Devil May Cry 4 - PS3 vs 360 Trailer

[Glockstar]

Click on the link to see the differences:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29150.html

But for those of you too lazy, or disinterested, to watch it, I'm sure thelastword will tell you what they are.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

There were some parts where both versions looked the same, and there were some parts where the 360 version looked......clearer, or cleaner than the PS3 version.

My biggest thing between the two versions is how long it will take for the PS3 version to install files (according to Gamestop's latest hands-on preview, posted here (http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?p=113820#post113820) in the PS3 forum. If it's not to long and the files aren't too big in the retail version, then I'll stick with the PS3 DMC 4.

[slade]

The install process on PS3 will take at least 45 minutes. During that time, reportedly, you get a recap of the whole series via video.

Anyway, concerning that comparison, it was encoded poorly. GAF went through this whole comparison process last week. There's minor tearing on the 360 side. I still haven't been able to actively spot it but then again, with the screens switching so quickly, it's hard to see. There's more artifacting in the PS3 version. You can see that especially when they do the side by side of Gloria. Her face is clearer on the 360 side. The ice on the Frosts looks shinier and actually like Ice on the PS3 while on the 360, it just looks like a plain white color. The textures in certain places like the hilt of Nero's sword also appear to be clearer on 360 but it's up in the air whether or not that's an actual difference or just poor encoding.

Anyway, I'll be getting the PS3 version.

[ilnadmy]

I don't know if it was just me, but I thought the particle effects when he's swinging his sword and hitting enemies looks better on the PS3. I could be just seeing stuff though.

[Cuddly Knife]

I wonder what kind of achievements will be on the 360 version, and if the PS3 version will have something similar(looks like we can not hope for some Home Trophies:()

Like slade, I will probably go with the PS3 version. It feels more at home there, controller-wise. Normal Edition. No SE for me.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

God is this what we've come to? Seriously does it even matter they're the Fvcking Same!

[thelastword]

Well one of the issues I've had with prior previews and gameplay videos of DMC4, were the constant loading screens, any area you entered the game stopped and loaded, no matter how small, that actually seemed a bit non-immersive to me and quite jarring, especially in light of titles like; Uncharted, Ratchet and of course Haze in the new year.

So when I heard that these load times would be cut down significantly, via an hdd install, I was pleased, it was certainly too constant imo. Too bad for the 360 arcade unit however, with it's HDD-lessness.

So far that feature has only been announced for the PS3 version. I remember saying here, that the lowerpriced 360 sku actually gimps next gen gaming, as opposed to the lower priced PS3 system, which does everything my 60 can. In this case though, I think 360 owners with an HDD won't get the feature anyway, why would Microsoft allow one set of 360 owners to enjoy a superior experience with the same game, it's not a good image, it really shouldn't matter which 360 machine I have, it should all be the same. This is MS though, they've got a knack for alienating their customers anyway, I mean if these guys could only allow GOLD members to access the burnout demo, there's not much else they wouldn't do. Is there one PS3 owner who was denied access to that demo on the very free PSN? Equality across the board, is what I'm saying.......

[thelastword]

As for further differences in these versions, as Slade said, tearing has already been noted and screenshotted on the 360 version, there's also some slowdown there as well. The enemies, at this moment, (the frosts) have less detail on the 360 version, but it's very close.

What about gamespot though? are they trying to make the 45 minute hdd install a bad thing? these guys are ridiculous. A once in a lifetime install that actually gives you a more seamless experience is a bad thing, it's a niggle? There have been so many other games with HDD installs and we heard no bickering, NG-SIGMA, RR7 etc...I mean, this new gen have really shown what gaming journalism has turned to, it's like so many people were just waiting in arms to take a jab at the SONY machine. What I've heard and seen from these guys (gaming journalists) is just plain baffling, some of these guys have absolutely no integrity (the whole gamespot affair with gertsmann, several 1up journos getting gifts and jobs from/at MS) and their ignorance, yes their ignorance on basic things just reeks.

When you tell me that gametrailers don't know about the RGB limited/full settings in the PS3 control panel, and reviews games without any knowledge of all the game's mechanics why I should take these guys seriously. In the Gametrailers Uncharted review, they state that there was only one melee move and basically spoiled the hell out of the game to anyone who had not played.

I've seen quite a few irregularities and inconsistencies in gaming journalism this gen, 1up taking a point off warhawk because it was $40, to them it should have been $30, that policy was certainly inexistent when they reviewed shadowrun on the 360 at $60. I tell you though, it's a good thing that with the current gaming setup, gamers can sample games for themselves and make their own decisions, make their very own comparisons, challenge reviewers who get things so very wrong and point out their inconsistencies. Reviewers, who apparently don't even play through games before they judge it. I think MS's underhand practices as in moneyhatting and bribes have stimulated a wrong focus in journalism and reporting and general standard, has suffered tremendously for it, this gen.

[Glockstar]

You're all fracking seeing things! They look the exact fracking same!

[slade]

Concerning the Harddrive Install times and such, Christian Svenson over at the Capcom USA forums clarified some things recently:

1) The install time for the PS3 is exactly just shy of 21 minutes. And yes, there is a recap of the DMC games with cutscenes and text. So it's not just a review build thing.

2) THERE IS NO Xbox 360 HDD install, however -- the game does cache data. So the load times are (naturally) faster than without it.

If caching on the 360 is faster than a PS3 HDD install when it comes to loading, well...I don't know. But it's been confirmed that DMC4 does utilize the 360 HDD, it just doesn't do a full install but people have said that MS won't let devs do that regardless.

Also, there is some new footage that shows Nero's Devil Trigger in motion.

There seems to be 6 difficulty settings. Mission select is obviously back, and you're ranked on mission clear time, stylish rank, and orbs attained.

It seems they eliminated requirements on ranking dependent on items used or not.

PS: He also (once again) mentioned that this time around, DMC4 PC will be done by the same internal team doing the console versions. It will not be outsourced like DMC3, RE4, Onimusha were.

[thelastword]

Just as I expected, in relation to the "no hdd intallation for the xbox 360", and what do you know, an even lower hdd install time for the PS3 version.

[Mochan]

45 minutes?! WTF?! I just installed the entire Sims 2 series (main game + like a dozen expansion packs) in under 20 minutes. Maybe faster. That was like 12 different disks! How the **** is DMC taking 45 minutes?! Weak sauce, Sony, weak sauce.

[slade]

Read my second post. I read that it was 45 minutes because someone on 1up's podcast said it.

[Mochan]

1) The install time for the PS3 is exactly just shy of 21 minutes. And yes, there is a recap of the DMC games with cutscenes and text. So it's not just a review build thing.

If caching on the 360 is faster than a PS3 HDD install when it comes to loading, well...I don't know. But it's been confirmed that DMC4 does utilize the 360 HDD, it just doesn't do a full install but people have said that MS won't let devs do that regardless.

PS: He also (once again) mentioned that this time around, DMC4 PC will be done by the same internal team doing the console versions. It will not be outsourced like DMC3, RE4, Onimusha were.

Ah that is more like it, though I still feel a 20 minute install for a console game is nuts. The PS3 really is turning out to be a PC.

I think the PC version of DMC4 will turn out just fine, Lost Planet came out alright it's all good as long as they don't outsource the development to crap developers like SourceNext.

[Cuddly Knife]

It's dumb that the PS3 has to "install" anything other than system updates.

And word, you make it seem like having this is gonna make it better than the 360 version. I think they're doing this just to try and keep even with 360 loading. Hell, Ninja Gaiden Sigma had to install, and that game still had worse load times than the XBOX version, plus having loading happen where there never used to be any before. Is it because of Blue-Ray?

[slade]

Sigma had worse load times on PS3? I didn't notice much difference. In Sigma and Black, despite the install or cache to HD, there was the odd loading screens right in the middle of a level. The only part where it actually seemed to lag a bit more then the Xbox version was when they were doing the rankings.

Anyway, I don't like the install option either. It's way too PC like.

Also, I wonder whether the 360 will have that 'history of DMC' vid.

[thelastword]

It's dumb that the PS3 has to "install" anything other than system updates.

And word, you make it seem like having this is gonna make it better than the 360 version. I think they're doing this just to try and keep even with 360 loading. Hell, Ninja Gaiden Sigma had to install, and that game still had worse load times than the XBOX version, plus having loading happen where there never used to be any before. Is it because of Blue-Ray?I don't think so Knife, the only way a 360 game is going to be faster off a disc is if it's a single layered DVD. Do you know of any game on the 360 not using a DVD9? This brings us to the fact that a DVD9 is doublelayered and is not faster than a singlelayered bluray at accessing data. So using the HDD simply allows you better load times than the DVD9 or bluray disc would allow, just like when you dump your PS2 games on a gigantic HD via HDLOADER, it's just an added benefit of having an HDD as standard.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

You're a fracking maniac. The Blu ray loads slower that's why you have installs of console games and you have devs like Insomniac and Bethesda who add a bunch of reaping code on the Disc for faster load times.

[Mochan]

It's dumb that the PS3 has to "install" anything other than system updates.

Not just system updates -- patches are becoming commonplace on the 360 though fortunately for Xbots to my understanding the patching is a more or less transparent process thus far. It's fortunate that the 360 hasn't gone down the deep end yet with 1GB patches like some PC games do.

Downloadable content I would also consider as "installing."

[Cuddly Knife]

Not just system updates -- patches are becoming commonplace on the 360 though fortunately for Xbots to my understanding the patching is a more or less transparent process thus far. It's fortunate that the 360 hasn't gone down the deep end yet with 1GB patches like some PC games do.

Downloadable content I would also consider as "installing."
Every once in a while when I put on a game, it has to "update". I"m guessing this is a patch for something? Like the other day, it updated Frogger, but in the game I didn't notice anything.

And it's still different on the PS3. You DL something, then you have to install it. Once it Dls on the 360, it's there to be played. DLC or Live Arcade games.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I downloaded the free Holiday Folklore pack, and still had to install it.

[Glockstar]

Also, I wonder whether the 360 will have that 'history of DMC' vid.

If any version should have it it's the 360. Seeing as how no Xbox system has ever had a DMC game on it.

It would be really cool if they did it like Shenmue II (and Halo 3 SE): make a special second movie-like disc recapping everything that's transpired thus far.

[slade]

I was going to say that but then I wondered, really, will anybody actually need this feature. There was only one DMC game with any real story behind it and what happened after that game is a footnote at best. Also, chances are if you are getting DMC4, you've probably put some time into the previous games.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

There was only one DMC game with any real story behind it and what happened after that game is a footnote at best.

That's true, and even then I didn't think that story was very interesting.

[slade]

I found it to be one of the best story's in any action game. Only Onimusha 4's story was better.

[Cuddly Knife]

You guys talking about DMC3? Hell yeah, the story for that game ruled.

Onimusha 4, huh? I still haven't played that one. Part three just kind of bummed me out. Jean Reno action was lame. So was using the girl with a machine gun. That is Onimusha 3, right? One of the coolest and nicest-looking FMV ever.

[slade]

Yeah, that's Onimusha 3 all right. The story for that game was one of the worse because of all that drama BS between Jean Reno and his son and his girlfriend. Onimusha 4's story brought the events of all three previous Onimusha's to a satisfying finish. You've definately gotta play that game Cuddly, if only for the story alone. Also, play Godhand, it's one of the better action games for the PS2.

[Mochan]

Onimusha 3 was the worst by far of the entire series in my book. I can't stand Frenchie.

[Mochan]

Every once in a while when I put on a game, it has to "update". I"m guessing this is a patch for something? Like the other day, it updated Frogger, but in the game I didn't notice anything.

And it's still different on the PS3. You DL something, then you have to install it. Once it Dls on the 360, it's there to be played. DLC or Live Arcade games.

I would assume that's a patch being installed. When installing patches, unless it's a major patch you usually don't notice anything. Even then, much of what changes is "under the hood" so to speak so you still likely won't notice much. Patches are usually to improve stability and get rid of some odd bugs that made it past the QA process, in console games these usually aren't major problems so patches shouldn't even be necessary, though as we have seen these days that is not the case.

Patches also sometimes improve performance, something which I guess Mass Effect needs. Patches can also modify game balance -- especially true in multiplayer games -- like lowering the damage of a particular gun etc. etc. to make the playfield more balanced. These aren't noticeable to casual players but to people playing a game ad nauseam in frag withdrawal they tend to pick up on it.

Anyway as I said on the 360 the patching is pretty transparent -- you open up the game, it says "installing" or whatever and you wait for a bit and it's done. On the PS3 it's more like a PC -- download and install --- though PC games today usually also have auto-updates if you so desire to do it that way (I usually don't -- I like to download the patch and burn it onto a CD so that the next time I install the game I don't have to download everything all over again) -- why the PS3 can't do this I do not know, that makes it the most primitive of all the systems in this regard. The Wii -- basically doesn't need patches. 360 - auto patching. PC - choice between auto-patching or downloading. PS3 - downloading.

[NEO-360]

God is this what we've come to? Seriously does it even matter they're the Fvcking Same!

They are the same game? Yes. Will it look and run the same on both consoles? That is the million dollar question. Madden ran at 30 fps on the PS3. And the same game ran at 60 fps on the 360. Advantage:360. VF5 came out first on the PS3. Looked great but wasnt online playable. Months later same game came out for the 360. Look better and was playable on Xbox live.Advantage:360. This time around it may be the same.

For all we know DMC4 may look smoother on the PS3 but run alot faster on the Xbox 360. So whether overall it remains to be the same Fvcking game is still up in the air for the time being. I'll be picking up the 360 version of course.:cool: