 as the months click by.

Microsoft really needs to show some stuff off at E3 this year. No matter what lip-service we get, Bungie leaving the fold is NOT a good thing. There are quite a few exclusives this year for the 360, but what will we see on the PS3? Resistance 2 is coming for the holidays. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is coming. Metal Gear Solid 4. Final Fantasy XIII. If Sony gets God of War 3 out of the gate as well, they could see a boost in sales.

As it stands, the 360 simply outstrips the PS3 in the number of "must-play" titles. And if Gears of War 2 comes out for the holidays, Microsoft could see themselves besting Sony again easily in the US market for the third straight year.The year 2007 was Microsoft's year, as it relates to software sales, and naturally, when all this software is being bought the hardware lever is going to follow suit, so that explains 360 sales in the wake of Halo3, COD4 and Bioshock. The point here is, these highest selling games are focused primarily on American tastes, and the results there are not at all surprising.

The bigger picture is drawn on the board however, this was PS3's first full blown year against MS's second, where microsoft's biggest wave of games were thrown out there, the absolute best from their arsenal, but what do we have here? According to Vgchartz, after all this supposed onslaught from MS, the PS3 is heading to 10 million units against the two-year-out-there 360, at 17 mil.

So yes, MS focused on America but that american load has now been discharged. NG2 and Kazooie are not going to replicate the sales and impact of Halo3 and COD4, neither will Too Human or the overpromising Fable franchise. The point is, no game can be as huge as Halo on the 360, if it's not an fps. I can tell you that worldwide, FF can be bigger than even Killzone or MG and GT can be bigger than all of them, all different genres and all unique games.

So, 2008 sees less of a big budget fps push from MS, but guess what, even with the diverse heavy hitters I mentioned above, the biggest and most ambitious fps for 2008 are all on the PS3. RFOM2, KILLZONE2 and HAZE. Note: Funny, because I always used to mention to folk that Crytek was working on a secret project for the PS3, and guess what, rumours are now circulating the net, that Crysis is heading to the PS triple. FarCry2 is also coming to the machine and so is Timesplitters 4 (from the Haze devs).


In essence, 2008 is the year of the playstation 3 and even pachter agrees in his latest writeup, this is where blockbusters will emanante from diverse genres not only fps and this is where the PS3 will clearly outshine the 360 in every genre from a quality and sales standpoint. This is where Sony always wins, because MS catered only to America in 07, Sony is catering to the tastes of the whole world with it's second year block buster games. Europe belongs to Sony, Japan belongs to Sony and they're coming to claim America in 08, not just with the best fps for that year, but with MGS and FF, WKS, HOTSHOTS, GOW3, LBP, HOME, INFAMOUS, MSTORM2, ICO2, EIGHT DAYS, AFRICA and a wave of PSN games like WIPEOUT AND SOCOM and Jaffe's REMAKE of TWISTED METAL. Just a snippet of a list, but it's quite evident that iif you want to game, you need a PS3 in 2008.


The other point that's really clear, is that most people know what good value is, a $400 bluray player with all these games mentioned above is a no brainer. MS did enjoy the best multiformat sales in 07, I think that will change in 2008, as better ports from EA/UBISOFT/ACTIVISION comes through. The year is already starting with a huge PS3 led multiplat in Burnout 4, DMC4 follows soon after and is superior on the PS3 as well, and if you've been following the majority of multiplatform owners (well the smarter ones) are going with the PS3 versions of these games. Hell, Dark Sector is really solid on the PS3 from the latest dev diary and of course Sony will have the best baseball game this year. UE3 games on the PS3 will run better after the smooth and good looking UT3. Rumble nutters are getting their wish come spring and ingame xmb and a slew of other features are soon upon us.

Clearly, this fps year belonged to MS, variety belonged to the PS3, and it's because of variety like Lair, Uncharted, Mstorm, Rfom, Hsword, Folklore, SSHD, EDS, Warhawk and EOJ that the PS3 has inched so close to the 360 after year one. When it lands it major guns in 08 with all the positives mentioned above, the slew of PSN games coming in O8 like Echocrome on March 17th, Fumito Ueda's PSN game (fingers crossed, remake of SOTC). 2008 is simply going to be, the year of the PS3, every gamer will have tonnes to play in varying genres and it will continue to distance itself in the technical realm, even moreso than it has done this year.

[Gadfly2317]

And the only system not to crack a million units in DEC is whaddyaknow?

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The GBA continued to outsell the DS for quite some time, causing the shortsighted to predict doom and gloom in the DS vs PsP war, and look how that turned out.

Clearly the Playstation brand is still strong. . .the Playstation crowd will make the switch to next-gen eventually, and the 360 base is pretty hardcore, and will likely continue to also pick up the Ps3 as it garners more and more essential titles like Uncharted.

I'd actually wager that more 360 owners have bought Ps3's than have Ps2-only owners.

[Mochan]

I would tend to agree with you on that one Gadfly. The people who are buying PS3s now are likely to be multiplat gamers who picked up the 360. People who haven't made the jump yet, are probably not ready to make the jump now and are waiting for the PS3 to flesh out more -- I did the same thing with the PS2 about 5 years ago.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

So yes, MS focused on America but that american load has now been discharged. NG2 and Kazooie are not going to replicate the sales and impact of Halo3 and COD4, neither will Too Human or the overpromising Fable franchise. The point is, no game can be as huge as Halo on the 360, if it's not an fps. I can tell you that worldwide, FF can be bigger than even Killzone or MG and GT can be bigger than all of them, all different genres and all unique games.

So, 2008 sees less of a big budget fps push from MS, but guess what, even with the diverse heavy hitters I mentioned above, the biggest and most ambitious fps for 2008 are all on the PS3. RFOM2, KILLZONE2 and HAZE.

So MS blew its load by focusing on America and "american" games and now in 2008 Sony is going to win because of um "American" games, shooters like RFOM2, Killzone2, and Haze? RFOM1 and Killzone1 sold like dookie relative to XBOX shooters. I see no indication that things will change in terms of Playstation consumer taste. So Sony really seems to be making a tactical error by trying to duplicate MS success with the FPS genre. Even Milkdrinkers like Slade profess they don't like Sony focusing on games like this, I don't think he is alone. Myself, I like the direction personally, but given the taste of the Playstation consumer both here and in Japan, I don't think it is a good move. GEARS2 alone might best RFOM2, Killzone2, and Haze combined, plus isn't Haze eventually coming to the 360?

I think Sony will need to look in other areas for an advantage instead of trying to tackle the 360 head on in its best genre. The performance of MetalGear is going to be a big plus or minus for Sony. If the game is simply good, that won't be good enough. The game will have to be stellar and one of the GOTY candidates for PS3, anything else will be just a failure. GT5 is going to have to release this year, not GT5 Prologue, and GT5 is going to have also be something special. And Sony will have to get back its edge in knick-knack games like LBP and revive J-RPGs. Unfortunately I just don't see a lot of room for PS3 to differentiate itself. Of course it will have a better year than '07, but with so many shared big name titles, exclusive GTA4 content on the 360, and big titles like NG2 and GEARS2 on the horizon the best Sony can hope for in '08 is a draw, the worst is another easy victory for 360. They can't erase a 9million to 3 milliion lead and PS3 will continue to get hammered in software sales, this can only lead to further benefits for 360 such as future exclusive games.

[Cuddly Knife]

UGH.

Too...many...shooters. I just about want to shoot myself with a BFG right in the ballsack, with all the shooters we're seeing on the big two. That's why I got a PS3, to get away from all the goddam shooters. But no, we got RFoM1and2, Haze, KZ2, UT3, Warhawk, Coded Arms, SOCOM, plus a buttload more third-party FPS. Although, there are a few 3ps games that I want to tear up, like Mercanaries 2, The Club(the demo on uk PSN is fun-fun), Bad Company, Fracture, BC, and I still want Stranglehold.

And Crackdown rocks.

[T.Tashi]

The difference between shooters on Xbox and shooters on PS3 or PS2 for that matter is Sony gives you a large variety and variance of other games and genres. So all the FPS don't bother me. I'll pick up my occasional 1 or 2 admist the other genres I like. So I don't think me, Slade or anyone else is really concerned about PS3's development getting all lopsided.

Third party exclusives are slowly going the way of the dodo bird. The smart thing to do is shore up your first party development. Sony is doing that. Nintendo has its first party titles that always outsell everything else on its system. Some pretty big first party devs jumped ship from MS last year, so who knows what their game plan is.

[Mochan]

MS's gameplan was to secure 3rd person exclusives. But it is apparent that these developers are still interested in releasing on the PS3. I don't think we've heard any new exclusives for the 360? Has MS gotten any more?

[ilnadmy]

If third-party exclusives really are a thing of the past, then do you think we'll stop seeing Metal Gear and Final Fantasy games exclusive to PlayStation? I mean when people think Final Fantasy they think PlayStation. Same with Metal Gear (although with MGS4 being the last in the series I don't think it really matters going forward). I'm sure MS would love to get concurrent FF releases, but with the system selling like turd in Japan, I'm not so sure the publishers would be willing to risk spending money on that sort of project.

[thelastword]

So MS blew its load by focusing on America and "american" games and now in 2008 Sony is going to win because of um "American" games, shooters like RFOM2, Killzone2, and Haze? RFOM1 and Killzone1 sold like dookie relative to XBOX shooters. I see no indication that things will change in terms of Playstation consumer taste. So Sony really seems to be making a tactical error by trying to duplicate MS success with the FPS genre. Even Milkdrinkers like Slade profess they don't like Sony focusing on games like this, I don't think he is alone. Myself, I like the direction personally, but given the taste of the Playstation consumer both here and in Japan, I don't think it is a good move. GEARS2 alone might best RFOM2, Killzone2, and Haze combined, plus isn't Haze eventually coming to the 360?

I think Sony will need to look in other areas for an advantage instead of trying to tackle the 360 head on in its best genre.This is not simply a case of Sony attacking MS head on, you speak like MS invented FPS. The genre existed before MS and every playstation has had a shooter at launch. If you had better powers of observation, you would realize that Sony is covering all and every genre internally. So it was never their plan to just depend on the likes of epic or third parties for their fps.

At the launch of the PS2, Sony depended on Epic with a port of UT, they depended on Free Radical with Timesplitters 1, they have now done it differently, they have seen the need for strong first party coverage in all genres including FPS and that's what they're delivering. So they got Insomniac to deliver an fps at the PS3's launch and at the same time they have the full support of Epic with (UT3) and Free Radical with (Haze and TS4).

True, the playstation now has more shooters, but the strengthening of it's first party house explains it. Nobody can deny that shooters are a core genre and that they sell a tonne, any gamer who denies the push for great shooters on the playstation is bonkers, as that was the only genre where the xbox outclassed the PS2 last gen. The PS3 is the most powerful console, and it has to deliver in that genre even against the FPS box, and of course seperate it's shooters from the rest. That's why Guerilla Games was bought and beefed up to put some serious fps tech out there, that's why crytek has been developing in a secret room on the PS3, as it stands, the console is already doing wonders for the genre with RFOM (great campaign and lagless multiplayer) and of late UT3 (mod support and m&k).


The point is, the other genres have not suffered because there are more fps on the playstation, Sony has bought a developer in Guerilla Games who have always worked on FPS. RFOM was not Insmoniac's first fps, and since RFOM, they have delivered a stellar platformer in Ratchet and Clank all in a space of a year, and now that their spu engine is really grinding they're now on their third title, ready to deliver in fall of 08. Everybody knows the lowdown on RFOM and everybody knows that Ratchet deposits on every single platformer out there technically and visually, and that it's gameplay is top notch. There is simply no lack of support and diversity on the PS3, even in year one, and it's really at year two that things are going to expand beyond the beyond.


In year one there was, Rfom, Mstorm, Folklore, Hsword, Lair, EOJ, NG-Sigma, The Show, Uncharted, UT3 (first mods on a console), GT5P in Japan, SSHD, TekknDRonline, Warhawk, EDS, CAC, FLOW and a slew of other games, the point is this is not a list of fps. These were the best games on the PS3 discounting the popular and high rated multi's like COD4, Assasins Creed (popular), Oblivion (highly rated) etc...


In 2008, there's so much more than that, because some of the biggest blockbusters in games are ready to roll, and popular lauch and launch window games will become established franchises in the vein of RFOM2 and Mstorm2. Hell, even Hsword 2 is in the works. Anybody who tries to underestimate game two of these franchises are bonkers, as the devs were just getting their feet wet with the PS3 and were able to create great and fun games (especially the first two) at launch/window. There's already a solid fanbase for RFOM and MSTORM, there's no doubt their sequel will be more ambitious and sell better.


The variety come 08 has something for everybody, hell, has many things for all gamers. MGS4 (stealth), WKS (rpg), RFOM2 (fps), Infamous (third person action), GT5 (simulation), FF13 (rpg), The Agency (mmorpg), Mstorm2 (arcade racer), GOW3 (action), FF13VS (action), WipeoutHD (futuristic), Socom Confrontation (Squad Combat), Valkyrie of the Battlefield (Strategy), ICO2 (action adventure), Killzone2 (fps), Tekken 6 (fighter), Hot Shots Golf 5 (sports).

These are just a snippet of first party games/games exclusive to the system, and we've hardly tackled PSN offerings. Of course you have the flood of third party games where many devs are giving the PS3 versions top priority, like in Fallout3 and Just Cause2. The multiplat scene is going to be very interesting the next few months, Burnout4 reviews already out there, telling it like it is. DMC4 is next, Valve is now asking what can they do to fix the OB on the PS3. The system just can't be denied, it will be a wrecking crew in the year of 08.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

You guys are retarded or something.

Let's look at the history of myths propagated on this board that have all met with epic fail!

1. Before the 360 was even launched the outlandish rumors spread on this board by slade and Gadfly among others of how the Xbox was going to be priced way out of range. We all see who ended over pricing there product.

2. Nintendo secrecy about there specs somehow made it more powerful than what the 360 was going to be. This was Zilla, Gadfly again

3.Sony would come out the gate and Dreamcast the 360. Damn near the whole board thought this.

4.The xbox had nothing it's first year. Despite the fact that it launched day 1 with several million sellers COD2, PGR3, PD0 all sold a million. And in less than 6 months there were several Goty canidates Oblivion, Cod 2, and a splattering of other well reviewed million selling games through the summer leading up to still the biggest new franchise launched this year Gears of War. Gaddy you again are the main spreader of this myth. You along with your buddy Folky at least Slade admits that there just aren't any games of his unique taste he was waiting for Genji 2!

5.That UE3 was built for UT3 and that UT3 was Epic's main game and would be there biggest title and bread winner. Well UT3 isn't scratching the itch on Gear's Azz. Mochan and ilnadmy spoke this nonsense.

6.The mythical month of March. thelastzealot got up on the pulpit preaching this idocy to the church of milk. Remember when all these great exlusives would be released and show the power of the PS3 and drive the consumers back to Sony? They all met with Epic fail every single big exlusive for the PS3 failed either sales wise or critically oftentimes both. Lair flopped sales and critically, Heavenly Sword, middle of the rode reviews flopped sales. Ratchet good reviews flopped in sales, Drake decent to good reviews and the big holiday title and couldn't move half a million units??? FAIL!!!!

7.The PS3 does realtime Global illumnation and raytracing. Courstey of the number one milkdrinker and Kutaragi san's personal nut rag thelastword.

8. The 360 was maxed out in 1 year by Gears of War. When the very next month there was a better looking game in Lost Planet and a boatload of them even using the same engine this year. More Gadflyism's

9. The Xbox platform would lose it's advantage with Western devs and they would go to the PS3 as well. Well valve handed off development ot there biggest game ever. And the several rpg's and PC ports that haven't seen light of day on the PS3 from Overlord to Call of Juarez. I don't mean to pick on you Gaddy but does this sound familar

10. The Cell. The whole Playstation nation

I could go on but 10 is good. And I could sit here and debate while 99.83% of the Milkdrinker predictions for 08 is bogus. But you guys don't debate in reality everything is either about potential what's coming up, or it's a debate started from a false premise so what's the point?? I'll just sit here counting the epic fails of you guys predictions. Playing the few good exlusives on my PS3 and the rare superior multiplats. Pretty much same as I did last gen.

[thelastword]

Too...many...shooters. I just about want to shoot myself with a BFG right in the ballsack, with all the shooters we're seeing on the big two. That's why I got a PS3, to get away from all the goddam shooters. But no, we got RFoM1and2, Haze, KZ2, UT3, Warhawk, Coded Arms, SOCOM, plus a buttload more third-party FPS. Although, there are a few 3ps games that I want to tear up, like Mercanaries 2, The Club(the demo on uk PSN is fun-fun), Bad Company, Fracture, BC, and I still want Stranglehold.

And Crackdown rocks.Didn't you like Warhawk? It can't be denied that FPS are a popular genre, but there are quite a few games coming down the pipeline for all types of gamers, exclusive and multiplat. I'm sure your money is already down for Burnout 4 next week and DMC4 the week after, and there's Echochrome, MLB the Show and Dark Sector in March. Then the heavier hitters are in plain view.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

TLW please stop lying. Honestly where do you get your list from. Ico2 this year since when. GOW3 has been announced for 08? Come on you know damn well FFXIII not going to make it this year home boy you are bugging the fug out.

[ilnadmy]

5.That UE3 was built for UT3 and that UT3 was Epic's main game and would be there biggest title and bread winner. Well UT3 isn't scratching the itch on Gear's Azz. Mochan and ilnadmy spoke this nonsense.

LOL seriously? I've never played an UT game in my life.

[Cuddly Knife]

Didn't you like Warhawk? It can't be denied that FPS are a popular genre, but there are quite a few games coming down the pipeline for all types of gamers, exclusive and multiplat. I'm sure your money is already down for Burnout 4 next week and DMC4 the week after, and there's Echochrome, MLB the Show and Dark Sector in March. Then the heavier hitters are in plain view.
Yeah, Warhawk is cool, but it's 3PS, though, so that adds a coupla points for me. A minus is how the single-player was canned, because my 'net is screwy and I can't get too much online gaming in before a random disconnect occurs. Warhawk had besically been collecting dust since I bought it. Anyone want to trade for something?

And yeah, there are a smattering of games coming out soon that aren't FPS, but it seem that lately all we hear about is great FPS this, Halo killer that, blah, blah, blah.

Is that caused by the mindset of the masses that have bought into the next-gen hype, or because devs see the cash cow and are milking her for all she's worth?

Really, what I'm craving is a true adventure game created for next-gen systems in the vein of Myst or even Indigo Prophecy.

[T.Tashi]

If third-party exclusives really are a thing of the past, then do you think we'll stop seeing Metal Gear and Final Fantasy games exclusive to PlayStation? I mean when people think Final Fantasy they think PlayStation. Same with Metal Gear (although with MGS4 being the last in the series I don't think it really matters going forward). I'm sure MS would love to get concurrent FF releases, but with the system selling like turd in Japan, I'm not so sure the publishers would be willing to risk spending money on that sort of project.

In terms of Japanese development that is a really good question. At the very least I think we'll see limited exclusitivity. But if the Xbox ever saw Dragon Warrior/Quest, I'd be shocked as hell. A series like that is a national institution in Japan. Going to MS's console would be nothing short of an insult. But, I'd never say never.

[Gadfly2317]

1. Before the 360 was even launched the outlandish rumors spread on this board by slade and Gadfly among others of how the Xbox was going to be priced way out of range. We all see who ended over pricing there product.

2. Nintendo secrecy about there specs somehow made it more powerful than what the 360 was going to be. This was Zilla, Gadfly again

Gimme a break. You can not find me saying EVER that the Wii was going to be more powerful than the 360.

And I still think the 360's initial price was beyond mainstream (and so, obviously is the Ps3's), and you gotta remember that this was Nintendo-Fan Gadfly talking, back when I was talking about how the Wii was going to stomp a lot more ass than you guys were thinking (though I NEVER thought it would stomp ass as much as it has.)

8. The 360 was maxed out in 1 year by Gears of War. When the very next month there was a better looking game in Lost Planet and a boatload of them even using the same engine this year. More Gadflyism's I don't know crap about tech, or game engines, and I have no idea if Gears maxed the 360. I felt like Gears was the first big eye candy game that made people stop and say "Now THAT is next-gen. . . I think you are confusing me with someone else.

9. The Xbox platform would lose it's advantage with Western devs and they would go to the PS3 as well. Well valve handed off development ot there biggest game ever. And the several rpg's and PC ports that haven't seen light of day on the PS3 from Overlord to Call of Juarez. I don't mean to pick on you Gaddy but does this sound familar Yeah, this sounds familiar. It was an uninformed assumption. . . that western devs are all about the graphics, and that's why they were on the Xbox more than the Ps2. . . so it seemed reasonable to think that if the Ps3 were more powerful than 360, it would see more western/PC support.

What I didn't really consider is that a big part of the equation is that the architecture of the hardware is more similar to the PC with Xbox and 360; the Cell seems to be a whole different type of thing to program for. Regardless, I still think we'll see more of these western developed graphics-whore shooters on the Ps3 than was on Ps2. I think its already happening.

[Gamer From '78]

You guys are retarded or something.

Let's look at the history of myths propagated on this board that have all met with epic fail!

1. Before the 360 was even launched the outlandish rumors spread on this board by slade and Gadfly among others of how the Xbox was going to be priced way out of range. We all see who ended over pricing there product.

2. Nintendo secrecy about there specs somehow made it more powerful than what the 360 was going to be. This was Zilla, Gadfly again

3.Sony would come out the gate and Dreamcast the 360. Damn near the whole board thought this.

4.The xbox had nothing it's first year. Despite the fact that it launched day 1 with several million sellers COD2, PGR3, PD0 all sold a million. And in less than 6 months there were several Goty canidates Oblivion, Cod 2, and a splattering of other well reviewed million selling games through the summer leading up to still the biggest new franchise launched this year Gears of War. Gaddy you again are the main spreader of this myth. You along with your buddy Folky at least Slade admits that there just aren't any games of his unique taste he was waiting for Genji 2!

5.That UE3 was built for UT3 and that UT3 was Epic's main game and would be there biggest title and bread winner. Well UT3 isn't scratching the itch on Gear's Azz. Mochan and ilnadmy spoke this nonsense.

6.The mythical month of March. thelastzealot got up on the pulpit preaching this idocy to the church of milk. Remember when all these great exlusives would be released and show the power of the PS3 and drive the consumers back to Sony? They all met with Epic fail every single big exlusive for the PS3 failed either sales wise or critically oftentimes both. Lair flopped sales and critically, Heavenly Sword, middle of the rode reviews flopped sales. Ratchet good reviews flopped in sales, Drake decent to good reviews and the big holiday title and couldn't move half a million units??? FAIL!!!!

7.The PS3 does realtime Global illumnation and raytracing. Courstey of the number one milkdrinker and Kutaragi san's personal nut rag thelastword.

8. The 360 was maxed out in 1 year by Gears of War. When the very next month there was a better looking game in Lost Planet and a boatload of them even using the same engine this year. More Gadflyism's

9. The Xbox platform would lose it's advantage with Western devs and they would go to the PS3 as well. Well valve handed off development ot there biggest game ever. And the several rpg's and PC ports that haven't seen light of day on the PS3 from Overlord to Call of Juarez. I don't mean to pick on you Gaddy but does this sound familar

10. The Cell. The whole Playstation nation

I could go on but 10 is good. And I could sit here and debate while 99.83% of the Milkdrinker predictions for 08 is bogus. But you guys don't debate in reality everything is either about potential what's coming up, or it's a debate started from a false premise so what's the point?? I'll just sit here counting the epic fails of you guys predictions. Playing the few good exlusives on my PS3 and the rare superior multiplats. Pretty much same as I did last gen.

I'm not going to count the PS3 out as it does have a solid lineup of games coming in 2008. But for me and what I want, the Xbox 360 is the leader. Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Gears of War 2, Too Human, Splinter Cell Conviction and Halo Wars are all up there on my "must-buy" list. PS3 games I will almost undoubtedly buy include Tekken 6, GT5 Prologue and Metal Gear Solid 4. To spread things out a bit, I will also be picking up the PS3 versions of Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5 and Soul Calibur 4.

Running the PS3 and Xbox 360 side-by-side on my set, I can see the potential for the PS3. Most of that "potential" is in games that don't quite stutter as much as some 360 games. Mass Effect has a stuttering framerate pretty often and texture pop-in and compared to say, Heavenly Sword which is equally stunning in the visuals department, I don't get that hinky framerate. Naughty Dog and Insomniac were the forerunners last gen on the PS2 who tapped into the SPU potential and got solid game engines running.

I was playing Uncharted and began making comparisons to Halo 3's first level. I'm not an expert on processing power, etc....but where some foliage moved in Halo 3 when you brushed by it, every damn plant in Uncharted moves and sways with the breeze and as you move by it. I found it quite impressive. Graphics this gen with multiplats will be pretty much on an even keel on the PS3 and 360. Of that, I have no doubt. But Epic pulled off an amazing feat and UT3 is every bit as visually arresting as Gears of War and moves quite a bit faster. I eagerly await seeing how this game performs on the 360.

All in all, I see a bright future for the PS3. Exclusives will determine the winner of this generation. Microsoft will have to continue to rely on 3rd parties it looks like since Bungie, Bizarre Creations and Bioware are all gone. That pretty much leaves Lionhead and that's about it.

Sony has invested heavily in it's own internal studios. Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Polyphony Digital, Sony Santa Monica, NInja Theory, Guerrilla Games....there's alot of backing there among others. I have to disagree with Daman when he says GT5 Prologue won't cut it. With over 40 rides and priced at $39, it WILL sell very well.

Sony is very close to hurting Microsoft right now. Though I don't consider movie-playback to be a big deal or "deal-breaker" with a GAME system, HD-DVD is on the way out. No doubt about it. Paramount is backing out of their exclusive agreement now, hot on the heels of Warner announcing they went Blu-Ray exclusive. The sales gap left from HD-DVD's exit from the market will be taken up by Blu-Ray adopters. The PS3 is a very attractively priced Blu-Ray player. Sony's Trojan Horse of slipping a movie and game player into the home may very well pay off.

Looking at the two systems from a "value" standpoint, I could never deny from day one that the PS3 was a good value for what you got, just that it was an overpriced games system and that is what people wanted it for. Now where are we starting off in 08:

PS3 is $400 for the 40-gig model. It has built-in Blu-Ray playback. It has a built-in wireless connection. It has HDMI. It has an upgradeable HDD that you can buy from any store for however cheap you can pick it up.

Xbox 360 is $350 for the 20-gig model. It has no next-gen built-in movie playback. It has no built-in wireless connection. It JUST NOW started coming with an HDMI port and reports indicate that many units in the holiday bundle are HDMI-less. The only way to upgrade the HDD is to buy the $180 unit that is proprietary.

Microsoft must be careful now. They need to up the ante. If Sony hits with all cylinders firing in 08, releases the heavy hitters that are in the pipeline and even shows a damn VIDEO of God of War 3, they will clean Microsoft's clock

And have any of you guys seen the story in Game Informer on Resistance 2? Damn...those graphics are SHAWHEET! :eek:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Gad I think it was you and Trebor. But you guys were hypothesizing that maybe Nintendo would pull a Rabbit out the Hat and be more powerful than the 360.

An Gamer I don't see Sony being close to anything. Every Month the lead widens supposedly they are ahead in Europe but the france numbers (look for in Gaf) shows the 360 still ahead there they have all ways been ahead in the UK. So where else in Europe is sony Winning Australia? Germany? Possible.

As for the U.S. Sony has lost mindshare and that's that. The old PS consumer who would just buy GTA and Madden those guys are picking up 360's now. Ancetdotle evidence last gen guys I worked with had Madden league It was cool but the league was ran on PS2's now it's 360's. 360 just has the mindshare here in NA and if the RROD didn't damage that none of those sony exlusives will. Despite the depth of Sony's catalouge last gen the biggest franchise were Madden and GTA followed by GT whose sales incidently dropped way off with part 4. So yeah here in nerdland and the interweb Sony looks poised for next year and even I'm excited about there upcoming line up. But they don't have that break out title they've lost mindshare and they aren't catching anyone here in the states.

Now the Wii it's just a phenomen but are they the winner if they sale the most hardware but not game??? The 360 had the top selling game since July. Even with Nintendo's apparent dominance with the DS and Wii they don't have the Software. Last gen it was a wrap the PS2 handed everyone there A$$ from all points HW and SW

[folken001]

"Our NPD Preview report stated that the prediction market expected the Xbox 360 to outsell the PS3 1.7 to 1 in a closing gap; actual results were 1.58 to 1, a significant jump from November 2007's 1.8 to 1 sales ratio. For January, the prediction market expects Xbox 360 sales to ring in at 358,000 units compared to PS3 sales at 229,000 units, a 1.56 to 1 sales ratio," explained analyst Jesse Divnich.



http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3-to-continue-to-close-the-gap-with-xbox-360-in-january-ndash-simexchange/19130/?biz=1

again, again and AGAIN, if you see Sony's consoles altogether, they aren't doing bad. But, of course, if you want to make a ghey argument, PS3 alone isn't enough. That is true. However, PS3 is picking up speed. A lot of people were predicting the worst but now, everyone is predicting that PS3 will make a rebound in 08. Unless, 360 is another 4 year system, I think we will see PS3 overtaking 360 down the road. Simply, PS3 caters to more variety of audiences. You might argue that 360 have more than just FPS, but, according to sales, 360 users typidcally don't really care anything but FPS.

[silversparrow]

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3-to-continue-to-close-the-gap-with-xbox-360-in-january-ndash-simexchange/19130/?biz=1

again, again and AGAIN, if you see Sony's consoles altogether, they aren't doing bad.

Another thing is that these NPD figures are only for North America. Factoring in Europe and Japan will probably show the PS3 outselling the 360 in total worldwide sales.

[slade]

An Gamer I don't see Sony being close to anything. Every Month the lead widens supposedly they are ahead in Europe but the france numbers (look for in Gaf) shows the 360 still ahead there they have all ways been ahead in the UK. So where else in Europe is sony Winning Australia? Germany? Possible.

Those French numbers on GAF were the yearly totals and the 360 lead was marginal at best considering it had been out 3 months prior to the PS3 launch. In all likelihood, the PS3 is going to outpace it in 2008.

In N. America, the battle is pretty much over. Sony priced themselves out of the market and there was a general lack of focus when it came to marketing the PS3. The software sales or lackthereof show this poignantly. Right now, the majority of owners really seem to be buying the system for its Blu Ray capabilities and nothing else. However, Sony will probably be content if they propel Blu Ray in lieu of losing the game market. This HD format war takes precedence while the game market can always be reconquered. Because if this gen has shown one thing, it's that it doesn't matter whether you have the games or whether you have a great legacy behind you. If you hit the right price point, the people will come.

[Mochan]

If third-party exclusives really are a thing of the past, then do you think we'll stop seeing Metal Gear and Final Fantasy games exclusive to PlayStation? I mean when people think Final Fantasy they think PlayStation. Same with Metal Gear (although with MGS4 being the last in the series I don't think it really matters going forward). I'm sure MS would love to get concurrent FF releases, but with the system selling like turd in Japan, I'm not so sure the publishers would be willing to risk spending money on that sort of project.

FF and MGS sell well in the US as well, so perhaps MS will want to get these releases for the NA market.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Only shooters, MS has no exclusives, Sony's got a big plan for their internal studios, i'm not really ready for another year of hype. The only thing that matters is what happens month after month, so we will see.

In the meantime i'll keep playing my shooters Naruto, M.E., and Scene-it, and wait for more shooters like B.O. Paradise and DMC4 on my shooter-box:rolleyes:

[Cuddly Knife]

LOL, TMG. But really, the only one b!tching about shooters is me(and possibly slade).

LOL @ shooter-box. Basically what both next-gen systems are becoming, with a splooge of other genres thrown in the mix.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Saying that there are too many FPS's on a console is like saying there's to much Pu$$y in a whore house.

[Gamer From '78]

Saying that there are too many FPS's on a console is like saying there's to much Pu$$y in a whore house.

ROFLMAO!!!

I personally don't understand the flak that FPS take. To me, it's the story that a game weaves and tells and not the viewpoint from which the tale plays out.

Hating on FPS is like hating on anime. I know people who won't watch anime if their life depended on it, simply because it is "animation" and not real actors. Anime like Jin-Roh and Grave of the Fireflies had a profound emotional impact on me when I saw them, moreso than many "real-life" films ever did.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Hating on FPS is like hating on anime.

I hate on both, overall. Not all FPS, but all anime.

[folken001]

that's a poor anology. Unless you are saying every game a console ever has are FPS. A better one would be too many she-males in a whore house.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Yeah that would work for you. You being a "fan of men" and all.

[Glockstar]

Exclusives will determine the winner of this generation. Microsoft will have to continue to rely on 3rd parties it looks like since Bungie, Bizarre Creations and Bioware are all gone. That pretty much leaves Lionhead and that's about it.

Lionhead and Rare. And that's all that MS has left now.

Your second sentence, the one about 3rd parties and Bungie, Bizarre, and Bioware... doesn't make any sense... ???


Sony has invested heavily in it's own internal studios. Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Polyphony Digital, Sony Santa Monica, NInja Theory, Guerrilla Games....there's alot of backing there among others.

Yeah, MS seems to be taking a different strategy. Even different from what they did last gen. Selling off studios, closing down studios, releasing studios and letting them go third party...

Microsoft Game Studios still publishes a lot of exclusives though. True exclusives. Unlike a Resident Evil 4, or a Grand Theft Auto III or San Andreas... or even a Dead Or Alive, or a Strangers Wrath... or a Splinter Cell Conviction... there is no threat of a MGS published game going multiplat. I've maintained that any "exclusive" that isn't published by Microsoft or Nintendo or Sony themselves has a chance of going off to another console.

And these are the games that MS has published thus far in the 360's life:
Perfect Dark Zero (Rare)
Project Gotham Racing 3
Kameo (Rare)
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Pinata (Rare)
Gears of War
Fuzion Frenzy 2
Crackdown
Shadowrun
Tenchu Z
Blue Dragon
Halo 3 (Bungie)
Forza 2
Viva Pinata: Party Animals
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action
Project Gotham Racing 4
Mass Effect
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom

A lot of GREAT stuff there. And a lot of variety. (I'm talking to you thelastword :rolleyes: )

The thing about that list of course is that MS doesn't "own" hardly any of the developers that made those games. They got a freelance, mercenary like association with developers anymore it seems. They've got developers making exclusives for them, but they're not the same 2 or 3 or 6 or 8 developers every time... they could be (almost) any developer. Look who they've had make/got making games for them as of late: Epic, Q Entertainment, Mistwalker, Bioware... Silicon Knights, Team Ninja, Tri-Ace, Ensemble, and Remedy.(!)

MGS games in the works:
Lost Odyssey
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human
Halo Wars
Gears of War 2
Fable 2
Infinite Undiscovery
Alan Wake

Omg, look at all the FPS's! Not.

[Mochan]

Only shooters, MS has no exclusives, Sony's got a big plan for their internal studios, i'm not really ready for another year of hype. The only thing that matters is what happens month after month, so we will see.

In the meantime i'll keep playing my shooters Naruto, M.E., and Scene-it, and wait for more shooters like B.O. Paradise and DMC4 on my shooter-box:rolleyes:

I still can't get over how TMG is pimping Naruto of all things.

[slade]

That's because this version of Naruto was made by Ubisoft.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I still can't get over how TMG is pimping Naruto of all things.

Don't knock it till you try it, I just started my own game today after watching for all this time, its a pretty damn good lil' fighting game. The great thing is unlike most fighters it has a really good single player campaign. Y'all not knowin'.

But it seems like 360 just can't win...people crack on games like Naruto then complain if the system doesn't have them.

[ilnadmy]

Yeah that would work for you. You being a "fan of men" and all.

Hahahah!

[folken001]

Hahahah!
It would work because it fits better. DTM is just being sour.

[ilnadmy]

Haha yeah, but your "I'm a fan of men" statement was sort of awkward. I mean I see where you're coming from and it's commendable, but your choice of words could have used some more thorough consideration. :D And DTM pounced on it with such surgical precision, you just have to hand it to him.

[Mochan]

Don't knock it till you try it, I just started my own game today after watching for all this time, its a pretty damn good lil' fighting game. The great thing is unlike most fighters it has a really good single player campaign. Y'all not knowin'.

But it seems like 360 just can't win...people crack on games like Naruto then complain if the system doesn't have them.

Hello, I've been playing Naruto since it first came out on the PS2.

Essentially what you are doing is pimping a PS2 game that now has an edition on the 360, and we all know what you think about PS2 games. *THAT* is why I'm so surprised that you are all over Naruto. Mayhap the PS2 isn't the crap console you think it is?

I will admit that I want this game on the 360 because it gives a more fleshed-out rendition of Konoha village than any other Naruto game to date (closes would be the Naruto adventure game on the PS2 that is similar in style but which has PS2-level graphics) but otherwise the fight mechanics sounded like they weren't even as good as the Naruto PS2 fighters.

[T.Tashi]

Hello, I've been playing Naruto since it first came out on the PS2.

Essentially what you are doing is pimping a PS2 game that now has an edition on the 360.

The irony is almost too much:D

[Mochan]

While I agree that this Naruto game might be the best of the lot due to its next-gen graphics and the large Konoha village and surrounding area to play in (can't say for sure though until I've played it to compare with the PS2 games) it still looks derivative of the PS2 games, perhaps a combination of the two main Naruto game types (most Naruto games are fighting games in the line of Smash Brothers but with more depth and flash, but there is also a Naruto game which is a free form adventure with action-based fighting ala Zelda) this game looks like it combines the free form adventure with the fighting, and that's a good thing, but it's still basically an off shoot of the PS2 fighters.

[Cuddly Knife]

Haha yeah, but your "I'm a fan of men" statement was sort of awkward. I mean I see where you're coming from and it's commendable, but your choice of words could have used some more thorough consideration. :D And DTM pounced on it with such surgical precision, you just have to hand it to him.
Yeah, that quote is sig material. It
s not everyday that a VGR member says something off-the-wall like that, gotta wear it out while we can.

:D

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

:D And DTM pounced on it with such surgical precision, you just have to hand it to him.

Whoa! Be careful you're talking to folken. With comments like that he'll become a "fan" :eek:

[Tappy_Tibbons]

There will never be a shortage of "just you wait *shaking fist angrilly in air*" PS3 fanboys, will there?

Everyone online seems to really put more emphasis on HD than really matters in ANY case. It's the same people trying to take advantage of people's ignorance of the whole DTV switch in Feb 09 while the DTV crossover will ONLY affect those that have OVER THE AIR tv with antennae. WTF, seriously.

Game-wise, I hate GT, MGS is overrated trash since the last good one (pt 1), Killzone2 looks fantastic but will probably suck (since when do people have faith in such unproven devs?), I have high hopes and may actually pick up a PS3 for 1 game though...Motorstorm 2. Now that EA has fully destroyed the Burnout series I will have to look elsewhere for decent arcade racing thrills.

[ilnadmy]

(since when do people have faith in such unproven devs?)

Are you serious? So you want me to keep looking forward to the next Capcom/Konami/EA/Ubisoft releases, and that's it? Where's the fun in that? Monolith was a (somewhat) unproven dev before they released No One Lives Forever. Level 5 was an "unproven dev" when they released Dark Cloud. Not only that, but I totally HATED Dark Cloud, and yet that didn't stop me from picking up Dark Cloud 2, which turned out to be one of my favorite RPGs ever.

Don't dismiss new developers. That's the sort of mentality that's going to turn gaming into a sequel-laden, innovation-stifling industry.

[T.Tashi]

Don't dismiss new developers. That's the sort of mentality that's going to turn gaming into a sequel-laden, innovation-stifling industry.

That's how MS likes it.

Dark Cloud 2 was an amazing game with deep gameplay. Better than Zelda IMHO.

[silversparrow]

since when do people have faith in such unproven devs?

Talented individuals move from dev to dev, and more often than not, from a major studio to a startup. That's what MS didn't realize when they blew $300 million on Rare. Little did they know that all the great employees behind their great titles in the 90s moved on.

[NEO-360]

Yeah that would work for you. You being a "fan of men" and all.

"Teabagger 001?" :eek:


Either way you slice it when you look at the NPD list you see games from the PS2, the Wii,and the 360 selling well. But yet no PS3 games yet again. When will the Milk drinkers accept the fact that games on the PS3 are not selling well? Yes, they can creme their jeans about how great the PS3 is doing in Europe and Japan all the want. Right here in North America everything else is selling well EXCEPT for the PS3.:D

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Dismissing new dev's isn't always a good idea. But honestly how many sh1tty devs become good? How many talented people leave good companies and go to Gurreilla Games?

Seriously these guys have never made a good game. There best game was a decent PSP game. But Sony is spending a bunch of money so this makes the next KZ2 good eh?

[Mochan]

Gotta agree here Guerilla's best game is on the PSP. But it is a very fun game in multiplayer I might add.

[Mochan]

That's how MS likes it.

Dark Cloud 2 was an amazing game with deep gameplay. Better than Zelda IMHO.

Dark Cloud 2 was an incredible game. It took so many elements from so many genres and made it all work in one fun adventure.

You had time travelling hijinks ala Chrono Trigger
Random Dungeons ala Diablo
Fast action ala Zelda
Photos and Inventions (headsup Bioshock this is how it's done)
GOLF! uh... like any Golf game
Sim City-esque town building

All with gorgeous cel-shaded graphics and fitting music, an extremely polished title. One of the PS2's best RPGs, in a field laden with quality RPGs.

[NEO-360]

Here this game was billed to be a "Zelda killer" but yet the main character of the game looked just like Link. Most of the cool RPG's are on the PS2. Too bad the PS3 only has one.(And that one was on the 360 first) :p

[ilnadmy]

First of all:

http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/psx2/dark_cloud2_front.JPG

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/fukcmegently/LinkZeldaGC_copiecopy.jpg

He looks just like Link? Seriously?

And second, what does that have to do with anything? Just because the main character looks a certain way, that makes the game crap? Do you even play games? Or do you let other people play them and you just watch? After the Splinter Cell lockpicking tutorial fiasco, I wouldn't be surprised honestly.

[T.Tashi]

Dark Cloud 2 was an incredible game. It took so many elements from so many genres and made it all work in one fun adventure.

You had time travelling hijinks ala Chrono Trigger
Random Dungeons ala Diablo
Fast action ala Zelda
Photos and Inventions (headsup Bioshock this is how it's done)
GOLF! uh... like any Golf game
Sim City-esque town building

All with gorgeous cel-shaded graphics and fitting music, an extremely polished title. One of the PS2's best RPGs, in a field laden with quality RPGs.

Don't forgot the fishing mini-game where you could either grill them or put them in your aquarium and customizing your weapon and your mech.

[ilnadmy]

Wow, you guys are making me seriously regret my forgetfulness. I was planning to bring Dark Cloud 2 back with me when I was back home for the vacations, but I forgot to. And now I reaaaaally want to play it again. Dammit!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

While I agree that this Naruto game might be the best of the lot due to its next-gen graphics and the large Konoha village and surrounding area to play in (can't say for sure though until I've played it to compare with the PS2 games) it still looks derivative of the PS2 games, perhaps a combination of the two main Naruto game types (most Naruto games are fighting games in the line of Smash Brothers but with more depth and flash, but there is also a Naruto game which is a free form adventure with action-based fighting ala Zelda) this game looks like it combines the free form adventure with the fighting, and that's a good thing, but it's still basically an off shoot of the PS2 fighters.

They also have Naruto on the Nintendo DS, that don't mean its the same as the 360 version. Those PS2 games are by Namco this game is by Ubisoft so they aren't related aside from the license. I doubt the fighting engine is even close to the same I'm pretty sure the maps and environment doesn't resemble the 360 version, there probably isn't seamless lagless online fighting either with all the major characters and their moves. Maybe the PS2 version is good, I don't know, i've never dissed Naruto on the PS2. But I doubt these games are as similar as you are making them out to be. That's like saying Baldur's Gate on the PS2 is the same as BG's on the PC or Jedi Knight is the same as Lego Star Wars, or Motogp XBOX is the same as Motogp PS2, you know that just because games might share the same license don't mean they are remotely similar. But if the PS2 version looks and plays anything like this, then kudos to the PS2, i'll have to take a look at some of the reviews and images.

[Gadfly2317]

"Teabagger 001?" :eek:


Either way you slice it when you look at the NPD list you see games from the PS2, the Wii,and the 360 selling well. But yet no PS3 games yet again. When will the Milk drinkers accept the fact that games on the PS3 are not selling well? Yes, they can creme their jeans about how great the PS3 is doing in Europe and Japan all the want. Right here in North America everything else is selling well EXCEPT for the PS3.:D

While I would like to see the Ps3 do better sales-wise, its not flopping.

The most important thing to me is whether a system is delivering games I want. I was proud Gamecube fan because the game was putting out a lot of a games I really liked. It's first year BLOWS THE WII away. . . I don't care if the Wii is selling a billion piecs of hardware, it has nothing to touch the first year originality or polish of Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing.

Ps3 may not be the #1 selling console, but Uncharted, Little Big Planet, GT5, SSHD, Everyday Shooter, Motorstorm, and a lot more. . . the system has the games I most want, not the Wii or 360.

There are games on my Wii that I've really liked (Super Mario Galaxy was my GOTY), and there are games on 360 I'd buy if I had one, but the 360's a failure prone piece of crap, and I cannot comprehend knowingly buying a failure prone piece of crap. No one here has ever made a case for why any rational person would do that.

If gamers were smart, didn't buy crap, and the 360 tanked, Devs would not be bringing their software to the 360. You don't miss out on anything by waiting a little. Almost everything gets ported to Ps3 or PC eventually.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

It's funny you make this post but don't understand why people choose the 360.

[NEO-360]

First of all:

http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/psx2/dark_cloud2_front.JPG

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/fukcmegently/LinkZeldaGC_copiecopy.jpg

He looks just like Link? Seriously?

And second, what does that have to do with anything? Just because the main character looks a certain way, that makes the game crap? Do you even play games? Or do you let other people play them and you just watch? After the Splinter Cell lockpicking tutorial fiasco, I wouldn't be surprised honestly.

I was talking about the very first Dark Cloud cover not the 2nd one thank you very much. So why dont you blow the 1st ones cover and then get back to me. Plus, nice pop shot on the very old lockpicking issue I had some hundred years ago. Besides what PS3 games have you actually"bought" lately padawan?:idea: