Mass Effect, Best Game Ever? What's up with PS3?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Forget game of the year, i'm about 20 hours into Mass Effect and I don't know that this isn't one of the best games i've every played. The story is incredible, the dialogue incredible, the ship incredible, all the details incredible, the combat/action is incredible, the graphics incredible. The pacing and story telling is just absolutely spot-on. The sci-fi technology in this game is so well detailed and elaborated you would think this technology actually exists, the details about each species and planet is overwhelming. And I simply love all the alien species and fighting the geth androids is just cooler than Star Wars. This is without a doubt the best ever console RPG, and this game is right up there with Bioware's PC Baldur's Gate series. I remember the feeling I had when I initially played Baldur's Gate, it was just overwhelming. Of course the graphics and everything in M.E. just overwhelm 90's technology, so you can't compare directly, but I can compare the feeling of astonishment I had with Baldur's Gate to M.E., this is one of the top 5 games i've every played.

I'm not even half-way done with the game. I'm doing every single mission that pops up, i'm reading every bit of text and listening to every bit of dialog, if I finish this game in 60 hours i'd be surprised. And once i'm done with it, i'm playing it again.

How this game is only rated 91% I cannot fathom. I know a game of this magnitude, depth, and scope is not going to even be playable by half the console gamers out there, just too many ADD freaks who have the attention span of a gnat. But the flaws in this game are simply so minor they don't even deserve mention. Thus far i've only two problems with the game. First at times one of my teammates will not follow orders, so I reloaded the game and everything was fine. This happened twice. The second thing i've noticed is sometimes the characters arms or weapons will get stuck in doors and walls, i've seen this a few times. I haven't read reviews yet on this game so I don't know what they claim the problems are. I know there was a lot of talk about technical problems with the game, I have not seen any aside from those I mentioned.

There is not another game close to Mass Effect this year, period. The combat alone bests Halo3, Bioshock, and COD4. The powers, the weapons, the upgrades, simply staggering. And when I realized you get powerful enough to actually leave the Mako and fight enemy Geth Armatures and heavy troops on foot, I was amazed. If you just used the Mako to blast through, you probably missed out on a lot of XP and some damn amazing fights that would leave you saying, Halo who? Call of What?

On a side note, has anyone tried Naruto? This game is pretty damn good. I really haven't played it, but both my daughters and my gf started their own games!! I'm going to start a game soon too because the little bit I played is hella fun.

<b>What the hell is going on with the PS3?</b> I finished R&C and now there is nothing! First let me say, Rachet&Clank the last 1/3rd of the game is incredible. Why they made the first 2/3rds of the game so damn boring and sucky, I have no idea. I would say the game is about an 83%, it easily could have been a 9/10 if it was as good throughout as it was in the end. I was really having fun with it, but my daughter lost interest halfway through. I actually look forward to the next one, hopefully they will pace it better. But right now, I have absolutely NOTHING to play with my PS3. I'm just watching movies on it, and I don't see anything on the horizon. I guess DMC4 is coming in February, but i'm not so sure which system I will buy it for! There is still no rumble on PS3 and I get the gamer points and rumble with the 360 version. Since it is a PS franchise, I would like to get it on the PS3, but with the controller disadvantages and no points, why should I?

I'm still happy I got my PS3, it is my HD source for my Samsung 71f set, plus the handwriting is on the wall, HD-DVD is dead as all the studios fall off. Let it be known, studios killed HD-DVD, not Blu-ray. But that war is over and I'm very happy with the PS3 as a movie player. But damn there just isn't anything to play. Late last summer Sony said there would be 180 games or something over the next fiscal year, which started in the fall, well I just don't see that happening. Right now PS3 is sucking wind and it isn't getting better. I'm probably going to sell back R&C and buy a PS3 remote because there are no games to buy for it. See ya Lemmings!

[Dancer O_o]

That's a lot of "incredible" for M.E. you got going on, I don't think that word means what you think it means (inconceivable!). I thought the ship that you go galavanting around in was oddly designed on the outside, and uniquely designed on the inside. I did like all the bits of technical information on all the races, ships and technology. The dialogue was great at times and extremely weak and campy at others, and sometimes extremely juvenile (love scenes and poetry crap had me rolling eyes). The combat and fighting was good, but the squad AI was nearly useless mainly. A lot of the side missions are boring as hell. I am on the second play through for ME, but I stopped recently because of Warhawk taking up all my gaming time. I guess you beat Uncharted, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Unreal and other good PS3 games, huh? Have fun with the remote...

[ThaMaskedGamer]

That's a lot of "incredible" for M.E. you got going on, I don't think that word means what you think it means (inconceivable!). I thought the ship that you go galavanting around in was oddly designed on the outside, and uniquely designed on the inside. I did like all the bits of technical information on all the races, ships and technology. The dialogue was great at times and extremely weak and campy at others, and sometimes extremely juvenile (love scenes and poetry crap had me rolling eyes). The combat and fighting was good, but the squad AI was nearly useless mainly. A lot of the side missions are boring as hell. I am on the second play through for ME, but I stopped recently because of Warhawk taking up all my gaming time. I guess you beat Uncharted, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Unreal and other good PS3 games, huh? Have fun with the remote...

I don't know what your experience is with a lot of these PC developer based RPGs, but when you think about games like the original BG, Planescape, Ice Wind Dale, Elder Scrolls, and even all the way back to some of the old old turnbased RPGs, you get those wild swings in dialog. But I think M.E. has kept it tight in the 'zone better than any other RPG before it. I think the maturity of the political plot and the gravity of some of the situations is pretty damn good. What makes it even more impressive is everything, even the majority of the codex is delivered through voice dialog, to me that makes it tons more playable. Even though when using the codex I read along with the text, but the sheer amount of voice and quality of the voice acting is just unparalleled.

I can tell by the way you mention the squad AI, you probably don't have much experience with these kinds of rpgs or you just play them completely different than I do. I find the strength of these games is you have the ability to play a ton of characters at once. It makes choosing your race, profession, and skills less of pain, because you know if I didn't choose an Infiltrator probably one of the characters on my team will be one, so its all good. If I don't specialize in this, I can make one my team members specialize in it. So I set up the game so that my teammates do NOT use their abilities, even defensive ones on their own. I control everything. And to do this you have to make use of the trademark pause/real-time battle system Bioware has made so much great use of over the years.

Only here in M.E., it is all so convenient and well thought out. With the combat and tech wheels you can control all of your characters and issue orders at the same time, instead of individually, un-pause and the action flows. It is a small innovation, but the benefit is priceless. I would imagine that if you just fight completely real time, and let your squad control their powers, that would be a completely different experience than what I'm doing. I've never ever played Bioware rpgs that way, and that really isn't the best way to play M.E. imo. Perhaps this is what a lot of reviewers did and maybe this accounts for some of the score fluctuations. And also this probably explains how people can finish the game in under 15 or 20 hours or whatever.

But I love when a battle starts, bringing up the menu, setting up one character to cast a stasis field on the most powerful opponent, have another character activate their carnage for the shotgun, then casting overload from my character. Un-pausing and then letting it rip, then setting up the next wave of attacks. There is just an infinite amount of strategies and the combat just unfolds into a thing of beauty.

I agree some of the side missions are weak, but this is typical with these kinds of RPGs, you get some whacky quests and you get some really interesting ones. I think in this game the ratio of good to whacky quests is higher than any other deep rpg i've played. I mean in AD&D world fighting spiders and wolves and stuff is getting old. I love the missions in this game. And some like Ferros and the Thorian are simply some of the best moments in gaming i've seen.

Far as the PS3, yeah I've beaten Uncharted, it was great game. I beat R&C a good game. I thought about buying Warhawk, but I just don't have the time to game online and some of the reviews turned me off because the game doesn't appear to have enough variety. If you read the Eurogamer review and pay attention to parts about lack of variety and the game can get old fast, that worries me. The last games of this variety I played was Crimson Skies, Star Wars Battlefront and the Mech Assault 2 game on the XBOX. Crimson Skies was a lot of fun, but it did get boring due to lack of variety in missions and weapons etc. Mech Assault and Star Wars Battlefront were fantastic online because they had a lot of variety, I think Warhawk leans more toward Crimson Skies than the kind of variety in a Star Wars Battlefront. I'm still considering it, in fact that's the only PS3 game i'm considering at the moment. I'm going to rent RFOM for sure. But HS I just have no interest in that game, no block button, whacky added components just to extend gameplay, and button mashing. I played Conan, and that was enough button mashing to last a lifetime, I couldn't imagine playing a game like that with no block button either. Another game I was looking at was F1, but I still need to finish Forza2, and I don't have a wheel for the PS3. Unreal gave that a try, suffice it to say, I just don't find frag-fest interesting, to me this game is just like it was in the 90s, just like Quake was, just mindless running around and fragging. Come on guys, PS3s line-up is just weak right now, the main problem is most of the exclusives on PS3 can be finished in 10 hours or less and all the multiplats are a better experience on 360 because you get rumble and gamer points. One of my next games will be Assassin's Creed, but there is no way I get that game on the PS3.

[Dancer O_o]

I played ME combat like this: walk into room or area, see droids pause action and start turning on squad character abilities (shielding, badguy toss, etc.), unpause and duck behind available wall, throw out some bullets, if action gets intense turn on my own characters shielding or abilities and order my squad to attack or duck-and-cover depending on level of enemy involvement...if things get real dicey throw a nade, hope for the best and maybe fallback a bit until you find a way to get the upper-hand back. Good fun and I never got tired of it.

I've played and beat nearly ever game Bioware has made, and most 2 or 3 times over. ME is a very good game and definitely something not to be missed, it just feels slightly unpolished. I also agree that the voice acting was great, there are a few moments of the characters not quite having the facial emotions that the spoken dialogue had, but mainly it was impressive.

Warhawk has way more variety than you have given it credit for. The reason I ignored it for a long time is because I thought exactly as you currently do, lack of variety. After playing it a good deal I find it to have more variety of gameplay than most Battlefront and Battlefield games and the balance is better too. It is also one of those weird online games that you can literally get into for 15 to 20 minutes here and there and really enjoy it, I usually play it that way except Friday nights when I may put as many as 6 or 7 hours at a time into it. If you get it I recommend ignoring the blue tooth headset package and just get the game only, you'd enjoy it more by not having to communicate with peons anyway.

I understand not wanting more Unreal Returnament, it is a tired genre mainly. I have great interest in the level creator part of that game that is currently not out just yet for the PS3, I would like to see if a person can create not just fragging maps but maybe a singleplayer mod out of it, that is probably too much to ask for though.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I played ME combat like this: walk into room or area, see droids pause action and start turning on squad character abilities (shielding, badguy toss, etc.), unpause and duck behind available wall, throw out some bullets, if action gets intense turn on my own characters shielding or abilities and order my squad to attack or duck-and-cover depending on level of enemy involvement...if things get real dicey throw a nade, hope for the best and maybe fallback a bit until you find a way to get the upper-hand back. Good fun and I never got tired of it. Okay, we play the same way then. I guess I just didn't understand what u mean about Squad AI.

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I've played and beat nearly ever game Bioware has made, and most 2 or 3 times over. ME is a very good game and definitely something not to be missed, it just feels slightly unpolished. </b> I got the game late, relatively, and I can't remember when I first it in if it downloaded a patch. It must have, because i'm not seeing where this game is unpolished. I do notice small things like what I previously mentioned, but another thing I notice is sometimes when you go to the equipment screen, armor's texture takes a second to load. But there are always some kind of anomalies in any game. A game of this magnitude is bound to have a few small hiccups. I'm just sayin' wow that seems nitpicky. Especially when you look at other big games like I, yup, COD4, no AI whatsoever, hundreds of spawning enemies, artificial thresholds that cut off the spawning. For ME's scope imo thus far this game is flawless.

<b>I also agree that the voice acting was great, there are a few moments of the characters not quite having the facial emotions that the spoken dialogue had, but mainly it was impressive.</b>Wow you are tough. Can u really imagine all the dialog in this game and they facial mapped it all, i'm sure if u look hard enough it doesn't always sync up, but wow that's kinda nitpicky.

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Warhawk has way more variety than you have given it credit for. The reason I ignored it for a long time is because I thought exactly as you currently do, lack of variety. After playing it a good deal I find it to have more variety of gameplay than most Battlefront and Battlefield games and the balance is better too. It is also one of those weird online games that you can literally get into for 15 to 20 minutes here and there and really enjoy it, I usually play it that way except Friday nights when I may put as many as 6 or 7 hours at a time into it. If you get it I recommend ignoring the blue tooth headset package and just get the game only, you'd enjoy it more by not having to communicate with peons anyway. </b>Man the last sentence just killed it for me! I don't see how you can play team games with no comms! That was one of the great things about SW Battlefront and MechAssault 2. M.E.2 if you played as the little VTOL Chopper u had to drop off weapons and ammo, and smaller mechs etc, we really coordinated with comms. Crimson Skies, not so much.

Anyway, I don't doubt Warhawk is a lot fun and probably more varied than I think. I have a hard time believing it is as varied as SW Battlefront though, just too many units in that game of different variety. I'm gonna try and hold out, plus I know you were joking about the remote, but we actually need it. I can use the controller just fine, but nobody else in my house can.
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I understand not wanting more Unreal Returnament, it is a tired genre mainly. I have great interest in the level creator part of that game that is currently not out just yet for the PS3, I would like to see if a person can create not just fragging maps but maybe a singleplayer mod out of it, that is probably too much to ask for though.</b>Exactly, give me a Crimson Skies, a Warhawk, a SW Battlefront, even a Midtown Madness, I enjoy these games much more than just fragging, its gotta be a little bit more to it than that, and I just hate how people just jump around shooting like idiots in that game. Soldiers don't jump!

Anyway, i'm gonna rent RFOM, but it is just weird having a console and not owning one game, that is after I trade back R&C.

[Dancer O_o]

I think Half Life 2 spoiled me when it comes to emoting characters and excellent voice syncing.

I don't enjoy talking to gamers in the games anymore and can get more accomplished by ignoring my compatriots and doing my own killing (freaking one manned army I am). I play SW battlefront Renegade Squadron a lot online with PSP as well, another excellent game.

I don't care for using the sixaxis as a movie remote.

Renting RFOM is a good idea, I have tried to play the game a second time through, but have gotten bored with it and the game has the worst lag online.

exit, stage left...

[Mochan]

I know a game of this magnitude, depth, and scope is not going to even be playable by half the console gamers out there, just too many ADD freaks who have the attention span of a gnat.

Says the guy who can't figure out how to get to a barn or find a missile launcher.

The dialogue was great at times and extremely weak and campy at others, and sometimes extremely juvenile (love scenes and poetry crap had me rolling eyes).


That reminded me of the love crap writing we got in Baldur's Gate 2.


but when you think about games like the original BG, Planescape, Ice Wind Dale, Elder Scrolls, and even all the way back to some of the old old turnbased RPGs, you get those wild swings in dialog.

... which is exactly why JRPGs generally are superior to them in this regard.

[Fivespot]

Umm Warhawk originally released with a free bluetooth headset (the retail version, not the d/l copy) and therefore there are quite a few people talking on Warhawk. There are also people communicating on other games like COD4 & Resistance. I'd guess more have mics than don't or at least that's been my personal experience.

Let me know if you go online with Resistance TMG. I'll play a few with ya. It's fun although I'm new and I'm getting spanked pretty bad when I play.

[ilnadmy]

Exactly, give me a Crimson Skies, a Warhawk, a SW Battlefront, even a Midtown Madness, I enjoy these games much more than just fragging, its gotta be a little bit more to it than that, and I just hate how people just jump around shooting like idiots in that game. Soldiers don't jump!

Ironic, really. You bash and bash on Battlefield, when that's EXACTLY what you seem to be looking for. It's a very methodical online shooter (no shooting while jumping, for instance). But it's too bad you can't look past the fact that it's a PC game.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Says the guy who can't figure out how to get to a barn or find a missile launcher. I don't care about anything you say, but please just don't get me confused with other posters, that wasn't me, that was somebody else dork. I'm the first guy on this board to finish COD4 on VET mode, the first time through, when you were playing it on regular, not even hard mode. Oh also I got 850/1000 gamer points on my first and only run through.




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... which is exactly why JRPGs generally are superior to them in this regard.[/QUOTE]
</b> When they start making role playing games that aren't turn-based or based and based on anime, i'll play a J-RPG. I don't care if its Japanese or French, I just can't play completely turn base RPGs any more. Also, i'm not the biggest fan of their fixation with teen-age boys and stuff. But if that's your thing, do you.

Anyway I know u hate bioware rpgs, but I do know u like shooters, this just might be the bioware rpgs to change your mind, it is that good.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Ironic, really. You bash and bash on Battlefield, when that's EXACTLY what you seem to be looking for. It's a very methodical online shooter (no shooting while jumping, for instance). But it's too bad you can't look past the fact that it's a PC game.

You guys keep getting me mixed up, I didn't bash Battlefield. If I said the game wasn't 90% or something, that isn't bashing, that is a fact. What I remember saying about the game was that I did download the demo and I thought it was good. Of course I won't get the PC version because i'm not upgrading my PC to play games, i'm done with that. But I got nothing against Battlefield.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Umm Warhawk originally released with a free bluetooth headset (the retail version, not the d/l copy) and therefore there are quite a few people talking on Warhawk. There are also people communicating on other games like COD4 & Resistance. I'd guess more have mics than don't or at least that's been my personal experience.

Let me know if you go online with Resistance TMG. I'll play a few with ya. It's fun although I'm new and I'm getting spanked pretty bad when I play.

Hey what's your GT on PS3. Mine is Phaze-Velocity, I think, I haven't used it since I set it up gotta check that. Did you guys decide what version of Burnout Paradise you will be getting?
Though i'm not heavy into arcade racers that might be a good game we can get some VGR action going with, plus since it seems like more guys here have PS3s than working or reliable 360s, maybe we should do the PS3 version, at the very least give me an excuse to buy another Ps3 game.

[T.Tashi]

Every exclusive 360 game is the best game evar. :rolleyes: Btw, Kane & Lynch is not a good game. It certainly didnot want to make me run out and spend $60. I played through the demo since was available on PSN and while it's not unplayable, it and Uncharted aren't even in the same league. I'm always willing to jump on undeserving reviews 'cause reviewers get it wrong all the time. But they nailed this one. Bleh!

[Fivespot]

Hey what's your GT on PS3. Mine is Phaze-Velocity, I think, I haven't used it since I set it up gotta check that. Did you guys decide what version of Burnout Paradise you will be getting?
Though i'm not heavy into arcade racers that might be a good game we can get some VGR action going with, plus since it seems like more guys here have PS3s than working or reliable 360s, maybe we should do the PS3 version, at the very least give me an excuse to buy another Ps3 game.

My PSN ID is FIVESPOT. Send me a friend request next time you get around to signing in.

I plan on picking up Burnout Paradise for the PS3.

[theWacoKid]

Every exclusive 360 game is the best game evar. :rolleyes: Btw, Kane & Lynch is not a good game. It certainly didnot want to make me run out and spend $60. I played through the demo since was available on PSN and while it's not unplayable, it and Uncharted aren't even in the same league. I'm always willing to jump on undeserving reviews 'cause reviewers get it wrong all the time. But they nailed this one. Bleh!

Bingo, that's what I was telling people. Kane and Lynch blows. I downloaded the demo and I was reminded at how atrocious the AI is, how stiff the animations are, its like you're playing virtua cop but without the light gun. I got bad guys running out into the open, my guys don't even recognize they exist and even if they did, those putzes can't hit the broad side of a barn.

And TMG is the guy telling people Kane and Lynch AI is good, what does that tell you. COD4 blows, K&L is good, and I'm going to listen to anything this dyed in the wool xbot has to say. What part of your credibility being non-existent, don't you get? Bioshock is an 85%, I have issues with the game, uh, correct that, I no longer have issues, its 90%, no check that, the game is incredible, its 93%. WTF?!

ME has only very minor problems not worth commenting on?! WTF kind of drugs is he on? An ass framerate, long loads are not worth commenting on. Talk about putting the blinders on. The same clown who nitpicks differences between ps3 and 360 versions of games and saying I''ll never play AC on the ps3, blah, blah, blah, because of that, totally ignores what for many people are actually fairly major issues with ME.

Its the same crap with this guy, ME, best game EVAR, incredible, incredible, incredible. Whatever. Bring it over to the ps3, and I'll give it a rent, and maybe by that time, they'll have a framerate that doesn't suck.

[Dancer O_o]

Bring it over to the ps3, and I'll give it a rent, and maybe by that time, they'll have a framerate that doesn't suck.

and textures that don't come in 5 seconds late to the party

[ilnadmy]

LOL TMG is a character. Kane and Lynch has good AI and squad commands that work and COD4 sucks. Yet everyone else on here says the opposite. Then he says ME has absolutely no flaws and is the best damn game of all time. I'm not surprised really. Halo 2 had textures that popped in "5 seconds late to the party" and yet TMG says he's never seen that. I guess as long as the code runs on an Xbox, TMG is genetically unable to see its flaws.

[Mochan]

Don't count on a port of ME to resolve any framerate issues. Jade Empire, which had framerate issues on the Xbox, was ported to the PC and even with top of the line hardware stronger than an Xbox 360 it still had framerate issues. Heck, I think the framerate issues got even worse. Bioware sucks at coding.

[Cuddly Knife]

I've never seen H2 have 5 second pop-in. Maybe a quarter second, but not five whole seconds. Perhaps you're just over-exaggerating on purpose, but I've seen texture pop-in even on PS3 games, Sigma and Heavenly Sword to name a couple. Where you can see whole areas of a level appear instantly, or low-poly transformed to detailed instantly.

[Glockstar]

Says the guy who can't figure out how to get to a barn or find a missile launcher.

Don't be a friggin' idiot; get your posters straight.

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Bioshock is an 85%, I have issues with the game, uh, correct that, I no longer have issues, its 90%, no check that, the game is incredible, its 93%. WTF?!

And wtf are you talking about?

[theWacoKid]

Don't be a friggin' idiot; get your posters straight.

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And wtf are you talking about?

Check his postings on Bioshock. unlike you and TMG I don't operate in a MS drug induced haze of confusion.

[Mochan]

For the record, Crysis also had texture pop-ups on my rig. I probably need a new PC to really not have any of those.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

and textures that don't come in 5 seconds late to the party

LOL.

I noticed that whether I'm jumping out of the Mako, the Normandy, or even the pause screen. I was showing someone the game and I had to say" wait a couple of seconds for all the graphics to come in......and there it is".

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I'm getting Burnout Paradise on the 360. Based on the demo, it's the one game that I can fully control with this steering wheel.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

For those guys basing a whole game off a demo, blow me. Until you play the whole game, shaddup. K&L isn't no where in the league of M.E. or Bioshock, but it is a 77-82, game. The only real flaw with the game is the graphics. The AI is average, better than the AI in COD4 and better than the AI in Uncharted. The reason why you guys can't tell that the AI in Uncharted is bad is because half of the game Laura or whatever her name was, isn't there and when she is there she can't die. Most of the game you only have one teammate.

In COD4, your whole team cannot die, they can get hit point-blank by rocket launchers and not die. Now Whacko, Ilnadmy, and Tashi all feel that is good programming. Well you have your standards and I have mine. K&L also does't have to rely on zombie respawning AI that have no intelligence to offer a challenge. So again, you guys appreciate what you appreciate and I appreciate what I appreciate. The AI in COD4 is the worse of all three, Uncharted is better, but K&L AI is much better. Oh and if you get tired of relying on the AI, you can issue ORDERS yourself in K&L.

On top of that you hypocrites appreciate the fact you can take cover and blindfire from cover in Uncharted. When Uncharted does it, it is the best game of all time. When any other game does it, taking cover is not necessary! COD4 is supposed to be the most advanced military shooter, the end all and be all, yet you can't even take cover or issue orders. The fact of the matter is COD4 and Uncharted are graphical showpieces, and that is enough for you so-called "gaymers" to look through all the holes in those games. I'm not saying K&L is better than the other two, i'm saying it has many of the same problems, and the other two have problems that K&L doesn't have. I had more fun with K&L than I did with the other two games. I would have enjoyed Uncharted more if I had played it on the hardest mode and if the game was a bit more challenging, the enemy AI was goofy as hell, and if the ending wasn't so damn horrid. COD4, a pretty game, but just a mess as a so-called top knotch modern day tactical military shooter. Is COD4 better than both games, probably so, but i'm harder on COD4 because this is my favorite genre and subgenre, military shooters, and as a military shooter the only bar COD4 pushed was graphics, and even in many ways GRAWS graphics were far superior, especially with vehicles. COD4 is a FPS squad based tactical game, when I judge it as such, it just blows!

As far as M.E. textures popping in late, yeah, I already said that. I haven't noticed it in game, only in the squad or equipment menu. It isn't 5 seconds more like 2, but it is noticeable. That's a legitimate ding on the game, but it has no effect on the excellent gameplay at all. If that is the legitimacy that haters need to justify missing out on one of the best games ever, go ahead. I couldn't care less. This is a great great game, i'm not losing any sleep over Milkdrinkers not playing it. Go ahead and play Uncharted for the third time and fight the amazing cursed:rolleyes: I mean I liked Uncharted it was a good to great game, but the difference between M.E. and PS3's best game shows why 360 is wipin' its arse with the PS3. PS3 exclusives have a long long way to go in terms of deep gameplay and offering lasting value. I think we see now who the true graphic whores really are.

[NEO-360]

Bingo, that's what I was telling people. Kane and Lynch blows. I downloaded the demo and I was reminded at how atrocious the AI is, how stiff the animations are, its like you're playing virtua cop but without the light gun. I got bad guys running out into the open, my guys don't even recognize they exist and even if they did, those putzes can't hit the broad side of a barn.

And TMG is the guy telling people Kane and Lynch AI is good, what does that tell you. COD4 blows, K&L is good, and I'm going to listen to anything this dyed in the wool xbot has to say. What part of your credibility being non-existent, don't you get? Bioshock is an 85%, I have issues with the game, uh, correct that, I no longer have issues, its 90%, no check that, the game is incredible, its 93%. WTF?!

ME has only very minor problems not worth commenting on?! WTF kind of drugs is he on? An ass framerate, long loads are not worth commenting on. Talk about putting the blinders on. The same clown who nitpicks differences between ps3 and 360 versions of games and saying I''ll never play AC on the ps3, blah, blah, blah, because of that, totally ignores what for many people are actually fairly major issues with ME.

Its the same crap with this guy, ME, best game EVAR, incredible, incredible, incredible. Whatever. Bring it over to the ps3, and I'll give it a rent, and maybe by that time, they'll have a framerate that doesn't suck.

We are talking about an RPG. How in the blue hell did a sucky game like Kane & Lynch get thrown into this thread? Regardless of ME's minor issues its still one of the best RPG's on any console. But yet the PS3 currently has not one RPG exclusive that represents as well as ME does. Not every game that graces the 360 are winners. I can admit that without hesitation. But the majority of games thats come out for the 360 HAS lived up to the hype. The sales numbers has proven that time and time again.

Has games like Uncharted, R & C, Lair,RFOM,and Heavenly Sword sold well on the PS3? Hardly. But yet the best you can do is rag on ME from Bioware is not perfect? Stick a Cucumber up your pie-hole. Bioware always makes kick-ass RPG's whether its for a console or a PC. The best the PS3 has is Elder Scrolls. A game that first came from where? The 360. So until FF arrives for the PS3 you need to keep your mouth shut. Regardless of its faults the game itself is better than most PS3 titles thats out now.

Plain and simple. I agree though that the A.I. for ME for your group isnt nowhere as good as games like KOTOR was. You basically carry that team through every gun battle. I need to play it some more. I've been too busy playing Assassin's Creed and Dead Rising lately.:D

[T.Tashi]

For those guys basing a whole game off a demo, blow me. Until you play the whole game, shaddup. K&L isn't no where in the league of M.E. or Bioshock, but it is a 77-82, game. The only real flaw with the game is the graphics. The AI is average, better than the AI in COD4 and better than the AI in Uncharted. The reason why you guys can't tell that the AI in Uncharted is bad is because half of the game Laura or whatever her name was, isn't there and when she is there she can't die. Most of the game you only have one teammate.

In COD4, your whole team cannot die, they can get hit point-blank by rocket launchers and not die. Now Whacko, Ilnadmy, and Tashi all feel that is good programming. Well you have your standards and I have mine. K&L also does't have to rely on zombie respawning AI that have no intelligence to offer a challenge. So again, you guys appreciate what you appreciate and I appreciate what I appreciate. The AI in COD4 is the worse of all three, Uncharted is better, but K&L AI is much better. Oh and if you get tired of relying on the AI, you can issue ORDERS yourself in K&L.

On top of that you hypocrites appreciate the fact you can take cover and blindfire from cover in Uncharted. When Uncharted does it, it is the best game of all time. When any other game does it, taking cover is not necessary! COD4 is supposed to be the most advanced military shooter, the end all and be all, yet you can't even take cover or issue orders. The fact of the matter is COD4 and Uncharted are graphical showpieces, and that is enough for you so-called "gaymers" to look through all the holes in those games. I'm not saying K&L is better than the other two, i'm saying it has many of the same problems, and the other two have problems that K&L doesn't have. I had more fun with K&L than I did with the other two games. I would have enjoyed Uncharted more if I had played it on the hardest mode and if the game was a bit more challenging, the enemy AI was goofy as hell, and if the ending wasn't so damn horrid. COD4, a pretty game, but just a mess as a so-called top knotch modern day tactical military shooter. Is COD4 better than both games, probably so, but i'm harder on COD4 because this is my favorite genre and subgenre, military shooters, and as a military shooter the only bar COD4 pushed was graphics, and even in many ways GRAWS graphics were far superior, especially with vehicles. COD4 is a FPS squad based tactical game, when I judge it as such, it just blows!

As far as M.E. textures popping in late, yeah, I already said that. I haven't noticed it in game, only in the squad or equipment menu. It isn't 5 seconds more like 2, but it is noticeable. That's a legitimate ding on the game, but it has no effect on the excellent gameplay at all. If that is the legitimacy that haters need to justify missing out on one of the best games ever, go ahead. I couldn't care less. This is a great great game, i'm not losing any sleep over Milkdrinkers not playing it. Go ahead and play Uncharted for the third time and fight the amazing cursed:rolleyes: I mean I liked Uncharted it was a good to great game, but the difference between M.E. and PS3's best game shows why 360 is wipin' its arse with the PS3. PS3 exclusives have a long long way to go in terms of deep gameplay and offering lasting value. I think we see now who the true graphic whores really are.

Coming from a guy who criticized the entire PS2 library. :rolleyes:

Uncharted is a squad based game? LOL! That's news to me. Yo'u're criticizing the game for something it's not just to make your flawed point. The really funny thing is this "Best Game Evar" thread wouldn't even exist if ME came to the PS3 at the same time.

And wtf are you talking about rocket lauchers and good programming? I never even made 1 post about COD4.

[ilnadmy]

The consensus seems to be that the AI in Kane and Lynch is total crap. TMG, no one is buying your crap.

[theWacoKid]

The consensus seems to be that the AI in Kane and Lynch is total crap. TMG, no one is buying your crap.

TMG is and has been an idiot for the longest time. That fact isn't going to change.

Brief expert from a gamezone review commenting on the AI and basically confirming what I've said.

Another element that is extremely frustrating is the AI. Everyone, teammate and enemy alike, is horribly stupid. Your teammates have no means of thinking for themselves, and will constantly run out into the middle of harm’s way for no good reason, requiring you to go in and save his ass. Enemies will constantly do the same insipid actions, like run to the same stationary gun when someone has just been shot out of it, stand around in place when somebody is sniping them, or do the classic “run at you full speed while shooting at you.” Another sign of lazy AI programming comes from their aim, which is impeccable. While Kane can’t hit the broad side of a barn (more on the lousy controls in a bit), the enemy AI never misses, regardless of what ever close range SMG they happen to be holding from a few hundred yards away.

Let's see if masked moron, can pull out reviews praising the exemplary AI in the game. :rolleyes:

[Mochan]

<I>Uncharted is a squad based game? LOL! That's news to me. Yo'u're criticizing the game for something it's not just to make your flawed point.</i>

Yes, just like Call of Duty 4 is a squad-based tactical shooter and all that crap.

I don't mind you appreciating whatever you want to appreciate TMG, but don't paint the facts wrong.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Coming from a guy who criticized the entire PS2 library. :rolleyes:

Uncharted is a squad based game? LOL! That's news to me. Yo'u're criticizing the game for something it's not just to make your flawed point. The really funny thing is this "Best Game Evar" thread wouldn't even exist if ME came to the PS3 at the same time.

And wtf are you talking about rocket lauchers and good programming? I never even made 1 post about COD4.

My Quote <b>"Is COD4 better than both games, probably so, but i'm harder on COD4 because this is my favorite genre and subgenre, military shooters, and as a military shooter the only bar COD4 pushed was graphics, and even in many ways GRAWS graphics were far superior, especially with vehicles. COD4 is a FPS squad based tactical game, when I judge it as such, it just blows! </b>

I don't know where you got confused and thought I meant Uncharted was a squad based game. What I meant was COD4, despite its flaws, is probably the better game of the three, but since it is a FPS, and since it is a military squad based shooter, I judge it by a higher standard. I don't compare Uncharted to GRAW, I don't compare K&L to Brothers In Arms.

COD4 has to be compared to those kinds of games and imo aside from graphics those games kick tha sh*t out of COD4.

As for everything else the rest of you guys are saying, "everybody disagrees with me so I am wrong." That's a stupid notion, group think! Group think doesn't disprove fact. I've played all three games and all the points I brought up are fact. You don't have to agree with me for me to be right.

Oh and sorry about lumping you in with the others, happens sometimes.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

TMG is and has been an idiot for the longest time. That fact isn't going to change.

Brief expert from a gamezone review commenting on the AI and basically confirming what I've said.



Let's see if masked moron, can pull out reviews praising the exemplary AI in the game. :rolleyes:

Yeah and u been smokin schlong for the longest time.

Here are the facts, which you have consistently ignored. Why won't you reply to the issues I bring up, why won't any of you reply to the issues I bring up. If any of you chumps have the balls, then reply to the following:

1. Your teammates in COD4 cannot die. They get shot and bombed to hell, but they cannot die. Therefore, the gamer overlooks how bad their AI is, nevertheless it is still bad and this is lazy programming.

2. In Uncharted Laura can't die either.

3. In COD4 the enemy AI exhibit no form of intelligence, they just run in the open or at you in waves after wave of respawns. In K&L and Uncharted, the enemy AI do take cover and show some semblance of intelligence. The enemy AI in K&L is a lot more prone to take cover and not expose themselves than in Uncharted, but this COULD have been due to the fact I played K&L on the hardest mode and not Uncharted, THOUGH I'M NOT SO SURE. Still, the enemies in K&L and Uncharted are much smarter than COD4.

4. You cannot issue orders in COD4 or Uncharted. You can in K&L. Not only that, you can actually control what gun your teammates use and carry. You can get ammo from your teammate if you are low. Even if the AI situation was even in all three games, this fact alone favors K&L because if you don't like the way the AI is behaving, you can order them to certain positions!

5. You control way more soldiers more often in K&L than the other two games. In just about all of K&L you control at least one guy, in most of the game you control at least 4 guys, at some points in the game you control I think over 20 guys. This is much more of a programming hurdle than in Uncharted and COD4.

6. COD4 is a military FPS! It calls itself the most advance modern shooter. Yet you don't have any control of your squad, you don't have any control of your weapons, you can't even select rates of fire. The other two aren't even FPS nor military shooters and they offer more options than COD4. Yet COD4 gets praised in reviews.

As for you and your expert reviewer Whacko, he must not be much of an expert if he can't figure out K&L. I beat the game one time through with NO problems on the hardest mode within a week because I rented the game. I didn't have the problems he had, because I intelligently used my ability to command my squads to beat the game. Perhaps he should stick to COD4 where he doesn't have to command his squad and they don't die. But i'm not giving COD4 props for lazy programming, if R6 or GRAW or BIA had squad members that were indestructible they wouldn't be the same and they'd take dings, because IW stepped outside their area of expertise, they get praised for being lazy.

Oh and who was the idiot who said i'd hate M.E. if it was on PS3. Guess that's why I hate K&L, guess that's why I liked Uncharted. Guess I'll hate M.E. if EA puts in on the PS3.

Personally, I enjoyed K&L a little better than Uncharted and lot more than COD4. I think COD4, objectively, probably the best game of the three, but I enjoyed K&L more because I liked the plot, the subject matter, and I felt Uncharted was too easy(again my fault) and really ended not just badly horribly, I really hated that button mashing context sensitive ending. So I enjoyed K&L more.

But I have to be hardest on COD4 because it is supposed to be a top knotch FPS, technically FPS are supposed to be the best games on the market, with the best features, best shooting ballistics and physics, best AI, etc. Compared to other games in its genre and even if u compare to these two games, COD4 imo falls flat on its face. Face it, you guys love the superficial graphics and I guess the press did too. I don't care, I know what the game is lacking, those are facts, and other games in its genre crap all over COD4.

[theWacoKid]

Blah, blah, blah, puke, vomit.

Translation, you couldn't find any reviewer to back up you and your retarded claims. Gee, who woulda thought?

[T.Tashi]

Oh and sorry about lumping you in with the others, happens sometimes.

No worries.

But your critique of Uncharted (her name is Elena but the way) is really unwarranted. I like the fact that I don't have to issue her commands. Her AI is good enough all on its own and her presence still lends itself to strategic elements. The fact that she can't die doesn't effect the gameplay. I like that she draws fire from the enemy and I can move and flank them. My only complaint is the firefights with her were far and few between.

I also like the lack of boss fights. The whole presentation went a lot smoother without them, though I agree the last fight was rather anti-climatic gameplay wise and storywise.

[theWacoKid]

Compared to other games in its genre and even if u compare to these two games, COD4 imo falls flat on its face. Face it, you guys love the superficial graphics and I guess the press did too. I don't care, I know what the game is lacking, those are facts, and other games in its genre crap all over COD4.

What a hypocritical douche, a game with the kind of rating COD4 has, 94%, better than Halo 3's 93% falls flat on its face, yet you tell us what we think on Halo doesn't matter. Only, you the masked monkey knows better what games are lacking, and those are facts, not opinion. STFU and crawl back into your stupid hole and stop wasting people's time.

Bioshock is 85%, no, wait, its 90%, no, wait, its 93%. Hey, I've got a novel idea, when you talk about a game, try finishing it first dumbazz, before slapping a rating on it, and then you wouldn't sound so much like a gibbering baboon.

[Glockstar]

Bioshock is 85%, no, wait, its 90%, no, wait, its 93%. Hey, I've got a novel idea, when you talk about a game, try finishing it first dumbazz, before slapping a rating on it, and then you wouldn't sound so much like a gibbering baboon.

You have no idea what the frack you're talking about do you?

[theWacoKid]

You have no idea what the frack you're talking about do you?

I do, you don't. All you are is this pathetic little lap dog who follows big dog around and licks his hole, I have even less respect for you than I do him. Your ignorant opinions aren't even your own.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

No worries.

But your critique of Uncharted (her name is Elena but the way) is really unwarranted. I like the fact that I don't have to issue her commands. Her AI is good enough all on its own and her presence still lends itself to strategic elements. The fact that she can't die doesn't effect the gameplay. I like that she draws fire from the enemy and I can move and flank them. My only complaint is the firefights with her were far and few between.

I also like the lack of boss fights. The whole presentation went a lot smoother without them, though I agree the last fight was rather anti-climatic gameplay wise and storywise.

My point about Elena not being able to die and your team in COD4 being bulletproof is that it is an easier or lazier manner of programming. And of course it is less of a burden on the player, he/she doesn't have to worry about keeping them alive. Nevertheless it is still lazy programming and leads to odd scenes where your squad is getting bombed and shot to pieces but get right back up. So I don't see how reviewers could say K&L's AI is bad, while praising either Uncharted or COD4's AI. K&L's AI is unscripted but yet able to avoid fire, take cover, and take down bad guys, that's better AI in my book, especially when there is like 4 to 16 of them. And I agree there weren't enough parts with Elena or the old guy.

These and other reasons are why i'm saying K&L in many areas was better than Uncharted and COD4, and why I can see Eidos being upset about unfair reviews. To me though it just seems that because K&L graphically was a mess, it didn't get the benefit of the doubt. Whereas graphically the other two shined and their flaws, which were the same or worse were kinda brushed aside.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

What a hypocritical douche, a game with the kind of rating COD4 has, 94%, better than Halo 3's 93% falls flat on its face, yet you tell us what we think on Halo doesn't matter. Only, you the masked monkey knows better what games are lacking, and those are facts, not opinion. STFU and crawl back into your stupid hole and stop wasting people's time.

Bioshock is 85%, no, wait, its 90%, no, wait, its 93%. Hey, I've got a novel idea, when you talk about a game, try finishing it first dumbazz, before slapping a rating on it, and then you wouldn't sound so much like a gibbering baboon.

This is why it is a waste of time replying to you. I raise factual issues and you don't want to respond. But don't worry, i already know that you can't respond. The only response is you, like the media, overlooked the flaws in COD4 and Uncharted, probably because you were smitten by the graphics and fell for flash over substance. So do me a favor and before wasting my time, next time don't make a post unless you are ready to try and defend it.

Kckin' your bony arse has once again been a pleasure. I see the rest of your monkey brigade couldn't respond either. Its okay, just admit, you guys like like shallow graphical show pieces.

[Mochan]

These and other reasons are why i'm saying K&L in many areas was better than Uncharted and COD4, and why I can see Eidos being upset about unfair reviews. To me though it just seems that because K&L graphically was a mess, it didn't get the benefit of the doubt. Whereas graphically the other two shined and their flaws, which were the same or worse were kinda brushed aside.

Jericho's graphics though were very good, but it still got crapped on in the reviews. Who knows what these game journalists think.

[thelastword]

Jericho's graphics though were very good, but it still got crapped on in the reviews. Who knows what these game journalists think.Dude, Jericho's graphics were good, I liked the crisp look of it, very sharp, showing great detail. K&L on the other hand looks like abolute vomit, bland and blander greys with aliasing that could toss more gibs than the severing chainsaw in Gears. This is not a case where the graphics are good and the reviewers knocked it because of gameplay. I think that happened to Lair to some degree, as we all know Lair is a good looking game and quite impressive technically.


In any case, K&L is on the PC, hell it's even on steam, as I recall seeing it available when I purchased the OB. You can check the demo of it, there is one available for the PC at around 600mb, of course you can go for the full game if you really want to get the skinny, but I'm thinking the demo will tell you all you need to know.

[theWacoKid]

This is why it is a waste of time replying to you. I raise factual issues and you don't want to respond. But don't worry, i already know that you can't respond. The only response is you, like the media, overlooked the flaws in COD4 and Uncharted, probably because you were smitten by the graphics and fell for flash over substance. So do me a favor and before wasting my time, next time don't make a post unless you are ready to try and defend it.

Kckin' your bony arse has once again been a pleasure. I see the rest of your monkey brigade couldn't respond either. Its okay, just admit, you guys like like shallow graphical show pieces.

Hey, jackass, don't ever bring up a ratings score on a game, ever, I mean, not ever, because you've just admitted, moron, that what the media thinks, what reviewers thinks, doesn't matter. Remember that, assclown. Because if you don't, I'll remember it for you.

1. Only your teammates involved in the narrative can't die, just like your teammates in GOW couldn't die. You didn't have any problem with the bad and lazy programming there, you hypocritical douche. In kane and lynch, your teammates get incapicitated, and if you don't revive them, you have to start over, which, to be blunt, I find annoying as hell.

And what any of this has to do whether the AI is good or not is beyond me. You're an idiot.

2. Its elena, not laura, moron, and this is the same as point 1.

3. In COD4, I remember the AI shooting out from houses, from rooftops, I remembered getting flanked and surrounded in the last part of the sniper mission and in other areas. So WTF you're talking about, I don't know, you're an idiot.

4. Good luck getting your teammates into the positions you want them in, they usually respond, coming, and then don't. Those boneheads can't hit jack and are constantly trying to shoehorn into a cover spot you already have. Elena doens't fight you over a cover spot, Elena is way effin brighter than the K&L boys combined.

5. Absolute nonsense, you know jack about programming and you control 20 guys? You must be on drugs. What control do you have? Get real.

6. Earth to moron, COD4 is NOT GRAW. Get it through that massively thick skull of yours.

You don't raise facts, you just raise a breeze. Slamming COD4 for not being GRAW is something that we already beat to death, you idiot. What does issuing a couple of squad commands to cpu teammates have anything to do with the overall AI in a game. All the AI in COD4 is run out in the open and get killed. Yeah, sure, that's why you were crawling on your belly to make it from checkpoint to checkpoint. ROFLMAO!!! What a maroon!

You're pathetic, none of you guys are brave enough to rebut my so called facts. A lot of puffing your chest out like the scared little weasel you are,. You're like that snot nosed kid, that after he's been confronted and backed down, yells at people walking away, that's good, keep walking, I would've kicked your ass.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Don't break your keyboard.

[T.Tashi]

My point about Elena not being able to die and your team in COD4 being bulletproof is that it is an easier or lazier manner of programming. And of course it is less of a burden on the player, he/she doesn't have to worry about keeping them alive. Nevertheless it is still lazy programming and leads to odd scenes where your squad is getting bombed and shot to pieces but get right back up. So I don't see how reviewers could say K&L's AI is bad, while praising either Uncharted or COD4's AI. K&L's AI is unscripted but yet able to avoid fire, take cover, and take down bad guys, that's better AI in my book, especially when there is like 4 to 16 of them. And I agree there weren't enough parts with Elena or the old guy.

These and other reasons are why i'm saying K&L in many areas was better than Uncharted and COD4, and why I can see Eidos being upset about unfair reviews. To me though it just seems that because K&L graphically was a mess, it didn't get the benefit of the doubt. Whereas graphically the other two shined and their flaws, which were the same or worse were kinda brushed aside.

Hmmm I don't know about that. I mean if your teammates can die... and those deaths are dependent on the gameplay... (this is assuming the game continues when a character dies instead of starting over) isn't it the gamer's fault for not keeping them alive?

Unscripted AI? Where did you get that? In the programming world there's no such thing. That would basically mean your characters are sentient. You're giving the game wayyy too much credit.

[NEO-360]

Hey, jackass, don't ever bring up a ratings score on a game, ever, I mean, not ever, because you've just admitted, moron, that what the media thinks, what reviewers thinks, doesn't matter. Remember that, assclown. Because if you don't, I'll remember it for you.

1. Only your teammates involved in the narrative can't die, just like your teammates in GOW couldn't die. You didn't have any problem with the bad and lazy programming there, you hypocritical douche. In kane and lynch, your teammates get incapicitated, and if you don't revive them, you have to start over, which, to be blunt, I find annoying as hell.

And what any of this has to do whether the AI is good or not is beyond me. You're an idiot.

2. Its elena, not laura, moron, and this is the same as point 1.

3. In COD4, I remember the AI shooting out from houses, from rooftops, I remembered getting flanked and surrounded in the last part of the sniper mission and in other areas. So WTF you're talking about, I don't know, you're an idiot.

4. Good luck getting your teammates into the positions you want them in, they usually respond, coming, and then don't. Those boneheads can't hit jack and are constantly trying to shoehorn into a cover spot you already have. Elena doens't fight you over a cover spot, Elena is way effin brighter than the K&L boys combined.

5. Absolute nonsense, you know jack about programming and you control 20 guys? You must be on drugs. What control do you have? Get real.

6. Earth to moron, COD4 is NOT GRAW. Get it through that massively thick skull of yours.

You don't raise facts, you just raise a breeze. Slamming COD4 for not being GRAW is something that we already beat to death, you idiot. What does issuing a couple of squad commands to cpu teammates have anything to do with the overall AI in a game. All the AI in COD4 is run out in the open and get killed. Yeah, sure, that's why you were crawling on your belly to make it from checkpoint to checkpoint. ROFLMAO!!! What a maroon!

You're pathetic, none of you guys are brave enough to rebut my so called facts. A lot of puffing your chest out like the scared little weasel you are,. You're like that snot nosed kid, that after he's been confronted and backed down, yells at people walking away, that's good, keep walking, I would've kicked your ass.

If you got Daddy issues heres your Daddy's tissue.:p

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Hey, jackass, don't ever bring up a ratings score on a game, ever, I mean, not ever, because you've just admitted, moron, that what the media thinks, what reviewers thinks, doesn't matter. Remember that, assclown. Because if you don't, I'll remember it for you. You are the jackass. My opinion may or may not agree with the reviewers. I'm still going to express it. If a game like COD4 reviews well, objectively, that's great for the publisher for the developer and certainly COD4 has done well due to the reviews.
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1. Only your teammates involved in the narrative can't die, just like your teammates in GOW couldn't die. You didn't have any problem with the bad and lazy programming there, you hypocritical douche. In kane and lynch, your teammates get incapicitated, and if you don't revive them, you have to start over, which, to be blunt, I find annoying as hell.</b>Wrong as usual, your teammates in GOW could bleed out and die. Sure Dom was useless in GOW, which made it all the better that you could play GOW co-op online. Something you can't do in COD4, u are stuck with crappy AI teammates.

You don't like starting over if your teammate dies, then you are a lazy arse gamer. How did you survive the coin-op days? Well, don't worry, a bunch of gamers agree with you. So i'm sure IW will do it again, and i'm sure other developers will follow suit. So we can look forward to having indestructible teammates who can't hit the lottery with a winning ticket.

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And what any of this has to do whether the AI is good or not is beyond me. You're an idiot.
</b> You are the idiot if u can't see what this has to do with the AI and programming. You can't see how easy it is for a developer to say, hey we will just make the squad indestructible as opposed to programming routines that would make them behave somewhat like a real soldier trying to kill the enemy and keep himself alive.
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2. Its elena, not laura, moron, and this is the same as point 1. </b> Who cares?

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3. In COD4, I remember the AI shooting out from houses, from rooftops, I remembered getting flanked and surrounded in the last part of the sniper mission and in other areas. So WTF you're talking about, I don't know, you're an idiot.</b>The question is wtf are you talking about? Of course the enemy flanked you they just ran at you from all possible ways like ants.

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4. Good luck getting your teammates into the positions you want them in, they usually respond, coming, and then don't. Those boneheads can't hit jack and are constantly trying to shoehorn into a cover spot you already have. Elena doens't fight you over a cover spot, Elena is way effin brighter than the K&L boys combined. </b>Good luck? Umm I finished the game on the hardest setting, no problems. If you take the lead and put your guys in supporting positions, they perform just fine. And the only game in which your squad took your cover positions was COD4 lol, I see you have no problem about spouting flat out lies.:rolleyes:

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5. Absolute nonsense, you know jack about programming and you control 20 guys? You must be on drugs. What control do you have? Get real.</b> We already know you didn't play the game, you just hate it because I liked it. When you play the game, then let us know what you really think about it.

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6. Earth to moron, COD4 is NOT GRAW. Get it through that massively thick skull of yours.

You don't raise facts, you just raise a breeze. Slamming COD4 for not being GRAW is something that we already beat to death, you idiot. What does issuing a couple of squad commands to cpu teammates have anything to do with the overall AI in a game. All the AI in COD4 is run out in the open and get killed. Yeah, sure, that's why you were crawling on your belly to make it from checkpoint to checkpoint. ROFLMAO!!! What a maroon! </b> COD4 isn't GRAW, it is Close Combat, it isn't FSW, it isn't R6, it isn't BIA, it isn't even as good as COD2! I can slam COD4 because of their marketing. If GT5 advertises itself as the true racing simulator, but has horrid AI, horrid physics, plays like an arcade racer, has no damage effects, etc., i don't care how pretty it is, or what it is rated, as a sim racer i'll have a negative opinion about it. COD4 for a good year was pimped as a state of the art "Modern Warfare" shooter. It was nothing close to that. Just like when Fable pimped and hyped itself and fell flat on its face, and got called out. There is nothing Modern Warfare about COD4, it is just a silly arcade shooter, more akin to Virtua Cop or some light gun game than to a good military shooter.

Like I said many times, COD4 lacks most of the features we have grown accustomed to from games in this genre. If it was marketed as just another COD game, i'd have less of an issue with it. On top of that, if the AI wasn't so darn horrid i'd have less of an issue, if the game was longer than 6 or 7 hours on VET mode, i'd have less of an issue. As it stands COD4 is a great simple arcade shooter, but a great FPS or a great military sim, not even close. It lacks all the features common in even your average shooter. It looks good though and I guess that's all most people care about now.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Hmmm I don't know about that. I mean if your teammates can die... and those deaths are dependent on the gameplay... (this is assuming the game continues when a character dies instead of starting over) isn't it the gamer's fault for not keeping them alive? LOL...you guys act as though you've never heard of games where your teammate can die. PS2 was even more backward than I thought.

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Unscripted AI? Where did you get that? In the programming world there's no such thing. That would basically mean your characters are sentient. You're giving the game wayyy too much credit.</b>Har har...cute. You can call it Cathy and it still all adds up to a bad game experience.

[T.Tashi]

LOL...you guys act as though you've never heard of games where your teammate can die. PS2 was even more backward than I thought.

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Unscripted AI? Where did you get that? In the programming world there's no such thing. That would basically mean your characters are sentient. You're giving the game wayyy too much credit.</b>Har har...cute. You can call it Cathy and it still all adds up to a bad game experience.

Ok, I think we're done. :rolleyes: