A lot riding on the GC 2004

[Angel, Forsaken]

Simply because the majority of the AAA titles will be third party games. I believe a lot is at stake for Nintendo and it's GC successor. Let's take a look.

Final Fantasy CC will be the barometer for Square's support in the furture. Though I think this game is doomed because of it's <B>HORRIBLE</B> GC,GBA connectivity issuie ( forcing you to have GBA's for multi-player), if it does sell well GC'ers might be getting better support next round of consoles and might be able to snag a Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy exclusive. But due to the connectivity, I wont be supporting it.

Resident Evil 4 is going to be huge in my opinion... This game has abandoned the old, flawed forumlas of the past and injects new life into one of my favorite series. The Remake and 0 have sold ok, but this game should be the biggest hit for the GC. Plus, Capcom has been Nintendo's biggest ally... If RE 4 flops, don't expect cool titles like VJ next round.

Metal Gear Solid: TS will also be a barometer for furutre Konami suport. If this game does well, expect a port of Metal Gear Solid 3 and possible better support from Konami as a whole next round of consoles.

There is much more, like ToS and the Monilith (sp?) rpg's due out next year. Microsoft will be releasing its big guns next year, so I would expect the American lead it has to increase even further. So I think the most important aspect of Nintendo's future wont be sells of the GC, but how these third party games sell. At least concerning third party support for the N5... Or whatever there going to call it.

[Allisen1987]

Mario Kart will bring them out of the hole this Christmas! I bought 2 more GameCubes so I can hook it up to 3 TV's and have Mario Kart races on 3 different TV's with 6 people! It's the coolest multiplayer game I know it will be great. I'm not big on Resident Evil, but I think you're right when you say Resident Evil 4 will be big! And the price can't be beat!

[Tappy_Tibbons]

2004=ALL eggs out in the basket for GC. Everything I wanted for GC is out now and there are NO games on the horizon that I want except maybe Geist but what the hell would make me want to play that FPS splitscreen when I can play Xbox LIVE's multitude of badass FPS.

[no.1gamer]

<div class=\"smallfont\">[QUOTE=Angel, Forsaken]

Resident Evil 4 is going to be huge in my opinion... This game has abandoned the old, flawed forumlas of the past and injects new life into one of my favorite series. The Remake and 0 have sold ok, but this game should be the biggest hit for the GC. Plus, Capcom has been Nintendo's biggest ally... If RE 4 flops, don't expect cool titles like VJ next round.

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I completely agree with you on this one. The movie generated some excitement. And I think now, many GCN owners recognize the Resident Evil franchise (in the same way they recognize Mario, Sonic and Link). Many Nintendo loyalists (like myself) were unfamiliar with the RE games during the early days of this console war. I bought REmake after reading some very favorable reviews about a month or so after its release. I then bought RE0 shortly after its release and can't wait for the next installment. I'm humbly expecting that this series doesn't get butchered with a sub-par game, like so many games on other systems (and admittedly a few on Nintendo consoles).

"Capcom has been Nintendo's biggest ally…"

You've got that right! Three of my favorite games are developed by Capcom!

Resident Evil
Resident Evil 0
Viewtiful Joe

All 3 of games rank in my top 10 favorite GCN games!

[mass]

Mario Kart will bring them out of the hole this Christmas! I bought 2 more GameCubes so I can hook it up to 3 TV's and have Mario Kart races on 3 different TV's with 6 people! It's the coolest multiplayer game I know it will be great. I'm not big on Resident Evil, but I think you're right when you say Resident Evil 4 will be big! And the price can't be beat!

Yeah, xbox live is too expensive, but buying two extra gamecubes, three copies of Mario Kart DD, three broadband adapters along with the necessary cabling, that's a nintendo owner's idea of cost effeciency. All that so you can ride in back hurling banana peels at other riders.
:o

[trebor]

Yeah, xbox live is too expensive, but buying two extra gamecubes, three copies of Mario Kart DD, three broadband adapters along with the necessary cabling, that's a nintendo owner's idea of cost effeciency. All that so you can ride in back hurling banana peels at other riders.
:o

Try reading the news before you start flapping your pie-hole...

http://cube.ign.com/articles/456/456979p1.html

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

[trebor]

Simply because the majority of the AAA titles will be third party games. I believe a lot is at stake for Nintendo and it's GC successor. Let's take a look.

Final Fantasy CC will be the barometer for Square's support in the furture. Though I think this game is doomed because of it's &lt;B&gt;HORRIBLE&lt;/B&gt; GC,GBA connectivity issuie ( forcing you to have GBA's for multi-player), if it does sell well GC'ers might be getting better support next round of consoles and might be able to snag a Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy exclusive. But due to the connectivity, I wont be supporting it.

Resident Evil 4 is going to be huge in my opinion... This game has abandoned the old, flawed forumlas of the past and injects new life into one of my favorite series. The Remake and 0 have sold ok, but this game should be the biggest hit for the GC. Plus, Capcom has been Nintendo's biggest ally... If RE 4 flops, don't expect cool titles like VJ next round.

Metal Gear Solid: TS will also be a barometer for furutre Konami suport. If this game does well, expect a port of Metal Gear Solid 3 and possible better support from Konami as a whole next round of consoles.

There is much more, like ToS and the Monilith (sp?) rpg's due out next year. Microsoft will be releasing its big guns next year, so I would expect the American lead it has to increase even further. So I think the most important aspect of Nintendo's future wont be sells of the GC, but how these third party games sell. At least concerning third party support for the N5... Or whatever there going to call it.

Actually, 2004 is shaping up to be a good year for the Cube.

Aside from the titles you have already mentioned, there is Mario Tennis, the Metroid Prime Sequel, Killer 7, Pikmin 2, WarioWare (bet you anything it will be released in NA), Zelda Four Swords, the Wind Waker sequel, Super Monkey Ball 3 and Geist - and that's just off the top of my head.

A lot of people think the Metroid Prime sequel will be held back for the release of the next console, but I bet you dollars to donuts that it will have a 2004 Holiday release.

Whereas the Wind Waker sequel I do see being held back for the next system.

[Static_Fred]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Mario Kart will bring them out of the hole this Christmas! I bought 2 more GameCubes so I can hook it up to 3 TV's and have Mario Kart races on 3 different TV's with 6 people! It's the coolest multiplayer game I know it will be great. I'm not big on Resident Evil, but I think you're right when you say Resident Evil 4 will be big! And the price can't be beat!</div>

That is just...... insane!
How could you ever justify spending that much money for one game?
If Nintendo would wake up and establish an online compatibility, this wouldn't be a problem

Off the topic, but Nintendo's reasoning for not going online is because "the majority of the gamers are not using the online component at this time for consoles," and this may be true. BUT i don't think that it's about how many people are using it, but it's all about the option!!! If i was looking to buy an Xbox or PS2 at least i could think "hmm, i'm not going to use Xbox Live yet, but I COULD if i feel like it later." Now, who knows when Nintendo is going to have any online capablitites running, for all i know, if they wait anylonger the GC is going to be outdated.

[Angel, Forsaken]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Actually, 2004 is shaping up to be a good year for the Cube.

Aside from the titles you have already mentioned, there is Mario Tennis, the Metroid Prime Sequel, Killer 7, Pikmin 2, WarioWare (bet you anything it will be released in NA), Zelda Four Swords, the Wind Waker sequel, Super Monkey Ball 3 and Geist - and that's just off the top of my head.

A lot of people think the Metroid Prime sequel will be held back for the release of the next console, but I bet you dollars to donuts that it will have a 2004 Holiday release.

Whereas the Wind Waker sequel I do see being held back for the next system.</div> I forgot about Killer 7 for some reason... *slaps self*

But I think you might've misunderstood me man... I was just thinking that the third party games I mentioned should be Nintendo's main focus because they have a lot riding on them. I didn't intend to impl that was all the Cube was getting.

[mass]

Try reading the news before you start flapping your pie-hole...

http://cube.ign.com/articles/456/456979p1.html

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Hey, dum-dum try reading your own news release. It's not out yet and could very well never make it to market. Wake me when and if it actually becomes available for retail. :o

[Gadfly2317]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Simply because the majority of the AAA titles will be third party games. I believe a lot is at stake for Nintendo and it's GC successor. Let's take a look.

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You mentioned some really big third party titles like Final Fantasy: CC, Resident Evil 4, and Metal Gear Solid, and there's also stuff like Killer 7, Geist, Tales of Symphonia, and Unity (which won't be huge, but might be AAA with Molyneux developing it). So yeah, there's some big third party stuff.

But I don't think we can safely say that the 2004 AAA titles will not feature a heavy nintendo first party presence. Nintendo tends to play its cards close, and we may see several things unveiled at E3 that will come out in 2004. Nintendo knows it had a lousy showing at this year's E3, and I imagine this time around they will have several surprises in store.

[trebor]

Hey, dum-dum try reading your own news release. It's not out yet and could very well never make it to market. Wake me when and if it actually becomes available for retail. :o

Hey, dufus, Mario Kart isn't out yet either, so it's a moot point - don't count your children before they hatch.

Maybe you should consider waking up though, your arguments have been a little weak lately.

[mass]

Hey, dufus, Mario Kart isn't out yet either, so it's a moot point - don't count your children before they hatch.

Maybe you should consider waking up though, your arguments have been a little weak lately.

As opposed to your arguments which are non-existent. This warp-pipe or whatever it is, sounds a lot like xbox connect. Pardon me if I yawn.

[trebor]

As opposed to your arguments which are non-existent. This warp-pipe or whatever it is, sounds a lot like xbox connect. Pardon me if I yawn.

Wow. You connected a few strings of thought and formed a conclusion. Congrats.

Yes, this warp-pipe is very much like xbox connect. Which isn't exciting when you consider Xbox Live. But compared to a big fat nothing (Nintendo's online service), warp-pipe is very cool in comparison.

*off-topic*

Did you ever get your G5? What do you think of it? Did it come with Panther installed, or do you have to purchase that now too?

I'm trying to decide if I should just upgrade my old G4 or if I should buy a new G5. Or if I should just forget about Apple entirely and buy a Dell instead.

[Spastic Colon Powell]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Simply because the majority of the AAA titles will be third party games. I believe a lot is at stake for Nintendo and it's GC successor. Let's take a look.

Final Fantasy CC will be the barometer for Square's support in the furture. Though I think this game is doomed because of it's <B>HORRIBLE</B> GC,GBA connectivity issuie ( forcing you to have GBA's for multi-player), if it does sell well GC'ers might be getting better support next round of consoles and might be able to snag a Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy exclusive. But due to the connectivity, I wont be supporting it.

Resident Evil 4 is going to be huge in my opinion... This game has abandoned the old, flawed forumlas of the past and injects new life into one of my favorite series. The Remake and 0 have sold ok, but this game should be the biggest hit for the GC. Plus, Capcom has been Nintendo's biggest ally... If RE 4 flops, don't expect cool titles like VJ next round.

Metal Gear Solid: TS will also be a barometer for furutre Konami suport. If this game does well, expect a port of Metal Gear Solid 3 and possible better support from Konami as a whole next round of consoles.

There is much more, like ToS and the Monilith (sp?) rpg's due out next year. Microsoft will be releasing its big guns next year, so I would expect the American lead it has to increase even further. So I think the most important aspect of Nintendo's future wont be sells of the GC, but how these third party games sell. At least concerning third party support for the N5... Or whatever there going to call it.</div>

Mainly because it's nothing more than a flipped out version of Gauntlet more or less, the exception being carrying around a bucket of water and having to stay within a certain radius of it in multiplayer. Just another attempt to cash in on the FF name. It will still probably sell millions, over half of which will be likely to return it the next day...

Capcom...sorry, I still don't see it. I think they've been going in a downward spiral for the last two years. People can spout off Viewtiful Joe this and that all they want, but the game just really isn't for me. Creative and unique? Most definitely, just not my type of game. But the world needs a new Resident Evil, so they'll stick around for awhile...

As for Konami and their precious MGS series...sure it will sell, but will it be anything new? Probably not. Another facelift game. MGS 2 sold very well, yet the game itself was really nothing special. But games don't have to actually have quality to sell well, so Konami is a good "partner" to have.

I think that the GC should be looking to continue on it's main strength which are first party games. Those are the only real reason for me to own a GC, as most of the 3rd party games out and coming soon are fairly sub-par in my opinion....

Also, the GC needs an RPG or two....CC is not really an RPG, more of a Gauntlet-Style hack n' slash. They have yet to really get an RPG for the system that stands out. Or an RPG at all for that matter really...

[slade]

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Capcom...sorry, I still don't see it. I think they've been going in a downward spiral for the last two years. People can spout off Viewtiful Joe this and that all they want, but the game just really isn't for me. Creative and unique? Most definitely, just not my type of game. But the world needs a new Resident Evil, so they'll stick around for awhile...</div>

To me it's more like a profits chart. You've got your highs and you've got your lows.

If Capcom does rework Resident Evil 4 in all the ways they are promising, it's most likely that within a years time, most other Survival Horror series will be following their lead once again.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Actually, 2004 is shaping up to be a good year for the Cube.

Aside from the titles you have already mentioned, there is Mario Tennis, the Metroid Prime Sequel, Killer 7, Pikmin 2, WarioWare (bet you anything it will be released in NA), Zelda Four Swords, the Wind Waker sequel, Super Monkey Ball 3 and Geist - and that's just off the top of my head.

A lot of people think the Metroid Prime sequel will be held back for the release of the next console, but I bet you dollars to donuts that it will have a 2004 Holiday release.

Whereas the Wind Waker sequel I do see being held back for the next system.</div>

Killer 7 and Resident Evil 4 is the only two I see that'll make some noise.That so called MGS game doesnt look nowhere has important as MGS3 does coming for the PS2.Other than that with games like HL2,DOOM III,Halo 2,Fable,Ninja Gaiden,DOA:Online,Tenchu:Online,Sudeki;etc.coming out for the Xbox I got three words for the GC's 2004 line up: Is That it?

[sjsharky]

My 2 cents.

Nintendo is missing the boat, IMO. By the time the next generation of consoles come out, both Sony and MS, will probably have integrated some sort of online multimedia capablilities into their machines, while Nintendo will still "just play games". Without having an online strategy, Nintendo is only digging themselves into a bigger and bigger hole. Its not about how many gamers are online anymore, its about the future capabilities of being online and what your company can/will offer online. As long as Nintendo buries their collective heads in the sand and continue to support a "gaming only" machine, their market share will continue to dwindle.

[mass]

My 2 cents.

Nintendo is missing the boat, IMO. By the time the next generation of consoles come out, both Sony and MS, will probably have integrated some sort of online multimedia capablilities into their machines, while Nintendo will still &quot;just play games&quot;. Without having an online strategy, Nintendo is only digging themselves into a bigger and bigger hole. Its not about how many gamers are online anymore, its about the future capabilities of being online and what your company can/will offer online. As long as Nintendo buries their collective heads in the sand and continue to support a &quot;gaming only&quot; machine, their market share will continue to dwindle.

Nintendo is one of two things, greedy and/or stupid. You have to invest in online now for future returns later. Nintendo doesn't like that. They want to pimp this incredibly lame gc connectivity angle to kids because that means potentially increased sales of gc and gba units and cables etc. How many people are buying EA sports game on the gc because they boast connectivity features on the gba. You're hearing basically zero on this and this was supposed to be a big thing when EA and Nintendo announced their big 20 game deal.

It's just like that BS e-reader crap nintendo is peddling for Animal Crossing. Imagine AC with downloadable content via xbox live. Well, it'd all be free and we can't have that. So, let's introduce a grossly overpriced peripheral with grossly overpriced e-reader cards to bilk kids and their parents out of money. Like I said, greedy and stupid.

[trebor]

Nintendo is one of two things, greedy and/or stupid. You have to invest in online now for future returns later. Nintendo doesn't like that. They want to pimp this incredibly lame gc connectivity angle to kids because that means potentially increased sales of gc and gba units and cables etc. How many people are buying EA sports game on the gc because they boast connectivity features on the gba. You're hearing basically zero on this and this was supposed to be a big thing when EA and Nintendo announced their big 20 game deal.

It's just like that BS e-reader crap nintendo is peddling for Animal Crossing. Imagine AC with downloadable content via xbox live. Well, it'd all be free and we can't have that. So, let's introduce a grossly overpriced peripheral with grossly overpriced e-reader cards to bilk kids and their parents out of money. Like I said, greedy and stupid.

Pffft. M$ and Sony are generous?

Let's see, what is one of your biggest whiney complaints about the Gamecube? Memory cards? Well, gee, do you not require a memory card for the PS2 as well? How about Sony only putting two controller ports to their PS2 - that is a good value for consumers? Forcing consumers to buy a multi-tap peripheral to play games with 4 person multiplayer in the inherant game design.

What about M$? Requiring a $30 remote control to use the "built in" DVD player is a great value for gamers - your right. Or how about charging full price for their flagship LAUNCH title, that's over two years old now, Halo? Is that the great value for gamers?

Well, do you not have to pay for the online services for PS2 and Xbox? Is that not, by definition, paying for the "free" updates you get through Xbox Live?

It's one thing to bash Nintendo because you don't like what they have been doing software-wise, but it's totally ignorant to harp on a business trying to make money. You think M$ and Sony are in the videogame industry out of the goodness of their hearts?

HA

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Pffft. M$ and Sony are generous?

Let's see, what is one of your biggest whiney complaints about the Gamecube? Memory cards? Well, gee, do you not require a memory card for the PS2 as well? How about Sony only putting two controller ports to their PS2 - that is a good value for consumers? Forcing consumers to buy a multi-tap peripheral to play games with 4 person multiplayer in the inherant game design.

What about M$? Requiring a $30 remote control to use the "built in" DVD player is a great value for gamers - your right. Or how about charging full price for their flagship LAUNCH title, that's over two years old now, Halo? Is that the great value for gamers?

Well, do you not have to pay for the online services for PS2 and Xbox? Is that not, by definition, paying for the "free" updates you get through Xbox Live?

It's one thing to bash Nintendo because you don't like what they have been doing software-wise, but it's totally ignorant to harp on a business trying to make money. You think M$ and Sony are in the videogame industry out of the goodness of their hearts?

HA</div>

I mean Nintendo signs a deal with AOL and has no plans in the near future to make any online games for the GC.Doesnt that like defeat the purpose of even giving the GC online capabilities in the first place to you? You being a GC owner and all you should see it that way Trebor.

Now with games like SSBM,Mario Kart,and F-Zero these are the types of games that truly would've excelled even further if they were made available to be played online.The ultimate party games are played online.You know that.Heres the bottom line:Nintendo has to pull out all the stops during the next console war.And that will have to include online gaming.This could be Nintendo's last stand.Nintendo has to fight fire with fire against Sony and MS next time around.They have to.

I agree that Nintendo is more dedicated to the videogame industry than anyone.But they are going to have to raise the level of their game if they dont want to be on the outside looking in next time.

If Nintendo doesnt decide to go online full throttle

[trebor]

I mean Nintendo signs a deal with AOL and has no plans in the near future to make any online games for the GC.Doesnt that like defeat the purpose of even giving the GC online capabilities in the first place to you? You being a GC owner and all you should see it that way Trebor.

Well, you need to keep a few things in mind - 1. Nintendo has always been a highly secretive company, so who really knows what their plans are other than them? 2. Nintendo is a slow learner. I'm guessing this AOL business will pertain to the next console, since the whole online thing is a lost cause for the Gamecube.


Now with games like SSBM,Mario Kart,and F-Zero these are the types of games that truly would've excelled even further if they were made available to be played online.The ultimate party games are played online.You know that.Heres the bottom line:Nintendo has to pull out all the stops during the next console war.And that will have to include online gaming.This could be Nintendo's last stand.Nintendo has to fight fire with fire against Sony and MS next time around.They have to.

I agree that Nintendo is more dedicated to the videogame industry than anyone.But they are going to have to raise the level of their game if they dont want to be on the outside looking in next time.

If Nintendo doesnt decide to go online full throttle

I totally agree. Like I said, Nintendo is a slow learner. They missed the CD ball with the N64 and they missed the online ball with the Gamecube. Does that mean they suck? No.

[iVirtual]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Mario Kart will bring them out of the hole this Christmas! I bought 2 more GameCubes so I can hook it up to 3 TV's and have Mario Kart races on 3 different TV's with 6 people! It's the coolest multiplayer game I know it will be great. I'm not big on Resident Evil, but I think you're right when you say Resident Evil 4 will be big! And the price can't be beat!</div>


Wish you could play online???