And the Winner is................MS

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Latest Xbox 360, Halo 3 Sales Figures Are Astounding

Microsoft announced today that it has sold more than 17.7 million Xbox 360 consoles worldwide to date. Furthermore, the software giant announced that it has sold more than 8.1 million copies of Halo 3 since its launch September 25, 2007 while Mass Effect reached 1.6 million units sold, in just six weeks since it went on sale November 20, 2007!


http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/15391/...re-Astounding/

8.1M's for Halo 3 hot damn. Wii can sell whatever but these number are ridiculous I doubt if the Wii holiday line up total sold that much I'd be surprised if the PS3 has sold that many games in it's lifetime!

Gamers has decided and they have chosen the 360 now imagine all the would be Halo 3 fans who 360's were RROD'd at the time :eek:

[folken001]

of course. With morons like you in US, how can M$ lose? I dare Sony to sell me a product that has a significant failing rate like 360. because then it's playstation bye bye for me.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

of course. With morons like you in US, how can M$ lose? I dare Sony to sell me a product that has a significant failing rate like 360. because then it's playstation bye bye for me.

My 360 ran flawlessly when it did crap out I bought a PS3.

I don't really care about grammar on a message board but honestly before you call someone a moron at least proof read your post, kay? Bye.

[T.Tashi]

My 360 ran flawlessly when it did crap out I bought a PS3.

I don't really care about grammar on a message board but honestly before you call someone a moron at least proof read your post, kay? Bye.

You sure you wanna criticize Folken's grammer? :p

[Zilla Man]

Latest Xbox 360, Halo 3 Sales Figures Are Astounding

Microsoft announced today that it has sold more than 17.7 million Xbox 360 consoles worldwide to date. Furthermore, the software giant announced that it has sold more than 8.1 million copies of Halo 3 since its launch September 25, 2007 while Mass Effect reached 1.6 million units sold, in just six weeks since it went on sale November 20, 2007!


http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/15391/...re-Astounding/

8.1M's for Halo 3 hot damn. Wii can sell whatever but these number are ridiculous I doubt if the Wii holiday line up total sold that much I'd be surprised if the PS3 has sold that many games in it's lifetime!

Gamers has decided and they have chosen the 360 now imagine all the would be Halo 3 fans who 360's were RROD'd at the time :eek:

In regards to the 17.7 million sold --- that's 360 units sold to retailers, NOT to consumers. And at least 33% of those are replacements for defective units. Wait until the next NPD report comes out and you'll see. Until you hear these kind of numbers from them, you've got to read between the lines.

The main reason MS is skewering the numbers by trying to claim they sold more units than the Wii. Because the big N hasn't been able to get higher numbers due to the shortage/demand problem, they can't claim a higher number; despite the fact that the Wii moved more units during the last quarter of 2007.

It's no wonder they're trying to brag. MS knows that the last part of 2007 will most likely be the peak of their 360 sales (due to Halo 3, Biosock, and Mass Effect); just like the last quarter of 2004 the Xbox peaked with Halo 2. There are no exclusive system movers out on the 2008 horizon. GTA IV won't boost 360 sales anymore than San Andreas boosted Xbox sales when it was released in 2005.

And as far as "Gamers having chosen", you forget the following:

-- the PS3 is still selling more units than the 360 did at this point in its lifecycle. And remember, the PS3 has not even been out even a full year in the territory where it's selling the fastest (Europe).

-- they're still not making a profit on the 360 despite Holiday sales. If they were they definitely would have announced that as well.

-- Blu-Ray continues to outsell HD-DVD 2 to 1. HD-DVD is going to be all but dead by mid 2008.

Like I said, I've no doubt MS did well over the last qaurter of 2007. But if you wait for the NPD reports (calling Slade!) I'm sure you'll see how they've "misinterpreted" the numbers.

[NEO-360]

of course. With morons like you in US, how can M$ lose? I dare Sony to sell me a product that has a significant failing rate like 360. because then it's playstation bye bye for me.

How can you lable people that support the 360 as morons? Think about it. Nothing on the PS3's roster for 2007 sold as well as anything that was on the 360. Multiplatform titles? Numbers wasnt even close between the two. Some of those so-called heavy hitters like Lair, Heavenly Sword,and Drake sold like ass on the PS3. To make things worse none of those didnt even touch the sale numbers of games like Halo 3, Bioshock, or Mass Effect.

Face it Folken the truth has been told:The 360 IS simply the better videogame console. The PS3 can do everything BUT sell alot of software. And look for this year to be no different. MGS 4? Thats about the only thing on the PS3's roster thats going to sell in the millions. Everything else? We'll see. The Wii will continue to sell like hotcakes. The 360 will continue to impress. The PS3 will continue to be the laughing stock of the videogame world. Plain and simple.:p

[NEO-360]

In regards to the 17.7 million sold --- that's 360 units sold to retailers, NOT to consumers. And at least 33% of those are replacements for defective units. Wait until the next NPD report comes out and you'll see. Until you hear these kind of numbers from them, you've got to read between the lines.

The main reason MS is skewering the numbers by trying to claim they sold more units than the Wii. Because the big N hasn't been able to get higher numbers due to the shortage/demand problem, they can't claim a higher number; despite the fact that the Wii moved more units during the last quarter of 2007.

It's no wonder they're trying to brag. MS knows that the last part of 2007 will most likely be the peak of their 360 sales (due to Halo 3, Biosock, and Mass Effect); just like the last quarter of 2004 the Xbox peaked with Halo 2. There are no exclusive system movers out on the 2008 horizon. GTA IV won't boost 360 sales anymore than San Andreas boosted Xbox sales when it was released in 2005.

And as far as "Gamers having chosen", you forget the following:

-- the PS3 is still selling more units than the 360 did at this point in its lifecycle. And remember, the PS3 has not even been out even a full year in the territory where it's selling the fastest (Europe).

-- they're still not making a profit on the 360 despite Holiday sales. If they were they definitely would have announced that as well.

-- Blu-Ray continues to outsell HD-DVD 2 to 1. HD-DVD is going to be all but dead by mid 2008.

Like I said, I've no doubt MS did well over the last qaurter of 2007. But if you wait for the NPD reports (calling Slade!) I'm sure you'll see how they've "misinterpreted" the numbers.

The bottom line is that the Xbox 360 outsells the PS3 in terms of software from 1st party titles to multiplatform titles. Care to talk about that? Or is this the part you dodge the question and run like hell? :D

[Zilla Man]

The bottom line is that the Xbox 360 outsells the PS3 in terms of software from 1st party titles to multiplatform titles. Care to talk about that? Or is this the part you dodge the question and run like hell? :D

No, NEO, this is the part where I prove that you have no idea as to what the hell you're talking about.

What PS3 software do you want me to talk about?

Do you want me to talk about MotorStorm, the PS3 title that sold 3.1million copies in its first year?

Or do you want me to talk about Resistance whch is just under 2 million and climbing?

As for 360 having greater software sales overall, duh, it's been out a whole year longer than the PS3. But please show me the proof (links) that show that 360 has better software sales proportionately (attach rate) than the 360.

I'm betting that you can't.

[NEO-360]

No, NEO, this is the part where I prove that you have no idea as to what the hell you're talking about.

What PS3 software do you want me to talk about?

Do you want me to talk about MotorStorm, the PS3 title that sold 3.1million copies in its first year?

Or do you want me to talk about Resistance whch is just under 2 million and climbing?

As for 360 having greater software sales overall, duh, it's been out a whole year longer than the PS3. But please show me the proof (links) that show that 360 has better software sales proportionately (attach rate) than the 360.

I'm betting that you can't. Motorstorm? Who still talks about that game? Nobody. Resistance? 2 million and climbing huh? Well it stil has to catch up to Gears Of War and Bioshock. Basically Resistance was in fact a dud even if in fact it sold under 2 million. That was well over a year ago. Whats funny about that is Halo 3 did better than that in less time. Show you that the 360 has better software sales than the PS3 proportionately? Nice extra word to slide in there Zilla. You show yours and I'll show mine. Btw, isnt Venom kinda old?:idea:

[folken001]

My 360 ran flawlessly when it did crap out I bought a PS3.

I don't really care about grammar on a message board but honestly before you call someone a moron at least proof read your post, kay? Bye.
wah wah wah. Keep on whining.

[folken001]

No, NEO, this is the part where I prove that you have no idea as to what the hell you're talking about.

What PS3 software do you want me to talk about?

Do you want me to talk about MotorStorm, the PS3 title that sold 3.1million copies in its first year?

Or do you want me to talk about Resistance whch is just under 2 million and climbing?

As for 360 having greater software sales overall, duh, it's been out a whole year longer than the PS3. But please show me the proof (links) that show that 360 has better software sales proportionately (attach rate) than the 360.

I'm betting that you can't.
Don't you find it tiring in reminding a retard that he doesn't know what he's talking about over and over?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Any time any manufacturer reports numbers sold it's always to retailers jerky. Get the eff out of here with that nonsense. Sold to retailers is sold. And unlike last year they aren't stuffing supply chains. Over the holidays 360's were sold out. The NPD is decent but it's by no means the end all and be all it's a estimation buddy.

Second your 33% has never been proven. Sure I'm not blind to see that replacement units do account for some sales. But how many really? Look at the attachment rate to the consoles unless everybody is going out and buying second games with there replacement 360's.

Halo 3 8.1 Million sold that's my only reply to all the Halo hate from now on. Oh and Zilla the Motorstorm numbers are Bogus it's a Fvcking Pack in games so you know damn well the sales for that game are artifically inflated.

As far as the PS3 outselling the 360 at this point in time where does that come from???? Anyway even it is true the 360 has continued to dominate the PS3 since it's launched. And it's outselling it worldwide. It may not be outselling it in every terriorty it's not in Japan. Europe is unknown even though milkdrinkers love making up European stats fact is total number of consoles sold world wide on a month to month basis favors the 360.

As far as system sellers next year gedthafuggouddahere you don't know shiz. MS has launched how many million selling franchises this gen. We'll see what's next and if Gears 2 is announced as expected that's going to be another driver. GTA4 will do more for the 360 than anywhere else just like every single major multiplat game released this gen. Give it up you're reaching buddy.

[Gamer From '78]

In regards to the 17.7 million sold --- that's 360 units sold to retailers, NOT to consumers. And at least 33% of those are replacements for defective units. Wait until the next NPD report comes out and you'll see. Until you hear these kind of numbers from them, you've got to read between the lines.

The main reason MS is skewering the numbers by trying to claim they sold more units than the Wii. Because the big N hasn't been able to get higher numbers due to the shortage/demand problem, they can't claim a higher number; despite the fact that the Wii moved more units during the last quarter of 2007.

It's no wonder they're trying to brag. MS knows that the last part of 2007 will most likely be the peak of their 360 sales (due to Halo 3, Biosock, and Mass Effect); just like the last quarter of 2004 the Xbox peaked with Halo 2. There are no exclusive system movers out on the 2008 horizon. GTA IV won't boost 360 sales anymore than San Andreas boosted Xbox sales when it was released in 2005.

And as far as "Gamers having chosen", you forget the following:

-- the PS3 is still selling more units than the 360 did at this point in its lifecycle. And remember, the PS3 has not even been out even a full year in the territory where it's selling the fastest (Europe).

-- they're still not making a profit on the 360 despite Holiday sales. If they were they definitely would have announced that as well.

-- Blu-Ray continues to outsell HD-DVD 2 to 1. HD-DVD is going to be all but dead by mid 2008.

Like I said, I've no doubt MS did well over the last qaurter of 2007. But if you wait for the NPD reports (calling Slade!) I'm sure you'll see how they've "misinterpreted" the numbers.

1st, where do you get "at least 33% of those are replacement" nonsense? Any proof to that? Most replacement units are directly replaced through Microsoft, NOT retailers. This is nonsense. In addition, last year saw stacks of Xbox 360's available in stores which I took advantage of to purchase mine. This year, the 360 was slim-pickings. Not impossible to find like the Wii, but in short supply while PS3's were readily available.

The last part of 2007 will be 360's peak numbers? How so? No exclusive system movers in 2008? How do you know-you have a crystal ball? You have your finger on the pulse of the game-buying world? Here is why 360 will continue to sell extremely well in '08.

1) Jade Empire 2 has just been announced and Mass Effect 2 is on the way as well. If current word on the street is to be believed, both will be published by Microsoft to retain as exclusives.

2) Ninja Gaiden 2 will sell very well.

3) Gears of War 2 will be the big holiday push and again, an exclusive. The "down-the-road" PC port won't effect or change the millions that this game will sell.

4) Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5 and Grand Theft Auto IV with their simultaneous release across both platforms will further cement in consumers conscious that they don't need a PS3 to play these games from day one.

5) Halo Wars will be the break-out RTS for consoles.

6) Infinite Undiscovery (exclusive) and Last Remnant along with the already released Project Sylpheed and Final Fantasy XI games from Square-Enix further show consumers that the PS3 isn't the only place that they can get Square games.

7) More exclusives like Lost Odyssey, Too Human, Banjo-Threeie, Perfect Dark 2 and Bioshock 2 will continue to draw fans to the 360 brand.

8) The lower price-point of the 360 will continue to push sales.

And last but not least, this whole Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD nonsense is completely irrelevant to the console wars. I and most consumers for that matter-couldn't give two $h!ts less about the "next gen format war." The high-def market is niche right now and will be for some time to come.

Anyone NOT watching on a 1080p television and running at the more common 720p will see little to NO difference, much as I have with my current set. Recent movies I have eschewed the "high-def" format for standard DVD purchases includes Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Blade Runner, Spider-Man 3, Pirates of the Caribbean-World's End, Resident Evil Extinction and 28 Weeks Later. Not only are these films a full $10 cheaper on average then their high-def counterparts, I don't see enough of a difference to warrant the price. And apparently, neither does the world at large or their wallets.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Software makes the $$...too bad I don't see another 360 title doing this...Halo Wars maybe...since it has the H word in it

FFXIII may make similar sales worldwide but I doubt it, MGS4 won't, GTA...yea, GTA 4 will outsell every thing.

[Gadfly2317]

Recent movies I have eschewed the "high-def" format for standard DVD purchases includes Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Blade Runner, Spider-Man 3, Pirates of the Caribbean-World's End, Resident Evil Extinction and 28 Weeks Later. Not only are these films a full $10 cheaper on average then their high-def counterparts, I don't see enough of a difference to warrant the price. And apparently, neither does the world at large or their wallets.

I can't imagine buying the movies you listed, now, in standard def. Why did you waste your money buying a hi-def TV? The whole spider-man trilogy (in Blu-Ray) was only $29 (not each, $29 for the WHOLE trilogy.) And it looks beautiful.

Since there is zero doubt you'll own a Blu-Ray player in the form a Ps3 within the next 12 months, it seems like a shame to buy the old fashioned lo-def versions of films that are visual feasts like these.

As far as Microsoft "winning" it still feels like a "consumers lose" right now because of the utterly crappy massive-failure-rate hardware.

Ps3 is better hardware and a better value; sure, it's not equal in software yet, but I can't imagine why a gamer would prefer to see the crappier, less-featured hardware become the dominant system. Why would anyone want crap to dominate? In an ideal world, who wouldn't rather see those titles you like on 360 be available on better hardware?

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Honestly, I don't think the Spider-Man movies are worth owning, either in regular DVD or Blu-Ray format.

I can still buy the regular DVD versions of movies, especially when there's a $20 dollar difference per movie. If it's something that I really want in Blu Ray, then I'll wait for it to go on sale. Also, the 360 will bump up regular DVDs to 480p. I'm guessing the PS3 will do the same, but I haven't tried it as of yet.

[slade]

Also, the 360 will bump up regular DVDs to 480p. I'm guessing the PS3 will do the same, but I haven't tried it as of yet.

Both of them can upscale DVD's to 720p/1080i although reportedly the PS3 does this a lot better.

[Glockstar]

Xbox is better hardware and a better value; sure, it's not equal in software yet, but I can't imagine why a gamer would prefer to see the crappier, less-featured hardware become the dominant system. Why would anyone want crap to dominate? In an ideal world, who wouldn't rather see those titles you like on PS2 be available on better hardware?

^---- The post Gadfly never submitted. (Don't worry, I got his back. :thumbsup: )

What happened Gad? Let me guess: Your Submit Reply button was glitchy back then and would only work some of the time. Yeah? :rolleyes:

[Cuddly Knife]

Well, the PS2 wasn't crap, but it was the weakest of the big three, so I guess the comment stands. Really, the comment should be used with the GCN, because they didn't have the hdd, they didn't have barely one or two games online, and they used the mini disks.

[slade]

Didn't Gadfly buy an Xbox before he bought a PS2? Shows that he supported that comment last gen too. It's the Xbots like TMG, Drunken and Glock who prove they're hypocrites. They went ga ga over technology in the Xbox but were content to keep sucking at MS's proverbial teat even though the original Xbox was abandoned prematurely.

That's kinda ironic in its own way because over on the old boards, TMG used to continually spam the argument that Sony would abandon the PS2 for the PS3 fairly soon because they feared the tech in the Xbox.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I never chose the Xbox because of the Tech. Sure I may have bought it up in System wars debated. Fact is both console have distinctive identities Software wise. I prefered the Xbox's line up. Bottom line From day one the Xbox had games the PS2 never touched and not just technically but for the gameplay I wanted.
Hell all the reasons I prefferred the Xbox still apply to the 360

I prefer the more western style games. Check.
Better online interface and features. Check
Better Multiplats. Check
Better exlusives. Check
Custom Sountracks. Check
Better Controller. Check

Now some of these are subjective of course but it's too my taste and some of this can change in the future but as of today this is how it stands. Basically the only real advantage to date I see with the PS3 is the Blu Ray drive. Which I enjoy for the movies. Obiviously it's better for games but I really haven't seen that bare out yet. Except maybe with Blue Dragon which is on multiple disk a game I haven't and probably never will play more than the demo.

Oops there is one aspect in which the PS3 has beat out the 360 that the Xbox had a clear advantage last gen. And that's sound. Damn HS and Uncharted thump in set up.

[Glockstar]

It's the Xbots like TMG, Drunken and Glock who prove they're hypocrites. They went ga ga over technology in the Xbox but were content to keep sucking at MS's proverbial teat even though the original Xbox was abandoned prematurely.

Methinks you dropped too many Xboxes... and a couple landed on your head. The only thing I went ga ga about over the Xbox on was the games.

I've never been a tech-head; and of all the people here I'm probably the least into graphics. That the Wii looks last-gen compared to the 360 and PS3... that is a knock that I do not make against the system, and it something you will never hear me talk about.

Now, going back to the Xbox: I was a big fan of the fact that it had a network adapter out of the box(!); that you didn't have to buy a "multi-tap" in order to hook up more than two controllers(!); and most of all I was a big fan of the harddrive - mostly because it meant that I didn't have to diek around with memory cards(!). Those are things that I indeed brought up time and time again. I personally wouldn't call those things "tech" - I'd call them "features" - but if you want to call them "tech", well then... I guess I did go ga ga last-gen.

But you can also now understand why I'm not going go ga ga over the PS3. The only discernable and differentiating features it has are the blu-ray drive, and the fact that it's wi-fi out of the box. Big fracking whoop! These things are mere fluff and have no meaningful, practical application.

The Xbox Live service; the superior controller; rumble; the wireless options - for both the accessories and the console itself; Achievements and GamerScore... these are the features that matter to me. No hypocrisy here; I'm where I was last-gen: supporting the better system.


And oh yeah, that bs about MS 'abondoning the Xbox prematurely'... that's the stupidest fracking $h!t ever purported on this website. Maybe even the whole internet. Get some perspective; use your fracking head, eh!

[Gadfly2317]

^---- The post Gadfly never submitted. (Don't worry, I got his back. :thumbsup: )

What happened Gad? Let me guess: Your Submit Reply button was glitchy back then and would only work some of the time. Yeah? :rolleyes:

No, I posted a lot last gen. . . early on a LOT of Ps2 bashing for being technically inferior and for having what I considered a lot of crappy games early in its life. I was rabid, Gamecube loving freak. When I moved on beyond the Gamecube I got the Xbox first instead of the Ps2, for all the reasons DTM listed, I liked the control, the harddrive, the custom soundtracks, and at the point I bought it there were a number of games I wanted more on Xbox than on the Ps2.

The Ps2 ENDED the generation being my fave over the Xbox, because ultimately, the games. And I felt the Xbox TRIED to branch out around the time I bought it, but that fizzed, and in the end just felt like a partial birth abortion of a console. But I would have rather had the better system be the dominant one (Xbox over Ps2), and Ps3 is definitely a better console in MANY respects over the 360 and I'd like to see it take the global lead and get the best developer support (which it currently doesn't seem to).

This gen may end with me singing the praises of the 360 if they ever really fix the RRoD, but right now I'm happy with the Wii, the Ps3, the handhelds, and the 360's best stuff is still FPS's--a genre where only a few titles really interest me, and won't really appeal to me that much until Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, and Culdcept Saga (current games that interest me are Forza 2, Viva Pinata and Bioshock.)

[trebor]

Honestly, I don't think the Spider-Man movies are worth owning, either in regular DVD or Blu-Ray format.

Hey now, let's not start talking crazy here...

[slade]

In the end, I really don't care about your half hearted justifications.

[Dancer O_o]

5) Halo Wars will be the break-out RTS for consoles.

Anyone NOT watching on a 1080p television and running at the more common 720p will see little to NO difference, much as I have with my current set. Recent movies I have eschewed the "high-def" format for standard DVD purchases includes Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Blade Runner, Spider-Man 3, Pirates of the Caribbean-World's End, Resident Evil Extinction and 28 Weeks Later. Not only are these films a full $10 cheaper on average then their high-def counterparts, I don't see enough of a difference to warrant the price. And apparently, neither does the world at large or their wallets.

Without a K&M I have doubts as to whether Halo Wars will be all that successful. I played the C&C demo and liked the graphics just fine, but hated the controls with a 360 controller and decided to wait until I have a PC powerful enough in the dark side to push it.

Now that I have a 1080P Samsung and have seen the power of Blu Ray in it's entirety I'm pretty sold on it...and apparently Warner Bros. is sold as well. I noticed that my regular old DVDs are up-res'd fairly well on the PS3...I could take either one frankly and be satisfied, at times I swear a DVD is almost high def., it seems to vary though from DVD to DVD, and some Blu Rays look a bit assy.

[silversparrow]

Now that I have a 1080P Samsung and have seen the power of Blu Ray in it's entirety I'm pretty sold on it...and apparently Warner Bros. is sold as well. I noticed that my regular old DVDs are up-res'd fairly well on the PS3...I could take either one frankly and be satisfied, at times I swear a DVD is almost high def., it seems to vary though from DVD to DVD, and some Blu Rays look a bit assy.

Older movies seem to benefit from HD more than newer ones, which usually have a pretty clean transfer on DVD anyway. With older movies though they go back and clean up all the dirt and grain that's accumulated on the print before doing the HD transfer. This makes a "night and day" difference on movies such as Blade Runner, Close Encounters, and 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[Mochan]

The last part of 2007 will be 360's peak numbers? How so? No exclusive system movers in 2008? How do you know-you have a crystal ball? You have your finger on the pulse of the game-buying world? Here is why 360 will continue to sell extremely well in '08.

Funny you seem to have a Crysal Ball just fine now don't you?




Just looking at the gameplay trailer of Halo Wars I can see how behind the graphics are, how awkward and slow the gameplay. Well, thanks for proving once again that console taste is so utterly assinine that you can be content with crap.


JE2 will be bleh. ME2 will probably be as bug-ridden as ME1, but will also do just as well, if not better. This is one of the few titles I think will make a real difference for Xbox 360 this year along with GOW2... if it comes out this year that is.

I also agree on your point #4 -- the simultaneous release of the 3 heavy hitters will probably stress the point that gamers don't need to get a Playstation 3 for these if they already have a 360. However, for those without a 360 yet there's no reason to think these people will get one for these games -- these games are traditionally Playstation and their followings are primarily going to be Playstation gamers.


Halo Wars will be the breakthrough? Are you saying that the console crowd has such poor taste that a crappy half-baked RTS like Halo Wars will be praised as God's Gift to Man? Just because it has a Space Janitor on its box? Well it could sell just on the name alone I guess.

I don't know about Bioshock 2 coming out this year though.

As for the HD wars I don't know if you need to have your eyes checked, there's a HUGE difference between even just 720p and DVD. The difference in quality is palpable.

[silversparrow]

JE2 will be bleh. ME2 will probably be as bug-ridden as ME1, but will also do just as well, if not better. This is one of the few titles I think will make a real difference for Xbox 360 this year along with GOW2... if it comes out this year that is.

Now that EA has Bioware on a tight leash, I wonder how this will reflect in the quality of Mass Effect's sequels. EA has a long history of imposing strict deadlines on their developers, forcing them to release incomplete or underwhelming products. This happened with Westwood, Bullfrog, and Origin. None of them are around anymore.

[Mochan]

Yes, Bioware is going to become crappier and Mass Effect 2 is likely to be even buggier than ME1 -- especially if the game comes out in 2008. You can also kiss your ass goodbye on ME2 becoming more innovative or wider in scope or any of that -- EA likes to stifle creativity just like they did with Origin and Bullfrog especially. They don't approve of lofty ideals in game design.