Gamecube # 2 Worldwide...

[trebor]

See Glocky? I told you so. I new you were filled to the brim with BS lies and false information.


GameCube:World Wide Sale Figures
The Gamecube is still ahead of the Xbox.
According to the BBC, these are the currect and most up-to-date world wide console sale figures.

PlayStation 2 - 51,200,000
GameCube - 9,550,000
Xbox - 9,400,000

The recent price cut around the world should keep the GC in second place.

Source: Gamecube Network
Author: Bishman


http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=1852

It's a small lead, granted, but with the $99 pricepoint the Cube will start distancing itself from the Xbox more and more.

Oh yeah, apparantly, it seems that Japan is single-handedly keeping the Xbox from being the # 2 best selling console in the world. Judging from the 150,000 worldwide lead the Cube has over the Xbox.

See? Japan DOES count.

[Gadfly2317]

<div class=\"smallfont\">See Glocky? I told you so. I new you were filled to the brim with BS lies and false information.



http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=1852

It's a small lead, granted, but with the $99 pricepoint the Cube will start distancing itself from the Xbox more and more.</div>


Damn, that's more neck and neck than the Gore/Bush election.

Cynics can mock all they want about a "silly" Kart Racer being a killer App, but there's little doubt in my mind that Mario Kart and the $99 price will continue to widen the gap between Nintendo and Xbox.

It wasn't Zelda or Metroid or Metal Gear Solid that were my most anticipated sequels of this generation. It has always been Mario Kart. . . the thing I've been waiting for since I bought my 'cube. The next few weeks of waiting will undoubtedly be torture.

[trebor]

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Damn, that's more neck and neck than the Gore/Bush election.

Cynics can mock all they want about a &quot;silly&quot; Kart Racer being a killer App, but there's little doubt in my mind that Mario Kart and the $99 price will continue to widen the gap between Nintendo and Xbox.

It wasn't Zelda or Metroid or Metal Gear Solid that were my most anticipated sequels of this generation. It has always been Mario Kart. . . the thing I've been waiting for since I bought my 'cube. The next few weeks of waiting will undoubtedly be torture.</div>

Agreed. Mario Kart was one of the 3 reasons I went with the Cube over the Xbox. I already have my pre-order ready to go.

So just 3 more weeks...

[Cuddly Knife]

Mario Kart, eh? I don't know if that'll be as good of a system seller as you guys are making it out to be. I know I didn't pick up my Cube to play it(although now that I've read up on it, it does look neat), so maybe there are more out there like me that wouldn't feel the need to get a Cube for this game. Maybe more people who gamed on the 64 will want this one, but I gamed mainly on the PS1. I think that Metal Gear Solid will make more people pick up a Cube than Mario Kart.

[no.1gamer]

I usually don't get into the whole sales #s debate, however I want to throw my 2 cents in this one.

The Gamecube was originally criticized for "not playing DVDs!" The GCN doesn't have a hard drive or packaged in broadband modem. Well you can knock the Cube all you want but @ $99 the Gamecube is one hell of a deal! IMO the price advantage the GCN has over the PS2 and Xbox far outweighs any bells and whistles M$ and $ony attach to their product.

[mass]

See Glocky? I told you so. I new you were filled to the brim with BS lies and false information.



http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&amp;news_id=1852

It's a small lead, granted, but with the $99 pricepoint the Cube will start distancing itself from the Xbox more and more.

Oh yeah, apparantly, it seems that Japan is single-handedly keeping the Xbox from being the # 2 best selling console in the world. Judging from the 150,000 worldwide lead the Cube has over the Xbox.

See? Japan DOES count.

Try posting something that doesn't have horribly out-of-date info. I've seen those particular figures months ago. :rolleyes:

Regionally, it goes like this, gamecube is third in both North America and Europe. And I got news for the terminally blinded nintendo fans, for North American and European software developers, Japan doesn't count. They either don't sell there at all, or sell in such small quantities, that it doesn't affect their sales materially.

Oh, and those cube sales in Japan have tailed off as well. Sales for the last two weeks have averaged about 9,000 units per week. So basically, you can put away the nintendo rally towel.

This whole hardware installed base thing is only meaningful in how it impacts sales overall and decisions by third parties to support or not support a particular platform. The particular buying demographics of gamecube owners vs xbox owners is more important than the actual installed bases.

Ask Sega how they feel about Billy Hatcher's dismal sales compared to the sales they were able to achieve with the two mediocre sonic dc ports. Ask whether Sega is going to bother to launch another original franchies on the cube exclusively. Even now, rumors abound concerning VJ going to the ps2, because contrary to popular opinion, Capcom is not pleased with the sales of VJ on the cube.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

This board is either full of PS2 fanboys acting like snobs because of the sales lead or full of Cubites who grasp for everything they can because they have been permanently disfigured by the poor design of the GC controller.

[trebor]

Try posting something that doesn't have horribly out-of-date info. I've seen those particular figures months ago. :rolleyes:

Try posting something that isn't the typical "Massimodo's disdain and utter contempt for anything and everything Nintendo" :rolleyes:

Regionally, it goes like this, gamecube is third in both North America and Europe. And I got news for the terminally blinded nintendo fans, for North American and European software developers, Japan doesn't count. They either don't sell there at all, or sell in such small quantities, that it doesn't affect their sales materially.

Hmmm...yet Japan is the sole reason why the Xbox isn't a firm # 2 worldwide. Hmmm...

Oh, and those cube sales in Japan have tailed off as well. Sales for the last two weeks have averaged about 9,000 units per week. So basically, you can put away the nintendo rally towel.

I haven't seen Japanese hardware sales lately, so how about some proof with your pudding.

This whole hardware installed base thing is only meaningful in how it impacts sales overall and decisions by third parties to support or not support a particular platform. The particular buying demographics of gamecube owners vs xbox owners is more important than the actual installed bases.

We'll see if and when the Xbox overtakes the Cube in worldwide sales if you still don't think the installed base matters.

Ask Sega how they feel about Billy Hatcher's dismal sales compared to the sales they were able to achieve with the two mediocre sonic dc ports. Ask whether Sega is going to bother to launch another original franchies on the cube exclusively. Even now, rumors abound concerning VJ going to the ps2, because contrary to popular opinion, Capcom is not pleased with the sales of VJ on the cube.

Hmmm...why don't you ask Sega if they will release anything on the Xbox in the future, based on how poorly Sega sells on that platform.

Oh, and that whole "Capcom is not pleased with the sales of VJ on the Cube" statement is old news, which, by the way, was around before VJ was released in NA.

[trebor]

This board is either full of PS2 fanboys acting like snobs because of the sales lead or full of Cubites who grasp for everything they can because they have been permanently disfigured by the poor design of the GC controller.

Your forgetting moronic Xboyz who will buy anything as long as it contains (A.) a high level of blood and gore, (B.) T&A and (C.) a first-person perspective.

[Angel, Forsaken]

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Hmmm...why don't you ask Sega if they will release anything on the Xbox in the future, based on how poorly Sega sells on that platform.

Oh, and that whole "Capcom is not pleased with the sales of VJ on the Cube" statement is old news, which, by the way, was around before VJ was released in NA.</div>Mass has love for Sega, but unfortuantely few other Xbox fans do. PDO is Sega's biggest flop of the year.

[mass]

Sheesh, Trebore, gc fanboy supreme, lecturing others on fanboyism. Get over it, your news is old, it's ancient, those figures are nowhere near current. You get lobotomized recently or something. We were arguing those figures ages ago. Sales figures for japan, you can find at www.the-magicbox.com.

Frickin' cube owners and this we're no. 2, like any of that's impressing the third parties who are cutting gamecube titles from their release list. Maybe the guys at Atari are real slow, and haven't noticed the cube's no. 2 worldwide position and they'll scrap the xbox version of Driver 3 and move development over to the cube. I mean, if this "no. 2" worldwide ranking was meaningful at all, shouldn't they be doing that. Maybe Rockstar will realize the error of their ways and bring over titles to the cube, such as GTA, Max Payne, Mafia, etc.

No. 2 worldwide is less meaningful, than where you're at regionally. You want the bragging rights to worlwide no. 2 position, have it, who cares. Here, have you're cookie, the gc is no. 2!! Yippee!! Let's all do frickin' cartwheels. :o

[Gaming Geezer 78]

See Glocky? I told you so. I new you were filled to the brim with BS lies and false information.



http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=1852

It's a small lead, granted, but with the $99 pricepoint the Cube will start distancing itself from the Xbox more and more.

Oh yeah, apparantly, it seems that Japan is single-handedly keeping the Xbox from being the # 2 best selling console in the world. Judging from the 150,000 worldwide lead the Cube has over the Xbox.

See? Japan DOES count.

It's all good. But these sales numbers don't take into account all retailers. Neither does NPD's data. So it could go either way. Nintendo may be ahead or Microsoft may be ahead. With a mere difference of 150,000 units, does it really matter?

Even with Gamecube's $99 price cut in the US, sales still couldn't topple Xbox sales. Here's the NPD figures, courtesy of Slade and current as of September 2003.

PS2: 334,000 [+15% over August sales]
Xbox: 172,000 [+18%]
GCN: 165,000 [+64%]
GBA: 410,000 [+11%]

Cumulative Installed Base

PS2: 19,139,000
Xbox: 6,002,000
GCN: 4,695,000
GBA: 15,909,000


Even with only a 18% gain in sales compared to Gamecube's 64% gain, Xbox still outsold Gamecube by 7,000 units. Xbox currently leads over Gamecube in America by 1,307,000 units. Xbox also leads over Gamecube in European sales.

Microsoft just launched a new Xbox bundle with Halo and MechAssault in Europe and there are a ton of great titles being released for the Xbox right now while Gamecube is lingering.

It will be interesting to see who comes out on top for holiday sales. But like I said, the race for #2 is so close it's uncanny. :eek:

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">See Glocky? I told you so. I new you were filled to the brim with BS lies and false information.



http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=1852

It's a small lead, granted, but with the $99 pricepoint the Cube will start distancing itself from the Xbox more and more.

Oh yeah, apparantly, it seems that Japan is single-handedly keeping the Xbox from being the # 2 best selling console in the world. Judging from the 150,000 worldwide lead the Cube has over the Xbox.

See? Japan DOES count.</div>

Well...

... okay first off, I've got to give you credit kid... you keep trying.
And, you're showing some real improvement too! Look at you... you got us a link and everything!

It's just, uh, too bad that...
1) those numbers are way, WAY old; and
2) the source is suspect.

Among other tells, that news article shows the PS2 at "only" 51.2 million... it's now "old" news that the PS2 has crossed the 60+ million mark.

The other, more important, "tell" is also the one that you prolly won't believe - seeing as how you think I'm full of nothing but lies... and that's that I've seen this post before, myself. It's old.

How old? Well, those GC and XB sales numbers look an awful lot like the ones from around E3/May. And the peculiar thing about those "E3" figures is that while the old N said one thing, M$ said another. Who you gonna believe?

(And gawd... the fanboys on that site, and their... uh... "keen" comments... *raaalph*)

C'mon now.

[Zilla Man]

You guys can post all you want about the Cube being #2 but the facts are:

1) Despite the price drop, the temporary boost in hardware sales fell way below Nintendo's expectations. There's still an overstock in their warehouses. Just walk into any EB and talk to the sales people there.

2) Third party titles are dropping from the Cube at an increasing rate. And don't speak to me about Capcom and RE4! This was a project that was started waaaay back when they thought the RE series was going to boost Cube sales. I'm talking recent stuff here.

3) Nintendo's so disappointed themselves with overall Cube sales, George Harrison's sworn that they're going to be first out of the gate with a new system. Way to support your loyal customers Nintendo! And given Nintendo's past proprietary BS excuses, it most likely will NOT be backwards compatible.

Since Sony and M$ systems are due in 2006, that means Nintendo's will roll out in 2005. The game publishers realize this and will probably stop development even more.

You guys can rant all you want about Mario 128, the next Zelda, Metroid, and such (titles that I'm actually curious about). But the fact is that the majority of people who want to play these games already have a Cube! That's why systems aren't moving - Nintendo refuses to acknowledge this.

My prediction:

Despite good sales of Mario DD, the big N will take a beating over the holidays and the first quarter of 2004.

[Jupiter_x]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Your forgetting moronic Xboyz who will buy anything as long as it contains (A.) a high level of blood and gore, (B.) T&A and (C.) a first-person perspective.</div>

I agree with you! However think about this:

T&A?......Yeah! What was the big hype over that stupid DOA volleyball anyway?
How pathetic!
GameCube and Ps2 had some of thier top flagship games during that time: Zelda WW, Metroid Prime, Ratchet&Clank, Zenosaga etc. While Xbox had crud like DOA vollyball....oh yeah and uh....Metal dungeon...oh yeah and Night caster 2....LOL!

First person perspective? Please tell me what FPS games (Halo aside) does Xbox truly have that the other systems do not?...NightFire, Agent under fire, Turok, Red Faction 2, and even Mace Griffen are on other systems...hmmmmm...If anything the PC has and will continue to have FAR MORE fps games than Xbox or any other console for that matter, as well as some that never have nor ever will be concieved on consoles!

Blood and Gore? Xbox really does not have anymore of this than the PS2 does, The PC has some older titles like Blood and Blood 2, Kingpin, Sin, Avenging angel with some extreme gore...(if that's your thing!), and these are only the FPS games!

Gamecube and PS2 rule!

[Twelve]

Well, if you read the first sentence of this VERY recent CNN.com international article, it says something different:

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/10/22/hln.game.handhelds/index.html

Looks like Nintendo is in 3rd place.


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[slade]

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Even with Gamecube's $99 price cut in the US, sales still couldn't topple Xbox sales. Here's the NPD figures, courtesy of Slade and current as of September 2003.

PS2: 334,000 [+15% over August sales]
Xbox: 172,000 [+18%]
GCN: 165,000 [+64%]
GBA: 410,000 [+11%]

Cumulative Installed Base

PS2: 19,139,000
Xbox: 6,002,000
GCN: 4,695,000
GBA: 15,909,000
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When exactly did GC drop to 99 dollars. Wasn't it during the last week of September? Which sort of explains how close they are to X-box sales. It will be more interesting to see how the GC does in October and whether it can keep up the pace.

[trebor]

Sheesh, Trebore, gc fanboy supreme, lecturing others on fanboyism. Get over it, your news is old, it's ancient, those figures are nowhere near current. You get lobotomized recently or something. We were arguing those figures ages ago. Sales figures for japan, you can find at www.the-magicbox.com.

Well, gee, Silly Wabbit, here are the Japan sales figures right here...


Hardware

1. Nintendo Game Boy Advance SP (31,600)
2. Sony PlayStation 2 (26,900)
3. Nintendo GameCube (11,100)
4. Nintendo Game Boy Advance (6,300)
5. Sony Playstation (650)
6. Microsoft Xbox (440)
7. Bandai WonderSwan (420)

http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=1864


Hmmm...didn't you proclaim that the Cube was selling a mere 9000 units a week? Yup, you did. Guess you are wrong. Again. Yet again, that is. I see the Xbox has sold an impressive 440 units. Too bad Japan doesn't count.

Frickin' cube owners and this we're no. 2, like any of that's impressing the third parties who are cutting gamecube titles from their release list. Maybe the guys at Atari are real slow, and haven't noticed the cube's no. 2 worldwide position and they'll scrap the xbox version of Driver 3 and move development over to the cube. I mean, if this "no. 2" worldwide ranking was meaningful at all, shouldn't they be doing that. Maybe Rockstar will realize the error of their ways and bring over titles to the cube, such as GTA, Max Payne, Mafia, etc.

Sorry, but, a larger installed user base directly translates into more 3rd party support. Why do you think the PS2 has the lion's share of 3rd party titles? Because Sony is a nice company with lot's of great chums working there?

No. 2 worldwide is less meaningful, than where you're at regionally. You want the bragging rights to worlwide no. 2 position, have it, who cares. Here, have you're cookie, the gc is no. 2!! Yippee!! Let's all do frickin' cartwheels. :o

Hey thanks! I love cookies.

[trebor]

Well...

... okay first off, I've got to give you credit kid... you keep trying.
And, you're showing some real improvement too! Look at you... you got us a link and everything!

Yeah. You could learn a thing or two from me, "kid".


It's just, uh, too bad that...
1) those numbers are way, WAY old; and
2) the source is suspect.

Here is another article...

http://www.gamecubenetwork.com/cube.news?3753


World Wide Sale Figures! - Charts
Posted by: Danny_Smith at 10:31 AM on 10-25-2003
According to the BBC, these are the correct and most up-to-date world wide console sale figures

PlayStation 2 - 51,200,000
GameCube - 9,550,000
XBOX - 9,400,000

Of course GameCube's second place will be strengthened due to the recent world wide price cuts


So...you think the BBC is misleading us all, now do you? Well that might be, but I'm inclined to trust the BBC more then most news sources.


Among other tells, that news article shows the PS2 at "only" 51.2 million... it's now "old" news that the PS2 has crossed the 60+ million mark.

The other, more important, "tell" is also the one that you prolly won't believe - seeing as how you think I'm full of nothing but lies... and that's that I've seen this post before, myself. It's old.

How old? Well, those GC and XB sales numbers look an awful lot like the ones from around E3/May. And the peculiar thing about those "E3" figures is that while the old N said one thing, M$ said another. Who you gonna believe?

Well, that all might be true. But can't you, for one second, admit the possibility that these sales numbers are currently accurate. Maybe, just maybe, the previous numbers you read were incorrect?


(And gawd... the fanboys on that site, and their... uh... "keen" comments... *raaalph*)

C'mon now.

Hey...I didn't make that site. But I do like going to it - they have better news then most of the Gamecube specific websites out there on the web.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Here is another article...

http://www.gamecubenetwork.com/cube.news?3753



So...you think the BBC is misleading us all, now do you? Well that might be, but I'm inclined to trust the BBC more then most news sources.



Well, that all might be true. But can't you, for one second, admit the possibility that these sales numbers are currently accurate. Maybe, just maybe, the previous numbers you read were incorrect?
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No, I don't have a problem with the BBC.
But, I do have a problem that Danny Smith guy. The shmuck is posting OLD news as if was today's!

No I'm not going to admit that "there's a possibility". Because I trust the other sources a lot more than I do Danny Smith. See, I'm not disputing whether those numbers correct or not - well, not exactly - I'm disputing whether they're relevant, anymore. I have seen those numbers before! They're ancient!

I suppose I could pretend that they're the correct indicator of where the consoles stand today... if you really want me too. But pretending doesn't really change reality, does it?

Quit trying to deny it, trebor.
The truth is out there! You have been supplied the most current sales numbers, from each of the three different markets, over the past week or so here (from slade, from thug, and from mass)... now it's time to break out your calculator and add things up, for yourself.

And then... move on.
There's nothing to brag about here, either way.

[Allisen1987]

GO MARIO KART!!!! WOO HOO. I LOVE MY CUBE! Kisses.

Alli

[trebor]

La la la la la la la (holding hands over ears)


Proof is proof. I provided the best there has been over this subject. Find some other proof if mine is incorrect.


And then... move on.
There's nothing to brag about here, either way.

I'm not interested in bragging so much as I'm interested in proving you wrong.

You said something recently that I do agree with - bragging over a distant 2nd place is pretty stupid, given the reality of the console race.