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Gamer From '78
01-11-2008, 11:47 AM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200801/CUL20080111a.html

"Sex in Video Game Makes Waves Through Industry
By Evan Moore
CNSNews.com Correspondent
January 11, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - A new, best-selling video game, Mass Effect, made for the Microsoft Xbox 360 console, allows the characters to engage in explicitly graphic sexual intercourse. Some game experts and pro-family analysts say Mass Effect is marketed to young kids and presents a moral danger to them and that the companies making and marketing the game should be prosecuted.

The game is "clearly marketed to minors," Cathy Ruse, a lawyer and senior fellow for legal studies at the Family Research Council, told Cybercast News Service.

"There are cultural implications for feeding porn to kids in this way," and "when you do this, you're teaching them a distorted lesson about human sexuality and human dignity. These are lessons that they will take with them into adulthood and ultimately society," Ruse said.

Mass Effect is made by BioWare Corp., in Alberta, Canada. The game has a strong, plot-driven storyline reminiscent of the Star Wars films or television shows like Babylon 5.

As part of that story, the playable character can become romantically involved with a woman, if playing as the default male character; a man, if playing as a woman; and an alien that looks and talks like a woman, for any play-through. This storyline culminates in a cutscene in which the characters copulate in full digital nudity.

The game is rated "M" for mature, as are many video games, and was banned in Singapore last year, though the decision was later reversed. Mass Effect has sold over 1.6 million copies since its release in November 2007. The game scored "Best RPG" in the 2007 Spike TV Video Game Awards, and it has been nominated for Game of the Year.

Critics blast

Bob Waliszewki, media specialist with Focus on the Family, told Cybercast News Service, "We never shy away from sexuality in the media. It's just a question of how is that sexuality portrayed. One can use the media to portray some very healthy forms of sexuality. And when done wisely with taste and age-appropriateness, it can be done well."

"Unfortunately," he said, "Mass Effect doesn't do that and even goes so far as to allow homosexuality to be on par with heterosexuality and heterosexuality outside of its proper context of marriage."

Ruse said, "I don't know if people are really aware about what's in this game, but [the people who made it] should lose a lot of money, and they should lose consumer confidence, because this is a stupid move."

She noted that "when you expose children, whose brains and personalities are still developing, to degrading and harmful material, you've got to believe that's going to have an effect on the way that they view themselves, others, and the world."

"People try to raise a straw-man argument and say that people from my perspective are saying that everyone who views something is going to go out and become a serial sex killer. Nobody's saying that," Ruse said.

"But, it is profoundly naive to suggest that feeding children graphic sexual material is going to have no effect on their psyche. That's just stupid to think that," she added.

Waliszewki noted that numerous reputable studies from firms like the RAND corporation have emerged over the past four years that show causal links between exposure to sexual images, profanity, smoking, and violence to a higher degree of sexual activity, greater use of profanity, higher smoking rates, as well as higher aggressive tendencies and violent action.

"This is about money," Ruse said. "This isn't about a First Amendment debate. This is about [BioWare] making as much money as it can. It's putting elements in its games which they think will help them sell more games. They don't care about what they're doing to kids."

She concluded, "This is unethical, and they have a duty to be good corporate citizens. There's no First Amendment right to exploit children ... They're making money at the expense of children in America, and they ought to be vilified for that."

The state of the industry

Calls made to the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) for comment were not answered by press time. However, a report from the ESA says that the game player population is older and diverse than conventional wisdom would assume.

According to the ESA, the average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years. Also, 38 percent of all game players are women. Women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (31 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (20 percent).

The voice of the video game industry also says that parents are strongly involved when their children buy or rent games. Eighty-six percent of game players under the age of 18 reported that they get their parents' permission when renting or buying games, and 91 percent say their parents are present when they buy games.

Furthermore, the ESA reports that the field of choices available to consumers is very family-friendly. Eighty-five percent of all games sold in 2006 were rated "E" for Everyone, "T" for Teen, or "E10+" for Everyone 10+ by the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB).

Cybercast News Service also sought comment from BioWare Corp but did not receive a reply.

Preventing exposure to children

"When parental involvement is at a high level," Waliszewki said, the warning labels provided by the ESRB could deter children from being exposed to inappropriate material. But he warned that "in many cases, where parents are less involved and oblivious to the world of entertainment these days, an 'M' rating is almost a badge of endorsement."

"Parents really just need to be involved in [their children's] entire entertainment world," he said. "There's just too much gunk out there for parents to be 'hands-off.' They have to be involved. They have to know ... what their kids are into in today's entertainment."

Ruse noted that "most states have what's called 'Harmful to Minors' laws on the books that say that selling sexual material that a jury would deem 'patently offensive to minors, which lacks literary, artistic, political or scientific value.' ... might be prosecutable."

However, she also noted that these laws are "very likely not enforced." Rather than new laws, "we need state and local prosecutors with spines and backbones to prosecute some of these companies that are violating the law" in order to prevent children from being exposed to indecent material, she said."

Gamer From '78
01-11-2008, 11:59 AM
To me, this is nothing more than Christian zealots who have a hangup about sex and more specifically-homosexuality talking out of their ass. Said scene in the game is far from "pornographic" and is PG at best. Have these people even WATCHED the scene in question?

I have really grown to despise this country, it's morality and the influence corny religion has over every facet of our daily lives. They twist the truth to suit their agenda. The game is not marketed to children, it's marketed to the 17+ age group and is clearly labeled as such with an "M" rating for mature.

For some reason, I can see these people singing the "Blame Canada!" song from the South Park movie since they single them out as a Canadian developer.

Mochan
01-11-2008, 12:22 PM
Well this is stupid as usual, the game is rated M so what were they expecting?

Problem is people make sex too taboo that it makes children overreact to it. If nobody attached any malice to sex, children wouldn't be so scandalized over it.

I haven't seen the game and haven't seen this "full graphical nudity" scene but whatever it is I doubt it's anything to make a fuss over.

Dancer O_o
01-11-2008, 12:25 PM
Interesting, this chick Ruse has obviously never played the game or seen the sequences that she is talking about. The ONE AND ONLY romantic scene there is in the game is both tasteful and shows good judgement about not showing much, a bare ass for all of 2 seconds climbing into bed?...come on! I can flip open a magazine and find more bare bottomed babies asses and more sexually driven ideas and photos than ME does. I'd let a 7 year old play it and not think twice frankly. I hate it when a politician or Got God types go around spewing their tripe and drivel about the game industry when in truth they know nothing of what they speak...actually, they probably know just enough to be dangerous.

Most 7 to 12 year old boys would skip the lovey dovey crap anyway, I know when I was a tot the only thing I cared about was beebee guns, legos and Atari 2600 (and then ColecoVision). And 7 to 12 year old girls most likely wouldn't play ME or have even heard of it.

Lets baby proof the whole freak'n planet!

Jyoharl
01-12-2008, 06:05 PM
Interesting, this chick Ruse has obviously never played the game or seen the sequences that she is talking about. The ONE AND ONLY romantic scene there is in the game is both tasteful and shows good judgement about not showing much, a bare ass for all of 2 seconds climbing into bed?...come on! I can flip open a magazine and find more bare bottomed babies asses and more sexually driven ideas and photos than ME does. I'd let a 7 year old play it and not think twice frankly. I hate it when a politician or Got God types go around spewing their tripe and drivel about the game industry when in truth they know nothing of what they speak...actually, they probably know just enough to be dangerous.

Most 7 to 12 year old boys would skip the lovey dovey crap anyway, I know when I was a tot the only thing I cared about was beebee guns, legos and Atari 2600 (and then ColecoVision). And 7 to 12 year old girls most likely wouldn't play ME or have even heard of it.

Lets baby proof the whole freak'n planet!

Got God....I like the sound of that. Like Got Milk....

.....Got God?

I love it! I must use this! Thank you!

As for this concern in the industry, it looks like the lawyer money well is drying up, and SOMEONE has to bring in more. So....we'll be seeing more of this garbage soon.

Oh snap, here comes Jack Thompson!

ThaMaskedGamer
01-13-2008, 07:28 AM
By those standards you can't let your kids watch the national news, let alone TV. Do these people even have TVs. CNN and CBS evening news can't get enough of Brittany Spears and who ever the latest tramp of the day happens to be.

The real issue here is I don't begrudge these people for having their opinions, but trying to censor media is ridiculous, nothing can take the place of true parenting skills. The game is already rated M! If a parent is a religious zealot or thinks sex is evil, then i'm sure that parent probably wouldn't let their kid play a rated M game. The industry has already made concessions and already has ratings in place for parents to be able to act on games they might find offensive. Going any further is censorship and taking away our liberties. These people should leave America and go to North Korea or China where they do the kind of censorship they approve of.

DrunkenThumbmaster
01-13-2008, 11:51 AM
I kind of see her point. I have kids and there is no whay in hell you can monitor everything. You can teach your kid right restrict there media and send them to school and bam one of you guys heathen children :thumbsup: will have a influence that the parent really can't control.

Now I'm not saying this chick is right about the content in the game. I'm not saying that games should be edited I don't think that. But I do think the industry talks out of both sides of it's mouth.

First they always point to the ratings but then fight legislation to restrict sell of M rated games to minors. You can't have it both ways. If the industry doesn't get behind legislation to restrict M rated games to minors. I don't see how they can deny this woman's claims that M rated software is being marketed to children.

And also let AO rated games be sold and played on the platforms. If you are really enforcing your ratings there should be no problems for games made for Adults Only. But the fact is the ratings aren't enforced the industry knows this. So they effecitively ban AO rated games because they know All there games are marketed toward children. And they draw this arbitrary line saying we won't sell these to kids. Even though the rating is AO.

And anyone saying it's soley the parents responsibiltiy either has never raised kids or is being unreasonable. Honestly how much Sh!t did you guys sneak and get away with without your parents knowing??


As for the idiotic comment about Sex. Look Sex is fun sex feels good. But the consequences of sexual behavior are not always felt. You go blow somebody brains out and boom right there you have to deal with it. A couple 12 or 13 kids sneaking around screwing each other may not have no effects right away. Not to mention the kids are going to enjoy it. So it's harder to teach against it and it doesn't have to be treated the same way as violence does.

Jyoharl
01-13-2008, 03:35 PM
I kind of see her point. I have kids and there is no whay in hell you can monitor everything. You can teach your kid right restrict there media and send them to school and bam one of you guys heathen children :thumbsup: will have a influence that the parent really can't control.

Now I'm not saying this chick is right about the content in the game. I'm not saying that games should be edited I don't think that. But I do think the industry talks out of both sides of it's mouth.

First they always point to the ratings but then fight legislation to restrict sell of M rated games to minors. You can't have it both ways. If the industry doesn't get behind legislation to restrict M rated games to minors. I don't see how they can deny this woman's claims that M rated software is being marketed to children.

And also let AO rated games be sold and played on the platforms. If you are really enforcing your ratings there should be no problems for games made for Adults Only. But the fact is the ratings aren't enforced the industry knows this. So they effecitively ban AO rated games because they know All there games are marketed toward children. And they draw this arbitrary line saying we won't sell these to kids. Even though the rating is AO.

And anyone saying it's soley the parents responsibiltiy either has never raised kids or is being unreasonable. Honestly how much Sh!t did you guys sneak and get away with without your parents knowing??


As for the idiotic comment about Sex. Look Sex is fun sex feels good. But the consequences of sexual behavior are not always felt. You go blow somebody brains out and boom right there you have to deal with it. A couple 12 or 13 kids sneaking around screwing each other may not have no effects right away. Not to mention the kids are going to enjoy it. So it's harder to teach against it and it doesn't have to be treated the same way as violence does.

My daughter's a heathen!? Nah, just joking.

You got some points there. I remember when I was 13 and all of the crazy things that I did....that's what scares me about my daughter, because unless I teach her properly, she'll do worse.

What people fail to understand is, Children are SUPER creative. If they can conceive it, they will achieve it. This can be either a great thing or a horrible thing. I can't tell you how many times I've paid adults to get porno for me when I was 13-14. Hell, I even had 20 year old friends get the stuff for me.

Sex is inevitable. Puberty will hit, children will become teenagers, instinct will hit them to simulate sex through masturbation, which will eventually lead to the curiosity of going all the way. They'll discover themselves and then their sexual preferences will be placed on the table and they'll work with that. Straight, Gay, both sides of the street or nympho freeway with orgy turnpike. It's a scientific fact that boys and girls will become sexually active without the discussion or view of sex. It comes with being born.

What I hate, is how religious sects, lawyers and congress try to paint a picture of sex being wrong, and then blame the parents for not doing their jobs, blah. It's never occurred to anyone that at the age of 3, a child can fully think for themselves?

it's a money thing. It will never change. people look carefully to find loopholes in order to get more money. GameStop is a family oriented store, but they sell M rated games...see the hypocrisy here? But wait! This is not a hypocrisy! GameStop is a "family" oriented store, which lawyers can say "GameStop sells products for all members of the family". good ol' dad can pick up the playboy game because the wife is not putting out. The wife can pick up Wii Fitness, Lil' Timmy can pick up Transformers, and Jessica can pick up Barbie's adventures. Something for everyone.

....bah....makes me sick.

We can learn alot from other forms of media. Let's look at PBS Kids Thirteen, and Noggin. Both channels are directed to young children only. You'll never see something involving Little bear putting 2 bullets in Wishbone the Dog's head! Cartoon Network, on the other hand, is "family oriented", so you'll see Bugs Bunny kissing Elmer Fudd, The Boondocks with the "I shot a nigga!" this and that, and...hey! There goes Barbie's Adventures along with Shirt Tales!

Let me not steer away from what I'm trying to say here....people need to be realistic...companies need to be realistic. Mass Effect is doing nothing wrong. If THAT's the case, let's ban Grand Theft Auto some more for hearing a woman have an orgasm. "That's it! Remember: Nice guys finish last!"

NEO-360
01-14-2008, 09:55 PM
I agree with what TMG said earlier they cant have it both ways. First off, its common sense here:If you dont like whats on TV turn the channel. If you dont like these type of games dont buy them for your kid. If you dont want your kid playing these types of games on his/ her fix it to where it'll only play rated "E" and rated "T" games then. The PS2 can do this. The Xbox can do this. The PS3 can do this. The 360 can do this. If these ass----- would do their homework they would know this could be done.

Using kids as the scapegoat is getting old. There are more adult gamers out there than little kids. I mean its bad enough 18 years ago videogames got ratings like movies. But even with that most parents are so naive when it comes to the games they buy for their kids."Mommy, I want Grand Theft Auto." "How much is it?" "Oh thats not bad." "Whats it about?" "A guy holding up stores and taking cars." "Oh, Ok." :rolleyes:

With wonderful examples in society like Britney Spears and her knocked up little sister I dont see how the gaming industry constantly comes under fire. A game has a sex scene in it. Big f'n deal. Where were these guys when God Of War I & II came out? Hell, they even shown T & A rather clearly on those games. Not to mention Kratos was tapping ass so hard the bed shook along with the joystick.(smile)

If a game has a rating on it along with a full description of what the contents are inside the game there is nothing left to be said.At that point its up to the customer along with whomever is in charge of the household.

Outside of that those liberals truly needs an enema. I mean shows on TV are 10 times worse than the contents inside of a "M" rated video game. Just sad. But whenever a game comes under fire all that does is bring the game even more attention. From there more people will want to see it for themselves. Society truly needs to grow up and stop insulting gamers intelligence.:aureola:

DrunkenThumbmaster
01-16-2008, 10:49 AM
Yeah because every kid is an angel who does everything there parents say. And every good parent as the time and energy to monitor every piece of media there child comes across right?

Seriously make it illegal ot sale games to kids then all these friviously lawsuits go away. But the industry won't they'll hide behind the argument of free speech. But in reality they want kids buying there M rated games so the argument of selling these games to kids has weight. Because the industry does purposely do this that magical 18yr to 35yr male market is really 13 to 35 and they know it.

Now How old a kid should be before there able to handle certain material is up for debate. Anyway I'm sound like a broken record and I'm done.